How to fix the Big East

[superjohn]

Again, best team. Teams #2-5 rarely made the Elite 8, many cases didn't even reach the second weekend.

The point is winning national titles and the ACC and Big East are the best at it.

 

[ec33]

What you're describing is 100% against the rules going forward. This was the last year of unfettered NIL. That's over starting next year.

Keep holding to that.

 

[JwittersPAC]

What you're describing is 100% against the rules going forward. This was the last year of unfettered NIL. That's over starting next year.

Unfortunately the NCAA will get sued again and lose due to antitrust violations. The only solution is collective bargaining - like NFL and NBA. I believe only way that works is to make revenue sport players employees.

 

[UConnSwag11]

Do you realize how expensive it is to be competitive in football? Have you noticed that half the P4 isn't trying anymore?

They don’t have to. They won’t get kicked out of their conferences and they get the revenue regardless

 

[HuskyHawk]

Unfortunately the NCAA will get sued again and lose due to antitrust violations. The only solution is collective bargaining - like NFL and NBA. I believe only way that works is to make revenue sport players employees.

Nah. I think the courts got the O'Bannon case wrong, but they aren't likely to take this much further. There's no legitimate antitrust violation here. Trying to squeeze any more for players is going to kill the golden goose. NIL regulations will hold up. Kids like Paige Bueckers or Livvy Dunne will be able to make lots of money. Some unknown player won't.

The NIL case was pretty obvious, and was really triggered by social media earnings. Basically the NCAA can't tell a kid who can make money off of their name that they lose eligibility if they do. They can absolutely enforce rules against illegitimate payments to players.

 

[JwittersPAC]

Nah. I think the courts got the O'Bannon case wrong, but they aren't likely to take this much further. There's no legitimate antitrust violation here. Trying to squeeze any more for players is going to kill the golden goose. NIL regulations will hold up. Kids like Paige Bueckers or Livvy Dunne will be able to make lots of money. Some unknown player won't.

The NIL case was pretty obvious, and was really triggered by social media earnings. Basically the NCAA can't tell a kid who can make money off of their name that they lose eligibility if they do. They can absolutely enforce rules against illegitimate payments to players.

I disagree but we will see soon enough since state attorney generals have filed on behalf of their state colleges on any restrictions NCAA tries to force on their State colleges. You will see the same thing when the independent agency rules against an athlete that the payment he received was not “true” NIL. Here is Justice Kavanaugh thoughts on the matter.

Kavanaugh argued that “the NCAA's profit-generating, non-compete "labor" model is essentially price-fixing that suppresses pay for student-athletes who generate billions in revenue for colleges.”

I believe he will see this independent agency deciding what “true” NIL as price fixing as well.

The only way to end this is to get a collective bargaining agreement in place for Football and Basketball.

 

[HuskyHawk]

While I think this is partly a down year, I do think the SEC poses a new threat with their stable of coaches, huge fan bases and overall appeal. It's part of a larger trend of kids from the metro areas of the north heading to big schools in the south and midwest. Not just athletes. The other factor is that the best players of the peak Big East era were from NY, NJ, Philly, Chicago, Baltimore, LA, maybe North Carolina and Indiana. Now, look at where the top kids are from. Nate Ament is a good example, 20 years ago, there is no way he picks Tennessee over Georgetown or UVA or UNC. Now Georgetown doesn't even try. London Jemison is from Bloomfield and goes to Alabama. Football player at my daughter's former HS in MA is headed to Mississippi.

 

[JwittersPAC]

While I think this is partly a down year, I do think the SEC poses a new threat with their stable of coaches, huge fan bases and overall appeal. It's part of a larger trend of kids from the metro areas of the north heading to big schools in the south and midwest. Not just athletes. The other factor is that the best players of the peak Big East era were from NY, NJ, Philly, Chicago, Baltimore, LA, maybe North Carolina and Indiana. Now, look at where the top kids are from. Nate Ament is a good example, 20 years ago, there is no way he picks Tennessee over Georgetown or UVA or UNC. Now Georgetown doesn't even try. London Jemison is from Bloomfield and goes to Alabama. Football player at my daughter's former HS in MA is headed to Mississippi.

So what is the fix?

 

[RuffRuff]

While I think this is partly a down year, I do think the SEC poses a new threat with their stable of coaches, huge fan bases and overall appeal. It's part of a larger trend of kids from the metro areas of the north heading to big schools in the south and midwest. Not just athletes. The other factor is that the best players of the peak Big East era were from NY, NJ, Philly, Chicago, Baltimore, LA, maybe North Carolina and Indiana. Now, look at where the top kids are from. Nate Ament is a good example, 20 years ago, there is no way he picks Tennessee over Georgetown or UVA or UNC. Now Georgetown doesn't even try. London Jemison is from Bloomfield and goes to Alabama. Football player at my daughter's former HS in MA is headed to Mississippi.

Nailed it - these inner city kids are now going to academies and acclimating to a different environment that they like. There is an allure to the big cultures and climates of these big schools. And in the case of the SEC, it’s warmer too.

It’s partially why we can still get top kids, as a state flagship.

The issue is also about brand and draw. There is a different more commercial energy at the big schools. And with the draw of a state flagship mismatched with the BE, we need out. A best of both worlds could be this unlikely concept that K continues to discuss, where we head to the ACC with the top hoops brands in geo aligned locations (Nova, GT, StJ). Maybe we don’t get a full football share, but it’s better than the current.

There is way too much to fix in the BE. Maybe if they brought in a creative Yormack like commish, they could push and spin something.

 

[gtcam]

Without football, the NBE is going to be exactly that - the NBE.
Football costs money but brings in much more IF you have a winning team.
Fix that (Mora is doing it) and get into a power league.
The NBE is starting to lose that basketball luster and it will be difficult to get it back under present leadership and without football.

 

[bazzdog]

To me, this is a Butler and Seton Hall issue. If those two got back to what they were in the 2010s, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

And Butler isn’t all that bad
Lost a close one on road at SMU

 

[NJHusky]

They don’t have to. They won’t get kicked out of their conferences and they get the revenue regardless

And it makes it easier for the big boys since there is less competition

 

[B1GEast]

Just wait until the basketball TV contract is up for renewal. Things will get worse. The rich will get richer.

The tournament will most likely expand and the power conferences will get more teams in at higher seeds. That will most likely lead to a tiered unit structure that benefits them

The NCAA is poorly managed and needs congressional oversight in my opinion.

The football powers have highjacked college sports to meet their needs.

 

[Palatine]

The Big East is a basketball conference in a football world. What the BE needs is for the top football programs not to care about basketball. For a long time they didn't. That is changing as the football schools are now acting more businesslike. They see basketball as an opportunity for addition revenue for their athletic departments. They will increasing encroach on basketball almost as a new business venture.

There is no solution for this problem. It is Galactus, the Devourer of Worlds.

 

[HuskyHawk]

So what is the fix?

There is no fix. The urban private colleges are becoming less attractive generally, aside from the top schools. This is a good article about the demographic changes. Fewer students, more of the student pool coming from the south and southwest, more focus on STEM or business not liberal arts, more focus on cost. It talks about Connecticut, using New Canaan as an example. Yes, basketball players can ignore cost, but the appeal of the big public schools is still stronger. Georgetown and Villanova will be fine.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/u-s-colleges-are-about-to-see-a-big-decline-in-applications.html

 

[OceanDoggie]

Just wait until the basketball TV contract is up for renewal. Things will get worse. The rich will get richer.

The tournament will most likely expand and the power conferences will get more teams in at higher seeds. That will most likely lead to a tiered unit structure that benefits them

The NCAA is poorly managed and needs congressional oversight in my opinion.

The football powers have highjacked college sports to meet their needs.

Maybe not. The Networks are scraping for content and a reason to bleed Consumers dry with subscriptions. If Uconn leaves it might be a cause for concern, but unless the current administration plans to overhaul the FCC. and adds additional regulations, which has not been their M.O., there will be room to feed on a new deal

 

[nelsonmuntz]

They don’t have to. They won’t get kicked out of their conferences and they get the revenue regardless

The Big 10 is talking about unequal revenue sharing. So they may not get kicked out, but the may see their share decrease.

 

[B1GEast]

The Big 10 is talking about unequal revenue sharing. So they may not get kicked out, but the may see their share decrease.

Tiered conference revenue sharing is the new model for all conference.

What it will look like

Everyone gets a base amount

Funds are reserved for conference championships and some will be reserved for weighted viewership.

It's only fair that conferences reward programs that achieve success. That's the main reason for the FSU ACC lawsuit

 

[John]

Schools like Sacred Heart have absolutely blown up - that went from nothing to what looks like a city meets country club now, bought out the GE HQ, a golf course and anything they can get their hands on.

Sacred Heart High School? I'm talking about high schools here, not universities.

 

[ucp990411]

And Butler isn’t all that bad
Lost a close one on road at SMU

That makes them not bad?

 

[RuffRuff]

Sacred Heart High School? I'm talking about high schools here, not universities.

No, I'm talking about the university in Fairfield. I'm very much aware that the high school institutions are consolidating/shrinking. There may have just been too many of them.

 

[WrenchFan69]

That makes them not bad?

SMU is going to be decent this year. Not a terrible loss. Would have been a good win

 

[B1GEast]

Sacramento State has raised close to $50 million

SAC-12 continues to raise NIL funds for Sacramento State

The SAC-12 has raised over $50 million in NIL funds as their efforts to lift Sacramento State athletics to the FBS continue to gain steam.

sactownsports.com

 

[HooperScooper]

UConn got 3 or 4 , so did UNH and UMass, some at BC, Villanova, Marquette, Northeastern (including mine), BU etc. But the number of fairly well off private school kids in metro Boston heading to SEC and southern ACC schools is vastly different than it was a decade ago

There was an article in the Boston Globe recently about his.

‘Yo, you got to go’: Why more students from the Northeast are heading south for college​

 

[NJHusky]

Sure, my daughter went to one in suburban Boston. Two of her classmates (who I coached in basketball in elementary school) went to Auburn. Six went to Clemson. Three to Tennessee. Three to U South Carolina. Purdue, Alabama, Georgia Tech, WVU, Ole Miss and more. The best football player at that school right now is headed to Mississippi (Logan Mankins' son).

UConn got 3 or 4 , so did UNH and UMass, some at BC, Villanova, Marquette, Northeastern (including mine), BU etc. But the number of fairly well off private school kids in metro Boston heading to SEC and southern ACC schools is vastly different than it was a decade ago.

Same in our NJ hood....I see Alabama and TN flags...and some B1G flags too. I knew someone that went to a very good HS, had good grades and couldn't get into FSU! Only 1 Nova flag....that hasn't flown recently lol

Southern schools want the out of state tuition