Here’s a bombshell

[aburks41]

When does the college football schedule go from 12 games to 15 or 16? They’re going to realize pretty quick that they can increase their TV revenue by 25% if they play more games

 

[CTBballfan243]

When does the college football schedule go from 12 games to 15 or 16? They’re going to realize pretty quick that they can increase their TV revenue by 25% if they play more games

Don’t you know???? They’re concerned about the “student athletes”. LOL

 

[AZHuskiePop]

I think it was Villanova that blocked Penn State’s entrance. As egregious as it seems today I have no doubt they would have been poached later on.

College Football and it’s money have outgrown the other sports. The B1G and the SEC at least will extricate football from the NCAA. The NCAA will govern whatever is left.

It just kind of sucks because the regional aspects were one of the things most compelling about college football. Now we are basically getting intersectional match ups every weekend and it’s like getting served the best steak every night.

UCLA can’t even fill their stadium for traditional PAC 12 opponents. You think people will turn out in droves for Indiana or Rutgers?

I don’t think of this as realignment. This a consolidation. A consolidation of the highest revenue schools into fewer and fewer conferences. I think they are going to get diminishing returns eventually and even negative returns as fanbase malaise sets in.

As Aaron Torres said: this will just end up as a giant homogenized bore. Which is what college fans generally think of the NFL as.

There is a thin line between Poacher and Pochee
A school with Penn State
Syracuse , Pittt, West Va, BC, VT , Miami
Might have poached FSU, Clemson , Maryland even Va , plus Rutgers and UConn ,
The B1G contiguous
requirement is blocked or forgotten
In which case the ACC crumbles or Tobacco Road adds, Louisville Cinncy UCF and USF keep breathing. “
Out of little acorns do giant Oaks emerge”

 

[gars44]

Are they gonna trap us by paying us nine times our current media rights? Because that’s the kind of trap I think I can live with.

Outside the B1G and SEC, I don’t think anybody’s gonna be paying anybody anything like that, so it’s not going to matter. There is going to be well financed CFB and poor man’s CFB and it’s not going make any difference what conference you’re in if it doesn’t rhyme with B1G or SEC. Who’s gonna pay big money for remnants? No one.

 

[ZooCougar]

There is a thin line between Poacher and Pochee
A school with Penn State
Syracuse , Pittt, West Va, BC, VT , Miami
Might have poached FSU, Clemson , Maryland even Va , plus Rutgers and UConn ,
The B1G contiguous
requirement is blocked or forgotten
In which case the ACC crumbles or Tobacco Road adds, Louisville Cinncy UCF and USF keep breathing. “
Out of little acorns do giant Oaks emerge”

Tranghese didn’t even see the raid coming. What makes you think he would have had enough sense to pull that caper off?

 

[gars44]

I had a short conversation with a neighbor of mine this morning about this. He is retired now but he did hold 2 very high positions in college sports. One with the NCAA itself and one with a conference.
He agreed that it will be the BIG and SEC as super conferences and then there will be everybody else trying to find a home. There will be a lot of raiding of conferences and a lot of big names will be left out. We will all need to sit back and watch how it plays out. Like many of us, he also thinks it’s bad for college sports but that’s just the way it is now.
Football and it’s cable package is obviously driving this and basketball is just luggage under the bus.
Anyone with cable TV will be paying for the super conferences and their TV deals. Our rates will go up in hidden fees from 90 cents to $1.10 or whatever the numbers are to make it work and profitable for them.

We also talked just briefly about the BE and he said there was a time during the conferences heyday when Penn St. and Joe Paterno approached the conference for admission and they were laughed out the door because they were a football school. Our neighborhood golf cart parade started at that point so I didn’t have a chance to follow up with him more on that. Does anyone remember this scenario ? I don’t.

All true.

 

[ZooCougar]

Outside the B1G and SEC, I don’t think anybody’s gonna be paying anybody anything like that, so it’s not going to matter. There is going to be well financed CFB and poor man’s CFB and it’s not going make any difference what conference you’re in if it doesn’t rhyme with B1G or SEC. Who’s gonna pay big money for remnants? No one.

Basically the new FBS/FCS. Except with more money.

 

[Stinger92860]

Outside the B1G and SEC, I don’t think anybody’s gonna be paying anybody anything like that, so it’s not going to matter. There is going to be well financed CFB and poor man’s CFB and it’s not going make any difference what conference you’re in if it doesn’t rhyme with B1G or SEC. Who’s gonna pay big money for remnants? No one.

With 2 - 24 team Leagues that’s not enough content for the US

 

[CL82]

Outside the B1G and SEC, I don’t think anybody’s gonna be paying anybody anything like that, so it’s not going to matter. There is going to be well financed CFB and poor man’s CFB and it’s not going make any difference what conference you’re in if it doesn’t rhyme with B1G or SEC. Who’s gonna pay big money for remnants? No one.

The ACC makes about 36 million per team now. We make about 4 million from our Big East media rights.

 

[ToolzieFan]

This story by this writer is incorrect on several fronts.

Jake Crouthamel is on record that Syracuse voted against PSU in 1982.

But Penn State was one of the original invites back in 1978 as well before Villanova was involved.

Here is an excerpt from Dana O’Neil’s book, the Big East, which I really enjoyed. Gavitt wanted Penn State to join, but St. John’s, Georgetown, and Villanova all voted against adding them.

 

[FriarJ]

This story by this writer is incorrect on several fronts.

Jake Crouthamel is on record that Syracuse voted against PSU in 1982.

But Penn State was one of the original invites back in 1978 as well before Villanova was involved.

They were not one of the original invites. What are you smoking?

 

[ScottVib]

Here's Crouthamel's history from the 2000s:
A BIG EAST History & Retrospective (Part 1) - Part 1
BIG EAST History & Retrospective (Part 2) - Part 2 (link in the article is broken)


If you believe his recollection (even then 20 years old) Penn State state was not invited until later. Rutgers was & declined because it wanted to stick with Penn State, which led to Seton Hall getting an invite. Villanova was invited at the start, but delayed entry for a year.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Everyone assuming this is the big one that ends it all. I think that is premature. The ACC will be around for awhile. It may need to expand. The remnants of the Big 12 and PAC need to figure out how to best combine and create the best media package. Those left out of that, will likely connect with the MWC (I can see Oregon State and Washington State being left out, maybe BYU too....plus the schools just added are in a tough spot).

Will they be financially disadvantaged? Yes. But the reality is that cable TV itself is doomed, and so these giant media deals won't last much longer. The USC and UCLA move tracks with national recognition being more important than local markets in a post cable, streaming world. The ACC has great, growing local markets, much better than the B1G or most of the SEC. When "the big one" comes, the stragglers in the SEC and B1G will be cast aside too, and the stronger programs in the other conferences will get an in. We haven't seen that yet. When Northwestern, Rutgers, Vandy and Mississippi State get the boot, then I'll believe the split is coming.

 

[uconnfan68]

In what world does Mississippi warrant 2 seats at the big table?

 

[methodology]

In what world does Mississippi warrant 2 seats at the big table?

Grandfather clause they were already there

 

[uconnfan68]

Grandfather clause they were already there

After the shakeouts?

 

[ToolzieFan]

In what world does Mississippi warrant 2 seats at the big table?

For a minute I thought I was in the Cesspool reading about the U.S. Senate.

 

[traitor71]

I'm sure a lot of people remember the old Strat O Matic baseball game. Well, for a while, they had a college football game as well. When I was a kid I used to love to take the best teams, put them into a "super league" and play it out. It seemed like a pretty good idea back then, now it just seems like it sort of sucks. Yes, there are going to be big matchups, and I expect all the brands that we have grown up watching to have playoff access, but it just isn't going to be as fun as it ever was.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[ThabeetDown]

Everyone assuming this is the big one that ends it all. I think that is premature. The ACC will be around for awhile. It may need to expand. The remnants of the Big 12 and PAC need to figure out how to best combine and create the best media package. Those left out of that, will likely connect with the MWC (I can see Oregon State and Washington State being left out, maybe BYU too....plus the schools just added are in a tough spot).

Will they be financially disadvantaged? Yes. But the reality is that cable TV itself is doomed, and so these giant media deals won't last much longer. The USC and UCLA move tracks with national recognition being more important than local markets in a post cable, streaming world. The ACC has great, growing local markets, much better than the B1G or most of the SEC. When "the big one" comes, the stragglers in the SEC and B1G will be cast aside too, and the stronger programs in the other conferences will get an in. We haven't seen that yet. When Northwestern, Rutgers, Vandy and Mississippi State get the boot, then I'll believe the split is coming.

Some ACC schools (Clemson, FSU, maybe Miami) are going to do everything in their power (aka lawsuits) to get out of their current ACC GOR. The future of that conference will be decided in a courtroom.

Who knows how many years that could take -- I think they'll be able to get out of it within the next 5 years. Notre Dame is their trump card -- but I don't think Notre Dame will never be a full member in the ACC as is. Obviously B10 would like them, and perhaps ND losing their HC to a SEC team will be the straw that breaks the Indy-ND camel's back. They're legally obligated to play 5 ACC teams a year until that 2036 -- hence why they are essentially stuck in the ACC. If ND finds a way to get out of that and into the B10, then the ACC is absolutely doomed. That will be the domino that seals their fate, since a resolution with ND would probably come a lot sooner than the true ACC schools.

With that said, the ACC absolutely needs to be proactive. Outside of snagging WVU (or getting ND in full-time), what school really moves the needle for them to be able to compete? Seems like B12 is poised to get the P12 scraps, so what can the ACC do? Collect some AAC scraps? UConn? That won't help them in this arms race. They are doomed -- it's just a matter of how long until it's over for them, depending on how good their lawyers are...

 

[methodology]

After the shakeouts?

You underestimate southern politics and allegiance. They aren’t going anywhere. SEC is the all powerful and they were in it at the start (both were part of the 10 founding members)

 

[ThabeetDown]

You underestimate southern politics and allegiance. They aren’t going anywhere. SEC is the all powerful and they were in it at the start (both were part of the 10 founding members)

Not to mention that other than maybe Vandy these schools pump in a lot of dollars into everything SEC, and not just football. Look at how much Ole Miss fans spend on Jell-O Shots in Omaha alone...

 

[bendm]

Big 12 Expansion: League To Meet With Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado

A meeting is scheduled between members of the Pac-12 and Big 12 on Tuesday.

www.si.com

 

[Chin Diesel]

The ACC has great, growing local markets, much better than the B1G or most of the SEC.

The B1G has NYC, LA, Chicago, Wash DC. That is 4 of the top 6 markets in the US.

SEC has Atlanta and Houston and will soon add pretty much all of Texas with Longhorns.

ACC has Charlotte and Miami? We know BCU brings nothing in the Boston market.

You can argue the ACC second level markets are better than the SEC second tier markets and you won't get much of a fight from me on it. Difference is SEC owns those markets way more than ACC teams own theirs.

 

[HuskyHawk]

The B1G has NYC, LA, Chicago, Wash DC. That is 4 of the top 6 markets in the US.

SEC has Atlanta and Houston and will soon add pretty much all of Texas with Longhorns.

ACC has Charlotte and Miami? We know BCU brings nothing in the Boston market.

You can argue the ACC second level markets are better than the SEC second tier markets and you won't get much of a fight from me on it. Difference is SEC owns those markets way more than ACC teams own theirs.

Markets don't matter much. The B1G doesn't "have" NYC, because of Rutgers, if anything it's in good shape because Michigan and Ohio State are popular there. Nobody anywhere cares about Rutgers. It certainly will have eyeballs in LA, and dominates in Chicago. DC? Maryland doesn't move the needle in football anywhere. Most of DC is transient people from everywhere.

ACC has some popular programs and its regions are growing rapidly. Nobody "has" Boston for the same reason nobody has NYC or DC. No one or even two teams capture most of the eyeballs. The B1G coverage of Chicago is strong because it has loads of alumni from all the B1G schools. But it honestly doesn't matter. What matters is whether somebody that is not a fan wants to watch a team play. Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Clemson, Alabama, LSA, Texas, USC, Georgia...those all matter.

 

[Hurleyman216]

The BIG could add 1 more team and definitely capture the NY market (and I’m not referring to upstate NY)

 

[uconndogs]

Pure speculation on my part, but I don't think the SEC and BiG are all that worried about FSU, Clemson, etc. They are in those markets and why deal with the friction of bringing those programs in at this point. They have the LA market and I have to believe ND sees the writing on the wall at this point, so they'll be joining.

Once they get the programs that get them the markets they want, so probably 20-22 programs per conference, I think they breakoff from the rest of college football and cut deals based on the premise that they are, without question, premier college football. If you want a national champion then it's from this group. A big playoff format. The money may dwarf what's currently on the table.

......and I think asking what happens to the Miss States and Vandys of the world is a very good question. My guess is that there will be a significant arms race to compete in that world and those guys, over time, may just not be able to make that lift. Again, this is unfettered professional athletics. Dollars will rule.

 

[FlippinCrazy!]

At this point is there any sort of interest in moving to the ACC for us? I mean it is where former BE basketball programs go to die. At the same time, it could make a lot of sense to us, especially after the inevitable exits from Clemson, Miami and FSU, it’d start to look somewhat similar to an old Big East with Duke and UNC replacing a few others. Of course I’d demand a removal of BC though!

Not sure how interested the ACC would be given the current state of our football program. But if there’s one thing for sure, they’d replace BC for us if they could.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Markets don't matter much. The B1G doesn't "have" NYC, because of Rutgers, if anything it's in good shape because Michigan and Ohio State are popular there. Nobody anywhere cares about Rutgers. It certainly will have eyeballs in LA, and dominates in Chicago. DC? Maryland doesn't move the needle in football anywhere. Most of DC is transient people from everywhere.

ACC has some popular programs and its regions are growing rapidly. Nobody "has" Boston for the same reason nobody has NYC or DC. No one or even two teams capture most of the eyeballs. The B1G coverage of Chicago is strong because it has loads of alumni from all the B1G schools. But it honestly doesn't matter. What matters is whether somebody that is not a fan wants to watch a team play. Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Clemson, Alabama, LSA, Texas, USC, Georgia...those all matter.

Weird. Never once did I mention RU. I said the B1G has the NYC market and your confirmed it. Same for the Turtle and DC. Never said the B1G owns DC because of Maryland. I said the B1G has a large market impact there. It does.

 

[FlippinCrazy!]

Markets don't matter much. The B1G doesn't "have" NYC, because of Rutgers, if anything it's in good shape because Michigan and Ohio State are popular there. Nobody anywhere cares about Rutgers. It certainly will have eyeballs in LA, and dominates in Chicago. DC? Maryland doesn't move the needle in football anywhere. Most of DC is transient people from everywhere.

ACC has some popular programs and its regions are growing rapidly. Nobody "has" Boston for the same reason nobody has NYC or DC. No one or even two teams capture most of the eyeballs. The B1G coverage of Chicago is strong because it has loads of alumni from all the B1G schools. But it honestly doesn't matter. What matters is whether somebody that is not a fan wants to watch a team play. Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Clemson, Alabama, LSA, Texas, USC, Georgia...those all matter.

Agreed, big markets really shouldn’t be a big factor for realignment. I live in Boston, and can vouch that no one cares for BC, BU or UMass at all. Hell there’s probably more UConn fans here than any Massachusetts based teams. They only care about pro sports here and honestly I would be the same way if I didn’t go to UConn.

I imagine NY is the same way, especially with it being a large hub of people from all the US.