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Carl Spackler has been awfully quiet as the Big East unravels. I hope he's okay.
 
I've always been a big believer in "follow the money."

I'm not saying whether the Catholics will or won't break away, as stated by McMurphy. But I'm having a hard time "finding" the money for them. Even if they were to join forces with the A-10, it still wouldn't provide them with the money that they would receive in the much weakened Big East, even using Dodd's speculated numbers (CBS).

Since I don't see the money yet, I'll wait until there is actually an announcement that is made from the Catholic-7. Then, if they do....I'll properly myself...
 
UConnDan97 said:
I've always been a big believer in "follow the money."

I'm not saying whether the Catholics will or won't break away, as stated by McMurphy. But I'm having a hard time "finding" the money for them. Even if they were to join forces with the A-10, it still wouldn't provide them with the money that they would receive in the much weakened Big East, even using Dodd's speculated numbers (CBS).

Since I don't see the money yet, I'll wait until there is actually an announcement that is made from the Catholic-7. Then, if they do....I'll properly myself...
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If they cared about money, they'd try football.

It's about pride.
It's about not being pushed around any more.
It's about controlling their own futures for a change.
 
HuskyfanDan said:
u guys are missing on the tulane invite. the bball schools pubically nay nay'd it. but in private i bet they voted for it. it gives them the last and perfect excuse to finally break away.

uconn needs to keep its bball in the same conf as its fball no matter what. we can play any team ooc, were uconn. we can schedule a alliance ooc with the big east bballs to play a bunch of them to help our rpi and relationships in the future. the bball schools and uconn both know this.
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Tulane to the Big East:Catholic schools::UConn to the ACC:Florida State
 
zls44 said:
If they cared about money, they'd try football.

It's about pride.
It's about not being pushed around any more.
It's about controlling their own futures for a change.
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I don't buy that for one second (no pun intended). Not one.

What do you think the reason was that Marquette and DePaul left more regional conferences to join the Big East? What do you think the reason was that the basketball schools didn't join some of their Catholic counterparts in the A-10 before the A-10 recently negotiated their own contract?

They stuck with the football schools because they saw money at the end of the tunnel. Plain and simple. That calculus changed drastically for everyone when Rutgers and Louisville left. But before that moment, the Catholic schools were more than perfectly fine with doubling their take on their current contract with what was being speculated in the media. Now because the math has been significantly reduced, they announce that they are leaving....because of f#$king pride??? Yeah right...

(queue up video of Villanova AD signing on to the Temple addition and then tell me about pride...)
 
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UConnDan97 said:
I've always been a big believer in "follow the money."

I'm not saying whether the Catholics will or won't break away, as stated by McMurphy. But I'm having a hard time "finding" the money for them. Even if they were to join forces with the A-10, it still wouldn't provide them with the money that they would receive in the much weakened Big East, even using Dodd's speculated numbers (CBS).

Since I don't see the money yet, I'll wait until there is actually an announcement that is made from the Catholic-7. Then, if they do....I'll properly myself...
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re the catholics and follow the money.

look at their athletic budgets. a 1m non big east payday, or a $2m big east pay day doesnt matter.

it isn't about tv money, as much as tv access, multiple bids to the tourney, playing as big of names as possible.

what a shock. the catholics couldn't stomach houston, smu, ucf, tulane (and usf) even academic crap school memphis.

why play them when you can play xavier, butler, slu. no more divide, in fighting.

again, tv revenue of $1m is <5% of the smallest catholic ad budget.

this shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.

fishy, unless herbst confides in you, u wouldn't know big ten status.
at ru only pernetti, bot chair and barchi knew
at md, loh, bot chair and kevin white. it wasn't until it got much further along did the circle widen.

i will remind everyone just when you think all hope is gone, rutgers is in the big ten. a school with 3 big east chmpships to its name. and yet we aren't in the big ten's picture at all? not buying it
 
huskymedic said:
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That was the look on the Villanova leadership's face when the Big East gave them 1 million dollars (blood money for Temple's inclusion) to "help investigate" the possibility of upgrading their football program, even if they didn't go through with it. Must have been about pride...
 
The money has certainly been reduced - but the product has been absolutely massacred.

Providence needs to sell basketball tickets. TV money is great, but they need to sell tickets. That's easy when you have Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, Louisville and West Virginia coming in.

It's not possible with Tulane, UCF and Houston.

They're running a business and every business has a pivot point - they've reached theirs'. They're better off splitting away, trying to lure some A10 schools into a strong hoop conference and making a go of it.

Like everyone else, they're looking out for their best interests.
 
Fishy said:
The money has certainly been reduced - but the product has been absolutely massacred.

Providence needs to sell basketball tickets. TV money is great, but they need to sell tickets. That's easy when you have Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, Louisville and West Virginia coming in.

It's not possible with Tulane, UCF and Houston.

They're running a business and every business has a pivot point - they've reached theirs'. They're better off splitting away, trying to lure some A10 schools into a strong hoop conference and making a go of it.

Like everyone else, they're looking out for their best interests.
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Well that's at least a plausible monetary evaluation, Fishy, so I'll buy it and I appreciate the effort.

But my question would be this: If the difference in their next tv contract (assuming they negotiate on their own) and the contract they would get with the football schools is roughly -1 million, can they make that difference up with what they get at the gate, simply because they play each other twice and not SMU once? In my opinion, the best case scenario is "a wash"...(but maybe "a wash" is good enough for them to say that they're out)
 
Well, my friends, let's all hope that the C-7 doesn't make this announcement in the next 24-48 hours and that this is all much to do about nothing. Hopefully, it's just something that enforces their preferred divisional and matchup wishes and not a departure from the conference. If realignment has taught me anything, it's that some things aren't "penned in" until they are penned in....
 
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I think it's close enough to a wash in either direction to make the thought of having to a) stomach being in a conference with Tulane, UCF, UH, etc., and b) having to deal with the logistics of shipping teams to and from those schools thoroughly unappealing.
 
I know this is really far out there, but why don't the basketball-onlies and FBS schools work out an 18-20 team superconference that's half basketball schools and half football schools?

Then, they could form two divisions (north-south, east-west, whatever) that make the most sense geographically. That way, the bball-onlies wouldn't have to worry about shipping their small sports to Texas, Florida, etc.

North:
UMass, UConn, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, Cincy, Xavier, Marquette, Butler, DePaul

South:
VCU, ECU, USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Memphis, Villanova, Temple, Georgetown

Or, somehow find a way to keep all the traditional Big East schools together, and let the dregs battle it out for the other division. I don't care.

I think I need to go to bed.
 
Fishy said:
I think it's close enough to a wash in either direction to make the thought of having to a) stomach being in a conference with Tulane, UCF, UH, etc., and b) having to deal with the logistics of shipping teams to and from those schools thoroughly unappealing.
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I think it will end up being at least a wash if not better. 1 million isn't compelling enough for all the instability. Look at the attendance figures and infrastructure of some of the programs that the bball schools could add. Teams like Butler, Gonzaga, Dayton, Creighton, Xavier, and some others are pretty solid teams and some even average between 12-16K fans per game. Solid programs that would only be enhanced by merging with the Big East 7 to form a much stronger league overall than some might realize. Other Schools like Wichita State, St. Louis, VCU also to be looked at. Gonzaga has already made their interest known. 1 million to have control of your own destiny makes it an easy decision.
 
Wow. Just wow. I don't even know what to say.

If this is true, it really, really hurts.
 
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The Catholic Schools have more vision and initiative than our people. Once the ACC snubbed us the second or third time, we should have exercised some initiative instead of "making do" in a Big East that is nothing like the Big East that we all have fond memories of.

Fishy, you can tell us all about how people are working hard with little hope of success. The problem is that they are pouring their energy into initiatives that are proven to fail, prospective membership in the ACC/B1G, a successful and stable Big East.

UConn needs to bust out of these failed models and try to aim for something that will actually work and is actually attainable.
 
Fwiw, I recently heard that the dissolution is done deal and that some of the new league schools will be announced as soon as Saturday.
 
my understanding is this, what am I missing

if they walk away now, they leave millions of dollars of exit fees on the table

if they walk away now, they leave 1.5 million per year on the table and are unlikely to receive as much as 1 million per year under any new deal

it seems they'd be walking away from more of what they need, I just don't understand that






there is one plausible explanation, some TV network promising big bucks as an opportunity to break into a market they're desperately trying to gain traction in
 
They can make up the TV money with NCAA tourney money. And they will get the same if not more by leaving.
 
Rumrunner said:
a pessimist would say that herbst isn't doing too well in this realignment thing.

"UConn president Susan Herbst has contacted officials from the non-FBS Big East members, pleading with them to stay in the league, sources told ESPN.

Ironically, Herbst, along with UConn and South Florida officials, heavily lobbied to get out of the Big East and join the ACC, when the league had to replace Maryland.

"I know this may seem like a tough moment for our fans, but we need to focus on the fundamentals of academic success across the university and in our athletic program as well," Herbst said in a statement when Louisville, and not UConn, was selected by the ACC last month."

http://m.espn.go.com/extra/ncaa/story?storyId=8742607&wjb

An optimist says she wants the Big East to still survive when uconn gets its Big Ten invite.

It's quickly looking like we will about to see if Herbst has navigated UConn successfully to a better place, or we are truly flucked.
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You are finally getting it. The silence from Uconn doesnt have any hidden meaning. JC's recent comments are nothing more than his hope and semi empty words. Everyone up at Uconn is trying to save face right now because they know we are screwed big time.
 
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Fishy said:
1) Pudge brings up something that I have wondered since Tulane was intro'd. I know South Florida and Central Florida lobbied for Tulane. But as to whether there was a vote to invite - I don't know who or why or if.

2) A year ago, it was fairly established that the hoop schools would bolt if and when UConn left and to a lesser extent, if UL left. I doubt Tulane is the trigger its being made out to be.

3) UConn absolutely, positively lobbied very hard to get into the ACC. Theories to the contrary are being invented out of thin air - no truth to them.

4) There is no secret pact with the Big Ten. We're as far away from joining the Big Ten as we were five years ago. And tomorrow, we might be without a conference which will do nothing to enhance our already-dim prospects.

As of right now, we're in as bad a situation as we could have imagined - I'm not making this up and I'm not trying to be a dark cloud. There are a lot of people working very hard with little hope of success.
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"3) UConn absolutely, positively lobbied very hard to get into the ACC. Theories to the contrary are being invented out of thin air - no truth to them.

As of right now, we're in as bad a situation as we could have imagined - I'm not making this up and I'm not trying to be a dark cloud. There are a lot of people working very hard with little hope of success"

Fishy, are these conclusions based on inside sources?
 
HuskyfanDan said:
pots of gold, u forgot those. those are what the b10 gives out becuase it will have such a great ****ing tv contract.

espn right now is trying to kill the nbe before the b10 can act again. they can kill it by getting the bball schools to split and putting uconn in a situation where it can't wait any longer for a b10 invite to happen. so they force uconn to accept a acc invite knowing uconn has to move instead of staying. uconn staying could hurt themselves and never recover and that would make the b10 back off if we slowly die in the nbe. the minute the acc can do this and gain cincy and uconn it knows that it has 16 all sports teams and nd. they can they do this:
-get a gor going by majority vote. once schools like uconn and cincy join they are going to want to lock it up as they were forced and now have to do so. atleast 12 of the 16 schools would want a gor and then they would get it. second it allows nd to then think the acc is still good enough with the gor and join for fball in 2015. the acc then can look at memphis, usf and temple and have its pick to #18 in 2015. it haults the b10 capturing nyc and the northeast. then the acc can grab msg away from the big east bball league. the nbe/cusa2.0 is nothing competition wise and u have a claer big 5 not a argument to be made.

acc is trying to pull a huge move here. its now or never for the b10 to go for the kill. sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. uconn will be just fine either way.

if the b10 goes for it, and we get it, then we are officially gold. if we dont get the invite and another does then the acc picks us up anyway. or the acc pulls the strong arm move i said above and we go from the worst bcs conf to the new worst bcs conf but we put ourselves in a better future situation.

we are going to be on suicide watch for a bit here as we have, but white christmas, green wallet and blue cup will be how i celebrate soon. i just dont know how good the party will be yet.
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It may be time to give up on this
 
HuskyfanDan said:
pots of gold, u forgot those. those are what the b10 gives out becuase it will have such a great ****ing tv contract.

espn right now is trying to kill the nbe before the b10 can act again. they can kill it by getting the bball schools to split and putting uconn in a situation where it can't wait any longer for a b10 invite to happen. so they force uconn to accept a acc invite knowing uconn has to move instead of staying. uconn staying could hurt themselves and never recover and that would make the b10 back off if we slowly die in the nbe. the minute the acc can do this and gain cincy and uconn it knows that it has 16 all sports teams and nd. they can they do this:
-get a gor going by majority vote. once schools like uconn and cincy join they are going to want to lock it up as they were forced and now have to do so. atleast 12 of the 16 schools would want a gor and then they would get it. second it allows nd to then think the acc is still good enough with the gor and join for fball in 2015. the acc then can look at memphis, usf and temple and have its pick to #18 in 2015. it haults the b10 capturing nyc and the northeast. then the acc can grab msg away from the big east bball league. the nbe/cusa2.0 is nothing competition wise and u have a claer big 5 not a argument to be made.

acc is trying to pull a huge move here. its now or never for the b10 to go for the kill. sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. uconn will be just fine either way.

if the b10 goes for it, and we get it, then we are officially gold. if we dont get the invite and another does then the acc picks us up anyway. or the acc pulls the strong arm move i said above and we go from the worst bcs conf to the new worst bcs conf but we put ourselves in a better future situation.

we are going to be on suicide watch for a bit here as we have, but white christmas, green wallet and blue cup will be how i celebrate soon. i just dont know how good the party will be yet.
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"sit back and enjoy the ride"????????????????
for over a year half this board has been teetering on meltdown while the other half has essentially lost it already... It's armageddon here.
 
My conspiracy theory contribution: Blame Paul Tagliabue: The ultimate football man. Georgetown alum, signed on by the Providence mafia to conduct media relations & contract negotiations. As soon as he's called back to the NFL by his successor to oversee the Saints mess, all hell breaks loose. First he overturns the suspensions (thoroughly humiliating Roger Goodell in the process), then his alma mater is engineering a reverse schism while he gloats in the shadows. BRILLIANT!
 
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