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Here’s a bombshell

HuskyHawk said:
It is still a much better option than the Big East. That’s the point.
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The Pac has been the weakest major conference in football and basketball and they're losing their most prestigious sports schools. Why would you consider Kansas isn't going to be one of the leftovers and at the same time think they'll end up in the Pac?
 
superjohn said:
The Pac has been the weakest major conference in football and basketball and they're losing their most prestigious sports schools. Why would you consider Kansas isn't going to be one of the leftovers and at the same time think they'll end up in the Pac?
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Washington, Oregon, the Arizona schools, Cal, Stanford, Colorado, Utah + the best Big 12 schools is a pretty decent conference. USC and UCLA have lots of prestige, but actual on field or court performance has been just ok. KU will want some local connection, and barring a B1G or SEC invite, that’s the best option.
 
ZooCougar said:
Actually you don’t get it. The ACC left behinds can accept a settlement or be in court into perpetuity.
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There’s a reason Texas and Oklahoma didn’t move to the SEC right away. This last Big10 poach happened only because the PAC GOR is up next year.
Nobody’s ever tested a GOR in court. The ACC is safe for now, but eventually Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, are all out. They’ll just have to pay if they want to leave early, that’s all.
 
Dean Wormer said:
There’s a reason Texas and Oklahoma didn’t move to the SEC right away. This last Big10 poach happened only because the PAC GOR is up next year.
Nobody’s ever tested a GOR in court. The ACC is safe for now, but eventually Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, are all out. They’ll just have to pay if they want to leave early, that’s all.
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That’s only because it was conveniently expiring in a couple of years. The ACC is different. Look at who is writing the checks.

You have to be idiotic to think anything but the B1G and the SEC is safe.
 
ZooCougar said:
That’s only because it was conveniently expiring in a couple of years. The ACC is different. Look at who is writing the checks.

You have to be idiotic to think anything but the B1G and the SEC is safe.
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It seems pretty obvious the Big 10 and SEC are going to keep adding and will split away from everyone else.
 
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Is there any truth to the rumor that Syracuse is looking to form a new "ACC", the all Canada conference. Hearing the other teams interested are Binghamton, Buffalo, Colgate, Detroit Mercy, and McGill. Boston College was considered, but deemed a geogrpahical outlier and didn't add any additional revenue.
 
Fishy said:
How many negotiated exits from a grant of rights have you see so far? Do you think it’s a coincidence that these huge deals are contingent on the GORs expiring?

There’s zero reason for the ACC to negotiate anyone’s GOR and there’s so much risk for a school committing to leave absent any agreement. We’re talking about the better part of a billion dollars worth of risk.
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Sure. So if FSU, Clemson, Miami bolt for the SEC andUNC, UVA bolt for the Big Ten, it’s going to be a negotiable item. There’s dead weight in the ACC just like the PAC 12.
 


Said it earlier, but only two of the three ACC/Big 12/PAC will survive this. PAC looks like it will be the first dead conference if this happens. Oregon, Washington, and Stanford will find their way to the B1G eventually, but they gotta be scared outta their minds right now if these 4 schools bolt soon.
 
aburks41 said:


Said it earlier, but only two of the three ACC/Big 12/PAC will survive this. PAC looks like it will be the first dead conference if this happens. Oregon, Washington, and Stanford will find their way to the B1G eventually, but they gotta be scared outta their minds right now if these 4 schools bolt soon.
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Those four schools only bolt if Stanford, Washington, and Oregon leave.
 
aburks41 said:


Said it earlier, but only two of the three ACC/Big 12/PAC will survive this. PAC looks like it will be the first dead conference if this happens. Oregon, Washington, and Stanford will find their way to the B1G eventually, but they gotta be scared outta their minds right now if these 4 schools bolt soon.
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Big 12 has wanted the Arizona schools (and Colorado to come back) for a long time. Not sure how this plays out. I don’t think the Big 12 is in any stronger position than the PAC. May regret recent expansion.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Big 12 has wanted the Arizona schools (and Colorado to come back) for a long time. Not sure how this plays out. I don’t think the Big 12 is in any stronger position than the PAC. May regret recent expansion.
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The B12 is Fox's only play to stay in the college football game, right? They have to be extremely motivated to win the B12 vs Pac12 tug of war and I think they will as the PAC 12 is already being devoured by the B1G.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
The B12 is Fox's only play to stay in the college football game, right? They have to be extremely motivated to win the B12 vs Pac12 tug of war and I think they will as the PAC 12 is already being devoured by the B1G.
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Edit: Just googled it and now I think I am wrong. I'm seeing ESPN and Fox have the B12 contract.

I admit I haven't a clue anymore.
 
I've mentioned it one of these threads, I've seen some commentary/analysis also say it.

It's going to be like NFL or MLB. AFC/NFC or American/National. Probably more like NFL with two conferences B1G and SEC, each conference has a few divisions. They have their playoffs within the conference and then the Championship game.
 
Dean Wormer said:
There’s a reason Texas and Oklahoma didn’t move to the SEC right away. This last Big10 poach happened only because the PAC GOR is up next year.
Nobody’s ever tested a GOR in court. The ACC is safe for now, but eventually Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, are all out. They’ll just have to pay if they want to leave early, that’s all.
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Someone correct me if I’m wrong , the GOR ,Is not an Exit Fee , The ACC already has a huge fee. $50,000,000
It’s giving up all future media earnings until it’s expiration date. That’s hundreds of millions of dollars and years your not earning anything. Its a draconian method of preventing people from leaving.This was created after or during the Maryland exit.?
 
superjohn said:
It seems pretty obvious the Big 10 and SEC are going to keep adding and will split away from everyone else.
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I had a short conversation with a neighbor of mine this morning about this. He is retired now but he did hold 2 very high positions in college sports. One with the NCAA itself and one with a conference.
He agreed that it will be the BIG and SEC as super conferences and then there will be everybody else trying to find a home. There will be a lot of raiding of conferences and a lot of big names will be left out. We will all need to sit back and watch how it plays out. Like many of us, he also thinks it’s bad for college sports but that’s just the way it is now.
Football and it’s cable package is obviously driving this and basketball is just luggage under the bus.
Anyone with cable TV will be paying for the super conferences and their TV deals. Our rates will go up in hidden fees from 90 cents to $1.10 or whatever the numbers are to make it work and profitable for them.

We also talked just briefly about the BE and he said there was a time during the conferences heyday when Penn St. and Joe Paterno approached the conference for admission and they were laughed out the door because they were a football school. Our neighborhood golf cart parade started at that point so I didn’t have a chance to follow up with him more on that. Does anyone remember this scenario ? I don’t.
 
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AZHuskiePop said:
Someone correct me if I’m wrong , the GOR ,Is not an Exit Fee , The ACC already has a huge fee. $50,000,000
It’s giving up all future media earnings until it’s expiration date. That’s hundreds of millions of dollars and years your not earning anything. Its a draconian method of preventing people from leaving.This was created after or during the Maryland exit.?
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After. It’s only as good as the will of those to enforce it.
 
Mister P said:
I had a short conversation with a neighbor of mine this morning about this. He is retired now but he did hold 2 very high positions in college sports. One with the NCAA itself and one with a conference.
He agreed that it will be the BIG and SEC as super conferences and then there will be everybody else trying to find a home. There will be a lot of raiding of conferences and a lot of big names will be left out. We will all need to sit back and watch how it plays out. Like many of us, he also thinks it’s bad for college sports but that’s just the way it is now.
Football and it’s cable package is obviously driving this and basketball is just luggage under the bus.
Anyone with cable TV will be paying for the super conferences and their TV deals. Our rates will go up in hidden fees from 90 cents to $1.10 or whatever the numbers are to make it work and profitable for them.

We also talked just briefly about the BE and he said there was a time during the conferences heyday when Penn St. and Joe Paterno approached the conference for admission and they were laughed out the door because they were a football school. Our neighborhood golf cart parade started at that point so I didn’t have a chance to follow up with him more on that. Does anyone remember this scenario ? I don’t.
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I think it was Villanova that blocked Penn State’s entrance. As egregious as it seems today I have no doubt they would have been poached later on.

College Football and it’s money have outgrown the other sports. The B1G and the SEC at least will extricate football from the NCAA. The NCAA will govern whatever is left.

It just kind of sucks because the regional aspects were one of the things most compelling about college football. Now we are basically getting intersectional match ups every weekend and it’s like getting served the best steak every night.

UCLA can’t even fill their stadium for traditional PAC 12 opponents. You think people will turn out in droves for Indiana or Rutgers?

I don’t think of this as realignment. This a consolidation. A consolidation of the highest revenue schools into fewer and fewer conferences. I think they are going to get diminishing returns eventually and even negative returns as fanbase malaise sets in.

As Aaron Torres said: this will just end up as a giant homogenized bore. Which is what college fans generally think of the NFL as.
 
Chin Diesel said:
I've mentioned it one of these threads, I've seen some commentary/analysis also say it.

It's going to be like NFL or MLB. AFC/NFC or American/National. Probably more like NFL with two conferences B1G and SEC, each conference has a few divisions. They have their playoffs within the conference and then the Championship game.
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Sounds terrible
 
syndication.bleacherreport.com

How Penn State Could've Saved Big East Football

Imagine the College Football Playoff beginning next season not with five, but six major conferences. The Big East is still at the table, but not splintered into a basketball version ...
syndication.bleacherreport.com


“By a single vote, the Big East athletic directors turned down Penn State's membership request. Needing six votes to pass, Penn State got five. Three basketball schools—Georgetown, St. John's and Villanova—voted against JoePa's Nittany Lions.”
 
ZooCougar said:
Sounds terrible
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I didn't say I want it to happen or that it would be best solution.

I said I think that is what will happen.
 
ZooCougar said:
I think it was Villanova that blocked Penn State’s entrance. As egregious as it seems today I have no doubt they would have been poached later on.

College Football and it’s money have outgrown the other sports. The B1G and the SEC at least will extricate football from the NCAA. The NCAA will govern whatever is left.

It just kind of sucks because the regional aspects were one of the things most compelling about college football. Now we are basically getting intersectional match ups every weekend and it’s like getting served the best steak every night.

UCLA can’t even fill their stadium for traditional PAC 12 opponents. You think people will turn out in droves for Indiana or Rutgers?

I don’t think of this as realignment. This a consolidation. A consolidation of the highest revenue schools into fewer and fewer conferences. I think they are going to get diminishing returns eventually and even negative returns as fanbase malaise sets in.

As Aaron Torres said: this will just end up as a giant homogenized bore. Which is what college fans generally think of the NFL as.
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Bingo
 
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One of the best ways to fight the ACC GOR in court is to argue the ACC has failed to provide the anticipated revenue to conference members. For instance, members got lower revenue from TV deal than peers at other conferences. Depends on the language used in the contract.
 
ZooCougar said:
I think it was Villanova that blocked Penn State’s entrance. As egregious as it seems today I have no doubt they would have been poached later on.

College Football and it’s money have outgrown the other sports. The B1G and the SEC at least will extricate football from the NCAA. The NCAA will govern whatever is left.

It just kind of sucks because the regional aspects were one of the things most compelling about college football. Now we are basically getting intersectional match ups every weekend and it’s like getting served the best steak every night.

UCLA can’t even fill their stadium for traditional PAC 12 opponents. You think people will turn out in droves for Indiana or Rutgers?

I don’t think of this as realignment. This a consolidation. A consolidation of the highest revenue schools into fewer and fewer conferences. I think they are going to get diminishing returns eventually and even negative returns as fanbase malaise sets in.

As Aaron Torres said: this will just end up as a giant homogenized bore. Which is what college fans generally think of the NFL as.
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Villanova was not yet in the Big East when this first happened in 1978. Penn State had Rutgers and West Virginia aligned with it at the time.

In 1982, when Penn State came up again, it had Maryland as another member as well trying to join.

Syracuse voted them down.

The problem with Penn State is that it wanted a disproportionate cut of any TV revenue at the time.
 
JeepCSC said:
syndication.bleacherreport.com

How Penn State Could've Saved Big East Football

Imagine the College Football Playoff beginning next season not with five, but six major conferences. The Big East is still at the table, but not splintered into a basketball version ...
syndication.bleacherreport.com


“By a single vote, the Big East athletic directors turned down Penn State's membership request. Needing six votes to pass, Penn State got five. Three basketball schools—Georgetown, St. John's and Villanova—voted against JoePa's Nittany Lions.”
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This story by this writer is incorrect on several fronts.

Jake Crouthamel is on record that Syracuse voted against PSU in 1982.

But Penn State was one of the original invites back in 1978 as well before Villanova was involved.
 
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