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billybud said:
Strange bedfellows...

You know, VT was going to get screwed again by Miami and Shalala. Miami's price for coming into the ACC was naming a partner...and it was not VT.
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I think all your posts about VT including this one demonstrate that VT has had a hard time getting to where they have always wanted to be. The ACC had snubbed VT starting in 1953 and on several occasions after that including when Georgia Tech was invited and when Florida State was invited. They were only admitted in 2002 because UNC and Duke voted against expansion. That made John Casteen from UVA's vote relevant, and he is the one that was sponsoring VT. He got the group to vote on VT before they could vote on Miami to help make sure they got in because he knew eveyone wanted Miami, but he wasn't sure on VT. After trying many times for 50 years to get into the ACC, VT isn't likely to want to go anywhere else. There are some VT fans that like the idea of the SEC, but the SEC is not where their administration wants to be.

Louisville had VT and VCU kicked out of the Metro when they went in the direction of forming C-USA. VT fans remember that too and don't like it, but Louisville is coming in. I talk to VT fans everyday, and I don't hear a whole lot of objection to UConn. Their biggest concern is being put in a Division that looks like the Big East and not the ACC. They want to be able to recruit in the Carolinas, Georgia, and Florida. They want to play regular games there. They have accepted Boston College as their crossover rival. I don't think that VT is where any sort of anti-UConn bias would be coming from. I think more of it is coming from Boston College, which I don't get. And I think that the football schools in the south see UConn as a basketball school. It is. And they know they have to work on football.
 
btstimpy said:
I think all your posts about VT including this one demonstrate that VT has had a hard time getting to where they have always wanted to be. The ACC had snubbed VT starting in 1953 and on several occasions after that including when Georgia Tech was invited and when Florida State was invited. They were only admitted in 2002 because UNC and Duke voted against expansion. That made John Casteen from UVA's vote relevant, and he is the one that was sponsoring VT. He got the group to vote on VT before they could vote on Miami to help make sure they got in because he knew eveyone wanted Miami, but he wasn't sure on VT. After trying many times for 50 years to get into the ACC, VT isn't likely to want to go anywhere else. There are some VT fans that like the idea of the SEC, but the SEC is not where their administration wants to be.

Louisville had VT and VCU kicked out of the Metro when they went in the direction of forming C-USA. VT fans remember that too and don't like it, but Louisville is coming in. I talk to VT fans everyday, and I don't hear a whole lot of objection to UConn. Their biggest concern is being put in a Division that looks like the Big East and not the ACC. They want to be able to recruit in the Carolinas, Georgia, and Florida. They want to play regular games there. They have accepted Boston College as their crossover rival. I don't think that VT is where any sort of anti-UConn bias would be coming from. I think more of it is coming from Boston College, which I don't get. And I think that the football schools in the south see UConn as a basketball school. It is. And they know they have to work on football.
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You know, Casteen was actually at UConn when the whole controversy with adding football schools began. I believe Casteen left for Virginia in 1990-1991, and that's when Lew Perkins started pushing for UConn football, because the talk was there already under Casteen about adding VT, Miami, WV, Rutgers.
 
btstimpy said:
I think all your posts about VT including this one demonstrate that VT has had a hard time getting to where they have always wanted to be. The ACC had snubbed VT starting in 1953 and on several occasions after that including when Georgia Tech was invited and when Florida State was invited. They were only admitted in 2002 because UNC and Duke voted against expansion. That made John Casteen from UVA's vote relevant, and he is the one that was sponsoring VT. He got the group to vote on VT before they could vote on Miami to help make sure they got in because he knew eveyone wanted Miami, but he wasn't sure on VT. After trying many times for 50 years to get into the ACC, VT isn't likely to want to go anywhere else. There are some VT fans that like the idea of the SEC, but the SEC is not where their administration wants to be.

Louisville had VT and VCU kicked out of the Metro when they went in the direction of forming C-USA. VT fans remember that too and don't like it, but Louisville is coming in. I talk to VT fans everyday, and I don't hear a whole lot of objection to UConn. Their biggest concern is being put in a Division that looks like the Big East and not the ACC. They want to be able to recruit in the Carolinas, Georgia, and Florida. They want to play regular games there. They have accepted Boston College as their crossover rival. I don't think that VT is where any sort of anti-UConn bias would be coming from. I think more of it is coming from Boston College, which I don't get. And I think that the football schools in the south see UConn as a basketball school. It is. And they know they have to work on football.
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BC hates UConn because it knows that given the opportunity, it will never ever be able to compete with UConn in recruiting, brand name, and now even academics. The Catholic schools have never been partial to UConn and BC is one of them. BC and it's former AD is responsible for keeping UConn out of the ACC. It was supposed to be Cuse and UConn, but because of BC, Pitt was taken. After that, when it was between UConn and Louisville, they then wanted Louisville to placate Florida State and prevent them from bolting to the B12.
 
NickyNewark said:
Unfortunately some of UConn's biggest detracter's aren't from Tobacco road but the upstate NY region near the frosty lakes and on the banks of the river Charles in Boston or BC to be more specific!!I'm pretty sure FSU and Clemson are the southern problem.How many or who else voted against UConn I wish I knew?
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The best I understand it, UConn had the support of the NC schools, and, UVA. It was the football-first schools, specifically FSU and Clemson, who were most against them. Ga Tech, Miami, and, VPI sided with them. So, thats 5-5. They needed just four NO votes out of 14 for UConn to not be invited.

We all know BC and Syracuse voted no. I have not found how Pitt's vote went.

I believe that the ACC blew it BIG TIME by not adding UConn. Swofford can still bring them in, and, their hoops and Olympic sports would be a huge add. I am an optimist, and, I believe he is still working behind the scenes to make it happen.

FSU and Clemson being ranked in the Top 5 for most of the season has allayed fears that an ACC champion would not be in the hunt for the national title in football. Which is what drove the 'no' votes in the first place.
 
SouthronCross said:
I believe that the ACC blew it BIG TIME by not adding UConn. Swofford can still bring them in, and, their hoops and Olympic sports would be a huge add. I am an optimist, and, I believe he is still working behind the scenes to make it happen.

FSU and Clemson being ranked in the Top 5 for most of the season has allayed fears that an ACC champion would not be in the hunt for the national title in football. Which is what drove the 'no' votes in the first place.
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Thanks. I am now hoping for a FSU national championship this January, followed by a UConn ACC invite shortly after.
 
NEforceUConn said:
Thanks. I am now hoping for a FSU national championship this January, followed by a UConn ACC invite shortly after.
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I am, too, Force.

FSU fans were worried that being in the ACC would prevent them from contending for the BCS CG, and, this season shows that isn't true.

I believe that as ACC football solidifies, then that will open up new opportunities to grow the basketball brand. UConn in the ACC hammers the league's position as the best into stone.
 
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With Syracuse, Duke, North Carolina, Louisville, Miami, et al....basketball may not need augmentation
 
billybud said:
With Syracuse, Duke, North Carolina, Louisville, Miami, et al....basketball may not need augmentation
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That might be true. Football won't, either, since it seems Miami is well and truly on their way back to where FSU and CU already are. If the rest of the league follow their leads, we'll be fine.

I am hopeful the ACC will reconsider UConn for two reasons...content and market. They have good Olympic sports programs, and, are a stone's throw from the No 1 media market in the country. Both of which would be a positive if we ever get the ACCN going.
 
Hoophound said:
God, I hate these ACC fan dominated threads.
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Compared with what, an AAC thread dominated by non existing conference mates?

We are in a dumpster fire of a conference and the only two outs are the ACC or B1G. The chances of either taking us over the next 3 years is, well I'ld rather not say.
 
buddy said:
BC hates UConn because it knows that given the opportunity, it will never ever be able to compete with UConn in recruiting, brand name, and now even academics. The Catholic schools have never been partial to UConn and BC is one of them. BC and it's former AD is responsible for keeping UConn out of the ACC. It was supposed to be Cuse and UConn, but because of BC, Pitt was taken. After that, when it was between UConn and Louisville, they then wanted Louisville to placate Florida State and prevent them from bolting to the B12.
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You really know how to shovel it. Recruiting, ACADEMICS! LOL what are you smoking? competing?nobody at B.C. pays much attention with regards to anything related to U Conn thats a fact. The same can't be said for those down in Storrs. Remember the ACC does not require a unanimous yes vote when it comes to expansion, only a two thirds majority is required. THE QUESTION YOU SHOULD BE ASKING IS WHO ELSE WAS VOTING AGAINST YOU? Also for the record I have said numerous times that I support a U Conn move to the ACC and happen to feel it is a school that help enhance the conference. Please the superiority argument is unflattering and unfounded.
 
Boston College has no desire to see UConn in the ACC. UConn sucks the oxygen out of the region when they succeed in anything. BC has sucked monkey balls for about a decade - I'm sure the last thing they want is UConn back in their neighborhood.

Barring some sort of disaster, UConn has little chance at going to the ACC.

The southern tip, FSU, Clemson and the like, have little use and little respect for another northeastern program. The northern tip, Boston College and Syracuse have no interest in competing with Connecticut. On a level playing field, a large public school has the jump on smaller private schools.

The ACC is good enough hoopwise - they always have UNC and Duke and Syracuse and Louisville will be fine until their coaches retire. The other recent Big East transfers will do fine. The rest of the rabble will just have to show up every two or three years in rotation to keep things respectable.
 
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Fishy...I believe that you have hit it dead on....

Like you said, BC isn't itching for a competitive NE team in their back yard and the southern teams have no real interest in the NE.

If, if the ACC gave up on Notre Dame as ever becoming #15, and decided to add two more teams to get to 16, I could see a split. Adding one southern and one northeastern team.

There are not any teams left to add on the east coast that make sense other than UConn....and I could see that balanced by a southern add like UCF or USF.

Put Miami in the North and split north-south.

FSU
UCF
GT
Clemson
Virginia
Wake
NC State
Louisville

UConn
Miami
Syracuse
VT
Boston College
Pitt
North Carolina
Duke
 
billybud said:
Fishy...I believe that you have hit it dead on....

Like you said, BC isn't itching for a competitive NE team in their back yard and the southern teams have no real interest in the NE.

If, if the ACC gave up on Notre Dame as ever becoming #15, and decided to add two more teams to get to 16, I could see a split. Adding one southern and one northeastern team.

There are not any teams left to add on the east coast that make sense other than UConn....and I could see that balanced by a southern add like UCF or USF.

Put Miami in the North and split north-south.

FSU
UCF
GT
Clemson
Virginia
Wake
NC State
Louisville

UConn
Miami
Syracuse
VT
Boston College
Pitt
North Carolina
Duke
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Makes too much sense, therefore, it will never happen. That damn pipe dream that all leagues (currently the ACC) have about getting ND to join up just hamstrings everything.
 
"nobody at B.C. pays much attention with regards to anything related to U Conn thats a fact."
I don't know about that. There's a BC poster on the Boneyard with over a hundred posts in a couple months...
 
I'll also say this billybud: the ACC is rightfully positioning itself as the ultimate basketball conference. It should. It has it over the B1G right now. But if the B1G were to add UConn, then the B1G would have the very slight edge. And if the B1G were to somehow add both Kansas and UConn, the ACC's days as the best conference would be over.

The ACC could not compete against this (* bluechip):

B1G:
Indiana*
Kansas*
UConn*
Michigan St.*
Michigan*
Ohio St.*
Maryland*
Illinois
Wisconsin

And these three teams have been OK historically:
Purdue
Minnesota
Iowa

Bad teams:
Nebraska
Penn State
Rutgers
Northwestern

Compare to the ACC:
UNC*
Duke*
Louisville*
Syracuse*
NC State*
Pitt
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest
Notre Dame

OK:
Florida St.
Miami
Boston College
Virginia

Bad:
Clemson
Virginia Tech

7 blue chips in the B1G to 5 in the ACC.
 
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upstater said:
I'll also say this billybud: the ACC is rightfully positioning itself as the ultimate basketball conference. It should. It has it over the B1G right now. But if the B1G were to add UConn, then the B1G would have the very slight edge. And if the B1G were to somehow add both Kansas and UConn, the ACC's days as the best conference would be over.

The ACC could not compete against this ( bluechip):

B1G:
Indiana*
Kansas*
UConn*
Michigan St.
Michigan*
Ohio St.
Maryland*
Illinois
Wisconsin

And these three teams have been OK historically:
Purdue
Minnesota
Iowa

Bad teams:
Nebraska
Penn State
Rutgers
Northwestern

Compare to the ACC:
UNC*
Duke*
Louisville*
Syracuse*
NC State*
Pitt
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest
Notre Dame

OK:
Florida St.
Miami
Boston College
Virginia

Bad:
Clemson
Virginia Tech

7 blue chips in the B1G to 5 in the ACC.
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Well...The ACC has pretty much owned the Big Ten-ACC annual challenge...Uconn and Maryland would be added for the B1G...while Louisville and Cuse get added for the ACC...

I don't really see the big difference.
 
billybud said:
Well...The ACC has pretty much owned the Big Ten-ACC annual challenge...Uconn and Maryland would be added for the B1G...while Louisville and Cuse get added for the ACC...

I don't really see the big difference.
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Just for the sake of accuracy, the ACC hasn't won a Big Ten-ACC challenge since 2008.

Tied 6-6 last year, lost 8-4 in 2011, lost 6-5 in 2010, lost 6-5 in 2009. They had a nice run before that though.
 
billybud said:
Well...The ACC has pretty much owned the Big Ten-ACC annual challenge...Uconn and Maryland would be added for the B1G...while Louisville and Cuse get added for the ACC...

I don't really see the big difference.
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Kansas... and the fact that the B1G is already starting from a deeper bench. The ACC has had 2 stellar teams at the top for many years. But the other ACC teams haven't done anything much until adding Louisville.
 
The thing about the nation and the ACC, I think...is that basketball isn't that big in the southeast compared to the Northeast.

Football is king below North Carolina and baseball gives basketball a run for their money. Alabama, South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Florida...are football and baseball territory.
 
billybud said:
The thing about the nation and the ACC, I think...is that basketball isn't that big in the southeast compared to the Northeast.

Football is king below North Carolina and baseball gives basketball a run for their money. Alabama, South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Florida...are football and baseball territory.
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Ah, the dead sports.
 
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Not down here....nor in Texas.

When worlds collide....I know hockey is a big sport up that way. But hockey may come in after beach volleyball down here, and maybe ahead of badmitton...although that isn't a given.
 
upstater said:
Ah, the dead sports.
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Which sports? You included football?

Maybe at UConn. It looks like basketball has always been UConn's primary sport. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
 
Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember sitting through 0-11, 3-8 years at my alma mater....it took hiring Bobby Bowden (the equivalent of yelling "clear" and firing the paddles) to pull FSU out of its near death experience.

At that darkest hour, I remember wondering if it could be turned around. Three years later Bobby was undefeated and playing Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl.

Hiring a good coach and recruiting some stand out athletes can turn a program around.
 
Conference shmonference....Who cares?

It really isn't like the SEC everywhere is it? With fans cheering SEC-SEC-SEC.

The ACC is just really a place for my team to play...as long as my team can play on the national stage, have some good games with a national audience, and have an environment that excites fans and draws athletes, I could care less about conference rah-rah.

Just let me continue to enjoy rivalry games with UF, Miami, and Clemson. What do we in Tallahassee have to do with Syracuse, Pitt, or Boston College anyway?
 
billybud said:
Which sports? You included football?

Maybe at UConn. It looks like basketball has always been UConn's primary sport. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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Football and Baseball: DOWNSWING
Basketball and Soccer: UPSWING
HOCKEY: Mulletmania
 
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