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Instead of trying to stop the C7 from dissolving the league, Herbst should work with them to make sure UConn is also in their breakaway league.

Go football only in CUSA 2.0 or even independent.
 
And the BIG question remains ... who the frig voted in Tulane?

The 7 are denying it & using it as an excuse to exit. Rutgers was already gone. Louisville PLUS Three doesn't do it. PLUS Four doesn't do it. I have a really tough time understanding what has happened.
 
Pudge said:
And the BIG question remains ... who the frig voted in Tulane?

The 7 are denying it & using it as an excuse to exit. Rutgers was already gone. Louisville PLUS Three doesn't do it. PLUS Four doesn't do it. I have a really tough time understanding what has happened.
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Wrote the same thing in Fishy's thread. I'm scratching my head.
 
tulane thing is the ultimate canard.

once louisville left ( hoops heavy) and rutgers ( seton hall's playmate), the end was destiny. tulane had nothing to do with this.
but if you say a lie over and over, it becomes the truth.
 
1) Pudge brings up something that I have wondered since Tulane was intro'd. I know South Florida and Central Florida lobbied for Tulane. But as to whether there was a vote to invite - I don't know who or why or if.

2) A year ago, it was fairly established that the hoop schools would bolt if and when UConn left and to a lesser extent, if UL left. I doubt Tulane is the trigger its being made out to be.

3) UConn absolutely, positively lobbied very hard to get into the ACC. Theories to the contrary are being invented out of thin air - no truth to them.

4) There is no secret pact with the Big Ten. We're as far away from joining the Big Ten as we were five years ago. And tomorrow, we might be without a conference which will do nothing to enhance our already-dim prospects.

As of right now, we're in as bad a situation as we could have imagined - I'm not making this up and I'm not trying to be a dark cloud. There are a lot of people working very hard with little hope of success.
 
Carl Spackler has been awfully quiet as the Big East unravels. I hope he's okay.
 
I've always been a big believer in "follow the money."

I'm not saying whether the Catholics will or won't break away, as stated by McMurphy. But I'm having a hard time "finding" the money for them. Even if they were to join forces with the A-10, it still wouldn't provide them with the money that they would receive in the much weakened Big East, even using Dodd's speculated numbers (CBS).

Since I don't see the money yet, I'll wait until there is actually an announcement that is made from the Catholic-7. Then, if they do....I'll properly myself...
 
UConnDan97 said:
I've always been a big believer in "follow the money."

I'm not saying whether the Catholics will or won't break away, as stated by McMurphy. But I'm having a hard time "finding" the money for them. Even if they were to join forces with the A-10, it still wouldn't provide them with the money that they would receive in the much weakened Big East, even using Dodd's speculated numbers (CBS).

Since I don't see the money yet, I'll wait until there is actually an announcement that is made from the Catholic-7. Then, if they do....I'll properly myself...
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If they cared about money, they'd try football.

It's about pride.
It's about not being pushed around any more.
It's about controlling their own futures for a change.
 
HuskyfanDan said:
u guys are missing on the tulane invite. the bball schools pubically nay nay'd it. but in private i bet they voted for it. it gives them the last and perfect excuse to finally break away.

uconn needs to keep its bball in the same conf as its fball no matter what. we can play any team ooc, were uconn. we can schedule a alliance ooc with the big east bballs to play a bunch of them to help our rpi and relationships in the future. the bball schools and uconn both know this.
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Tulane to the Big East:Catholic schools::UConn to the ACC:Florida State
 
zls44 said:
If they cared about money, they'd try football.

It's about pride.
It's about not being pushed around any more.
It's about controlling their own futures for a change.
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I don't buy that for one second (no pun intended). Not one.

What do you think the reason was that Marquette and DePaul left more regional conferences to join the Big East? What do you think the reason was that the basketball schools didn't join some of their Catholic counterparts in the A-10 before the A-10 recently negotiated their own contract?

They stuck with the football schools because they saw money at the end of the tunnel. Plain and simple. That calculus changed drastically for everyone when Rutgers and Louisville left. But before that moment, the Catholic schools were more than perfectly fine with doubling their take on their current contract with what was being speculated in the media. Now because the math has been significantly reduced, they announce that they are leaving....because of f#$king pride??? Yeah right...

(queue up video of Villanova AD signing on to the Temple addition and then tell me about pride...)
 
UConnDan97 said:
I've always been a big believer in "follow the money."

I'm not saying whether the Catholics will or won't break away, as stated by McMurphy. But I'm having a hard time "finding" the money for them. Even if they were to join forces with the A-10, it still wouldn't provide them with the money that they would receive in the much weakened Big East, even using Dodd's speculated numbers (CBS).

Since I don't see the money yet, I'll wait until there is actually an announcement that is made from the Catholic-7. Then, if they do....I'll properly myself...
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re the catholics and follow the money.

look at their athletic budgets. a 1m non big east payday, or a $2m big east pay day doesnt matter.

it isn't about tv money, as much as tv access, multiple bids to the tourney, playing as big of names as possible.

what a shock. the catholics couldn't stomach houston, smu, ucf, tulane (and usf) even academic crap school memphis.

why play them when you can play xavier, butler, slu. no more divide, in fighting.

again, tv revenue of $1m is <5% of the smallest catholic ad budget.

this shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.

fishy, unless herbst confides in you, u wouldn't know big ten status.
at ru only pernetti, bot chair and barchi knew
at md, loh, bot chair and kevin white. it wasn't until it got much further along did the circle widen.

i will remind everyone just when you think all hope is gone, rutgers is in the big ten. a school with 3 big east chmpships to its name. and yet we aren't in the big ten's picture at all? not buying it
 
huskymedic said:
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That was the look on the Villanova leadership's face when the Big East gave them 1 million dollars (blood money for Temple's inclusion) to "help investigate" the possibility of upgrading their football program, even if they didn't go through with it. Must have been about pride...
 
The money has certainly been reduced - but the product has been absolutely massacred.

Providence needs to sell basketball tickets. TV money is great, but they need to sell tickets. That's easy when you have Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, Louisville and West Virginia coming in.

It's not possible with Tulane, UCF and Houston.

They're running a business and every business has a pivot point - they've reached theirs'. They're better off splitting away, trying to lure some A10 schools into a strong hoop conference and making a go of it.

Like everyone else, they're looking out for their best interests.
 
Fishy said:
The money has certainly been reduced - but the product has been absolutely massacred.

Providence needs to sell basketball tickets. TV money is great, but they need to sell tickets. That's easy when you have Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, Louisville and West Virginia coming in.

It's not possible with Tulane, UCF and Houston.

They're running a business and every business has a pivot point - they've reached theirs'. They're better off splitting away, trying to lure some A10 schools into a strong hoop conference and making a go of it.

Like everyone else, they're looking out for their best interests.
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Well that's at least a plausible monetary evaluation, Fishy, so I'll buy it and I appreciate the effort.

But my question would be this: If the difference in their next tv contract (assuming they negotiate on their own) and the contract they would get with the football schools is roughly -1 million, can they make that difference up with what they get at the gate, simply because they play each other twice and not SMU once? In my opinion, the best case scenario is "a wash"...(but maybe "a wash" is good enough for them to say that they're out)
 
Well, my friends, let's all hope that the C-7 doesn't make this announcement in the next 24-48 hours and that this is all much to do about nothing. Hopefully, it's just something that enforces their preferred divisional and matchup wishes and not a departure from the conference. If realignment has taught me anything, it's that some things aren't "penned in" until they are penned in....
 
I think it's close enough to a wash in either direction to make the thought of having to a) stomach being in a conference with Tulane, UCF, UH, etc., and b) having to deal with the logistics of shipping teams to and from those schools thoroughly unappealing.
 
I know this is really far out there, but why don't the basketball-onlies and FBS schools work out an 18-20 team superconference that's half basketball schools and half football schools?

Then, they could form two divisions (north-south, east-west, whatever) that make the most sense geographically. That way, the bball-onlies wouldn't have to worry about shipping their small sports to Texas, Florida, etc.

North:
UMass, UConn, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, Cincy, Xavier, Marquette, Butler, DePaul

South:
VCU, ECU, USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Memphis, Villanova, Temple, Georgetown

Or, somehow find a way to keep all the traditional Big East schools together, and let the dregs battle it out for the other division. I don't care.

I think I need to go to bed.
 
Fishy said:
I think it's close enough to a wash in either direction to make the thought of having to a) stomach being in a conference with Tulane, UCF, UH, etc., and b) having to deal with the logistics of shipping teams to and from those schools thoroughly unappealing.
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I think it will end up being at least a wash if not better. 1 million isn't compelling enough for all the instability. Look at the attendance figures and infrastructure of some of the programs that the bball schools could add. Teams like Butler, Gonzaga, Dayton, Creighton, Xavier, and some others are pretty solid teams and some even average between 12-16K fans per game. Solid programs that would only be enhanced by merging with the Big East 7 to form a much stronger league overall than some might realize. Other Schools like Wichita State, St. Louis, VCU also to be looked at. Gonzaga has already made their interest known. 1 million to have control of your own destiny makes it an easy decision.
 
Wow. Just wow. I don't even know what to say.

If this is true, it really, really hurts.
 
The Catholic Schools have more vision and initiative than our people. Once the ACC snubbed us the second or third time, we should have exercised some initiative instead of "making do" in a Big East that is nothing like the Big East that we all have fond memories of.

Fishy, you can tell us all about how people are working hard with little hope of success. The problem is that they are pouring their energy into initiatives that are proven to fail, prospective membership in the ACC/B1G, a successful and stable Big East.

UConn needs to bust out of these failed models and try to aim for something that will actually work and is actually attainable.
 
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