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Here’s a bombshell

I've mentioned it one of these threads, I've seen some commentary/analysis also say it.

It's going to be like NFL or MLB. AFC/NFC or American/National. Probably more like NFL with two conferences B1G and SEC, each conference has a few divisions. They have their playoffs within the conference and then the Championship game.
 
Dean Wormer said:
There’s a reason Texas and Oklahoma didn’t move to the SEC right away. This last Big10 poach happened only because the PAC GOR is up next year.
Nobody’s ever tested a GOR in court. The ACC is safe for now, but eventually Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, are all out. They’ll just have to pay if they want to leave early, that’s all.
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Someone correct me if I’m wrong , the GOR ,Is not an Exit Fee , The ACC already has a huge fee. $50,000,000
It’s giving up all future media earnings until it’s expiration date. That’s hundreds of millions of dollars and years your not earning anything. Its a draconian method of preventing people from leaving.This was created after or during the Maryland exit.?
 
superjohn said:
It seems pretty obvious the Big 10 and SEC are going to keep adding and will split away from everyone else.
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I had a short conversation with a neighbor of mine this morning about this. He is retired now but he did hold 2 very high positions in college sports. One with the NCAA itself and one with a conference.
He agreed that it will be the BIG and SEC as super conferences and then there will be everybody else trying to find a home. There will be a lot of raiding of conferences and a lot of big names will be left out. We will all need to sit back and watch how it plays out. Like many of us, he also thinks it’s bad for college sports but that’s just the way it is now.
Football and it’s cable package is obviously driving this and basketball is just luggage under the bus.
Anyone with cable TV will be paying for the super conferences and their TV deals. Our rates will go up in hidden fees from 90 cents to $1.10 or whatever the numbers are to make it work and profitable for them.

We also talked just briefly about the BE and he said there was a time during the conferences heyday when Penn St. and Joe Paterno approached the conference for admission and they were laughed out the door because they were a football school. Our neighborhood golf cart parade started at that point so I didn’t have a chance to follow up with him more on that. Does anyone remember this scenario ? I don’t.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
Someone correct me if I’m wrong , the GOR ,Is not an Exit Fee , The ACC already has a huge fee. $50,000,000
It’s giving up all future media earnings until it’s expiration date. That’s hundreds of millions of dollars and years your not earning anything. Its a draconian method of preventing people from leaving.This was created after or during the Maryland exit.?
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After. It’s only as good as the will of those to enforce it.
 
Mister P said:
I had a short conversation with a neighbor of mine this morning about this. He is retired now but he did hold 2 very high positions in college sports. One with the NCAA itself and one with a conference.
He agreed that it will be the BIG and SEC as super conferences and then there will be everybody else trying to find a home. There will be a lot of raiding of conferences and a lot of big names will be left out. We will all need to sit back and watch how it plays out. Like many of us, he also thinks it’s bad for college sports but that’s just the way it is now.
Football and it’s cable package is obviously driving this and basketball is just luggage under the bus.
Anyone with cable TV will be paying for the super conferences and their TV deals. Our rates will go up in hidden fees from 90 cents to $1.10 or whatever the numbers are to make it work and profitable for them.

We also talked just briefly about the BE and he said there was a time during the conferences heyday when Penn St. and Joe Paterno approached the conference for admission and they were laughed out the door because they were a football school. Our neighborhood golf cart parade started at that point so I didn’t have a chance to follow up with him more on that. Does anyone remember this scenario ? I don’t.
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I think it was Villanova that blocked Penn State’s entrance. As egregious as it seems today I have no doubt they would have been poached later on.

College Football and it’s money have outgrown the other sports. The B1G and the SEC at least will extricate football from the NCAA. The NCAA will govern whatever is left.

It just kind of sucks because the regional aspects were one of the things most compelling about college football. Now we are basically getting intersectional match ups every weekend and it’s like getting served the best steak every night.

UCLA can’t even fill their stadium for traditional PAC 12 opponents. You think people will turn out in droves for Indiana or Rutgers?

I don’t think of this as realignment. This a consolidation. A consolidation of the highest revenue schools into fewer and fewer conferences. I think they are going to get diminishing returns eventually and even negative returns as fanbase malaise sets in.

As Aaron Torres said: this will just end up as a giant homogenized bore. Which is what college fans generally think of the NFL as.
 
Chin Diesel said:
I've mentioned it one of these threads, I've seen some commentary/analysis also say it.

It's going to be like NFL or MLB. AFC/NFC or American/National. Probably more like NFL with two conferences B1G and SEC, each conference has a few divisions. They have their playoffs within the conference and then the Championship game.
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Sounds terrible
 
syndication.bleacherreport.com

How Penn State Could've Saved Big East Football

Imagine the College Football Playoff beginning next season not with five, but six major conferences. The Big East is still at the table, but not splintered into a basketball version ...
syndication.bleacherreport.com


“By a single vote, the Big East athletic directors turned down Penn State's membership request. Needing six votes to pass, Penn State got five. Three basketball schools—Georgetown, St. John's and Villanova—voted against JoePa's Nittany Lions.”
 
ZooCougar said:
I think it was Villanova that blocked Penn State’s entrance. As egregious as it seems today I have no doubt they would have been poached later on.

College Football and it’s money have outgrown the other sports. The B1G and the SEC at least will extricate football from the NCAA. The NCAA will govern whatever is left.

It just kind of sucks because the regional aspects were one of the things most compelling about college football. Now we are basically getting intersectional match ups every weekend and it’s like getting served the best steak every night.

UCLA can’t even fill their stadium for traditional PAC 12 opponents. You think people will turn out in droves for Indiana or Rutgers?

I don’t think of this as realignment. This a consolidation. A consolidation of the highest revenue schools into fewer and fewer conferences. I think they are going to get diminishing returns eventually and even negative returns as fanbase malaise sets in.

As Aaron Torres said: this will just end up as a giant homogenized bore. Which is what college fans generally think of the NFL as.
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Bingo
 
One of the best ways to fight the ACC GOR in court is to argue the ACC has failed to provide the anticipated revenue to conference members. For instance, members got lower revenue from TV deal than peers at other conferences. Depends on the language used in the contract.
 
ZooCougar said:
I think it was Villanova that blocked Penn State’s entrance. As egregious as it seems today I have no doubt they would have been poached later on.

College Football and it’s money have outgrown the other sports. The B1G and the SEC at least will extricate football from the NCAA. The NCAA will govern whatever is left.

It just kind of sucks because the regional aspects were one of the things most compelling about college football. Now we are basically getting intersectional match ups every weekend and it’s like getting served the best steak every night.

UCLA can’t even fill their stadium for traditional PAC 12 opponents. You think people will turn out in droves for Indiana or Rutgers?

I don’t think of this as realignment. This a consolidation. A consolidation of the highest revenue schools into fewer and fewer conferences. I think they are going to get diminishing returns eventually and even negative returns as fanbase malaise sets in.

As Aaron Torres said: this will just end up as a giant homogenized bore. Which is what college fans generally think of the NFL as.
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Villanova was not yet in the Big East when this first happened in 1978. Penn State had Rutgers and West Virginia aligned with it at the time.

In 1982, when Penn State came up again, it had Maryland as another member as well trying to join.

Syracuse voted them down.

The problem with Penn State is that it wanted a disproportionate cut of any TV revenue at the time.
 
JeepCSC said:
syndication.bleacherreport.com

How Penn State Could've Saved Big East Football

Imagine the College Football Playoff beginning next season not with five, but six major conferences. The Big East is still at the table, but not splintered into a basketball version ...
syndication.bleacherreport.com


“By a single vote, the Big East athletic directors turned down Penn State's membership request. Needing six votes to pass, Penn State got five. Three basketball schools—Georgetown, St. John's and Villanova—voted against JoePa's Nittany Lions.”
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This story by this writer is incorrect on several fronts.

Jake Crouthamel is on record that Syracuse voted against PSU in 1982.

But Penn State was one of the original invites back in 1978 as well before Villanova was involved.
 
When does the college football schedule go from 12 games to 15 or 16? They’re going to realize pretty quick that they can increase their TV revenue by 25% if they play more games
 
aburks41 said:
When does the college football schedule go from 12 games to 15 or 16? They’re going to realize pretty quick that they can increase their TV revenue by 25% if they play more games
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Don’t you know???? They’re concerned about the “student athletes”. LOL
 
ZooCougar said:
I think it was Villanova that blocked Penn State’s entrance. As egregious as it seems today I have no doubt they would have been poached later on.

College Football and it’s money have outgrown the other sports. The B1G and the SEC at least will extricate football from the NCAA. The NCAA will govern whatever is left.

It just kind of sucks because the regional aspects were one of the things most compelling about college football. Now we are basically getting intersectional match ups every weekend and it’s like getting served the best steak every night.

UCLA can’t even fill their stadium for traditional PAC 12 opponents. You think people will turn out in droves for Indiana or Rutgers?

I don’t think of this as realignment. This a consolidation. A consolidation of the highest revenue schools into fewer and fewer conferences. I think they are going to get diminishing returns eventually and even negative returns as fanbase malaise sets in.

As Aaron Torres said: this will just end up as a giant homogenized bore. Which is what college fans generally think of the NFL as.
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There is a thin line between Poacher and Pochee
A school with Penn State
Syracuse , Pittt, West Va, BC, VT , Miami
Might have poached FSU, Clemson , Maryland even Va , plus Rutgers and UConn ,
The B1G contiguous
requirement is blocked or forgotten
In which case the ACC crumbles or Tobacco Road adds, Louisville Cinncy UCF and USF keep breathing. “
Out of little acorns do giant Oaks emerge”
 
CL82 said:
Are they gonna trap us by paying us nine times our current media rights? Because that’s the kind of trap I think I can live with.
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Outside the B1G and SEC, I don’t think anybody’s gonna be paying anybody anything like that, so it’s not going to matter. There is going to be well financed CFB and poor man’s CFB and it’s not going make any difference what conference you’re in if it doesn’t rhyme with B1G or SEC. Who’s gonna pay big money for remnants? No one.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
There is a thin line between Poacher and Pochee
A school with Penn State
Syracuse , Pittt, West Va, BC, VT , Miami
Might have poached FSU, Clemson , Maryland even Va , plus Rutgers and UConn ,
The B1G contiguous
requirement is blocked or forgotten
In which case the ACC crumbles or Tobacco Road adds, Louisville Cinncy UCF and USF keep breathing. “
Out of little acorns do giant Oaks emerge”
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Tranghese didn’t even see the raid coming. What makes you think he would have had enough sense to pull that caper off?
 
Mister P said:
I had a short conversation with a neighbor of mine this morning about this. He is retired now but he did hold 2 very high positions in college sports. One with the NCAA itself and one with a conference.
He agreed that it will be the BIG and SEC as super conferences and then there will be everybody else trying to find a home. There will be a lot of raiding of conferences and a lot of big names will be left out. We will all need to sit back and watch how it plays out. Like many of us, he also thinks it’s bad for college sports but that’s just the way it is now.
Football and it’s cable package is obviously driving this and basketball is just luggage under the bus.
Anyone with cable TV will be paying for the super conferences and their TV deals. Our rates will go up in hidden fees from 90 cents to $1.10 or whatever the numbers are to make it work and profitable for them.

We also talked just briefly about the BE and he said there was a time during the conferences heyday when Penn St. and Joe Paterno approached the conference for admission and they were laughed out the door because they were a football school. Our neighborhood golf cart parade started at that point so I didn’t have a chance to follow up with him more on that. Does anyone remember this scenario ? I don’t.
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All true.
 
gars44 said:
Outside the B1G and SEC, I don’t think anybody’s gonna be paying anybody anything like that, so it’s not going to matter. There is going to be well financed CFB and poor man’s CFB and it’s not going make any difference what conference you’re in if it doesn’t rhyme with B1G or SEC. Who’s gonna pay big money for remnants? No one.
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Basically the new FBS/FCS. Except with more money.
 
gars44 said:
Outside the B1G and SEC, I don’t think anybody’s gonna be paying anybody anything like that, so it’s not going to matter. There is going to be well financed CFB and poor man’s CFB and it’s not going make any difference what conference you’re in if it doesn’t rhyme with B1G or SEC. Who’s gonna pay big money for remnants? No one.
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With 2 - 24 team Leagues that’s not enough content for the US
 
gars44 said:
Outside the B1G and SEC, I don’t think anybody’s gonna be paying anybody anything like that, so it’s not going to matter. There is going to be well financed CFB and poor man’s CFB and it’s not going make any difference what conference you’re in if it doesn’t rhyme with B1G or SEC. Who’s gonna pay big money for remnants? No one.
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The ACC makes about 36 million per team now. We make about 4 million from our Big East media rights.
 
upstater said:
This story by this writer is incorrect on several fronts.

Jake Crouthamel is on record that Syracuse voted against PSU in 1982.

But Penn State was one of the original invites back in 1978 as well before Villanova was involved.
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Here is an excerpt from Dana O’Neil’s book, the Big East, which I really enjoyed. Gavitt wanted Penn State to join, but St. John’s, Georgetown, and Villanova all voted against adding them.
 

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