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Here’s a bombshell

QDOG5 said:
This statement is true. ND can pick which conference it wants to join the only difference this time is ND won't be able to dictate the terms.
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Who are they going to join? The ACC and get left behind in the media rights arms race? The big 12? The Pac 12? No, the “choice” is either the Big Ten or the SEC. Do you see Notre Dame joining the SEC? I don’t either.
 
bendm said:
Are you saying the big10 isn’t interested in also adding UW and oregon etc? I bet they are
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The B1G is not going to incorporate 6 Pac-10 teams. The money is huge but it's finite. All I'm saying is that the Pac10 left behinds are a lot more valuable than the top B12 schools, so they'd be negotiating from a position of strength.

So--ok, fine, give them Oregon and Washington, then look at who remains:

Cal-Berkeley, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona St., Colorado, Utah, Oregon State, Washington State.

I'd take these 8 schools every single day over Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, TCU, Baylor, Kansas St., West Virginia, Iowa State, Cincy, UCF, Houston, BYU.

Kansas is the one I wonder about since their bball has some appeal.
 
CL82 said:
Sort of. The Big Ten receives a premium rate for households within the NYDMA, which includes Fairfield County. they are not getting it for the remaining 2 million people in the rest of the state. (Really, this discussion is more accurate if you talk about households rather than population, I just don’t know those numbers off the top of my head.) So it in Connecticut does give the big 10 a revenue boost. The question is whether that revenue boost is enough to pay for Connecticut getting a share of the rest of the big 10’s income distributions. My guess is probably not.

Fortuitously, that is not the only criteria as the world drifts away from cable TV and moves towards a subscription TV model. There, total fans become important, so that has to be included in modeling the revenue that Connecticut would bring. I’m still not confident that the math works, but it’s not as simple as whether or not every part of the state gets the BTN.
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There are 345,000 households in Fairfield County, which is more since the last time I checked. Added to the Hartford and New Haven dma would rank CT number 21 in size. Think about this. We are the #21 DMA with no professional teams and we are not in a Px conference. Again, we don’t ask for a full share. That’s probably where this is headed anyway. You get paid based on contribution.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Who wants to pick the tipping point when fans decide that college sports is just a minor league for the pros and stop giving a spit about it?
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THIS^^^^^^

With all the greed on all sides, the question has to be asked. Did they lose perspective on what's important to the consumer of this entertainment?

I have already begun watching my football on Sundays at the expense of what I used to watch on Saturdays. I only see that trend continuing. Why do I want to watch minor league professional football when 24 hours later I can watch the best in the world play.

College football, at least in it's previous form was something different and it's certainly not 40 or so minor league pro franchises.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Pure speculation but trying to keep some sense of reality for the B1G.

USC and UCLA are now in the fold. The expansion is done for the time being statement is true but by the time you say the phrase "for the time being" the time being has passed. I think B1g still has eyes out west. Stanford to me is a logical partner for NDU. Another private school with elite academics, great olympic sports and the San Fran TV market. Gives the B1G great private academics with Northwestern, NDU, Stanford and USC.

I think Oregon is in. Phil Knight and Nike aren't sitting around to be left scrambling.

So, if you have Stanford, NDU and Oregon, you need one more. For me this comes down to Arizona or UW. Do you want the Northwest or the Southwest. You can convince me either way but I keep going back to would you rather road trip to Phoenix or Seattle? Where do B1G fans go to retire? Which location has better opportunities for bowl games in December and January?

So, I think the end game is NDU, Stanford, Oregon and UA. If NDU is a no go, I think you can still put in UW and have a Washington, Arizona, Stanford and Oregon grouping and still make it work.

EDIT: Even though I think we are well past the charade, Arizona, Washington, Stanford and Oregon are all AAU members.
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Knight is like 80 years old, no?

These decisions are generational.

Nike's next leadership team has no sentimental ties to Oregon.
 
McLovin said:
People acting like GOR is iron clad are hilarious. Literally nothing is impossible to skirt around.

I haven’t read the ACC contract but here’s an potential work around. The BIG or SEC pays a school $50 mil per year. $5 mil is their media rights, $45 mil is for the conference to us the schools brand / likeness to “market the conference”.

Point is, they will figure out other ways for the money to get to these school in a way that keeps it from the hands of the ACC (if it even still exists in a few years).
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???

The B1G would be losing money here since the payout comes from the TV networks to the conference. The networks don't care if it's for TV or brand or whatever. Who cares?

I don't understand your argument.

Hypothetically, TV gives the B1G $200 for 20 teams, that would mean each team gets $10m. That money gets sent to the ACC.

So if the B1G is doling out money to its new school from the ACC (something it never did for Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland), then the B1G schools are all losing money. For more than a decade.
 
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uconndogs said:
THIS^^^^^^

With all the greed on all sides, the question has to be asked. Did they lose perspective on what's important to the consumer of this entertainment?

I have already begun watching my football on Sundays at the expense of what I used to watch on Saturdays. I only see that trend continuing. Why do I want to watch minor league professional football when 24 hours later I can watch the best in the world play.

College football, at least in it's previous form was something different and it's certainly not 40 or so minor league pro franchises.
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In the south, it will probably always be important
 
McLovin said:
People acting like GOR is iron clad are hilarious. Literally nothing is impossible to skirt around.

I haven’t read the ACC contract but here’s an potential work around. The BIG or SEC pays a school $50 mil per year. $5 mil is their media rights, $45 mil is for the conference to us the schools brand / likeness to “market the conference”.

Point is, they will figure out other ways for the money to get to these school in a way that keeps it from the hands of the ACC (if it even still exists in a few years).
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Get me 11,780 votes
 
I'm surprisingly optimistic about this one.
We are fine where we are - let the chaos reign. If nothing changes, it's still better than the AAC and we'll have better (and better) football games scheduled.
However, I think the B1G is really after DMAs. They now have a monopoly on the #2/#3/#4 DMAs. There are two teams left that, when combined with Rutgers, capture (for all intents and purposes) the #1 DMA - ND and us.
 
uconndogs said:
THIS^^^^^^

With all the greed on all sides, the question has to be asked. Did they lose perspective on what's important to the consumer of this entertainment?

I have already begun watching my football on Sundays at the expense of what I used to watch on Saturdays. I only see that trend continuing. Why do I want to watch minor league professional football when 24 hours later I can watch the best in the world play.

College football, at least in it's previous form was something different and it's certainly not 40 or so minor league pro franchises.
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I agree they've lost perspective but I'm guessing you watch UConn basketball since you post here. Why do you want to watch minor league professional basketball when there's 30 NBA teams with the best in the world playing?
 
Skiblets said:
BIG

Like your posts typically. Dislike your sense of entitlement here. Get over yourself and do the work,
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cheez and crackers man! it was meant to be tongue in cheek, tho im prolly wrong on that since
What is a shark's tongue called?
A shark's tongue is called a basihyal. A basihyal is a small, thick, relatively immovable piece of cartilage that is found on the floor of the mouth of sharks and fishes.
so, basically useless. kinda like sum attempts here at humor. now, leave me alone. we got an intervention going on in another thread where some confoosed soul is actually contemplating driving from here to Baltimore for an overnighter. crazy, right? right?
i guess that one could say, when the almost inevitable traffic mess hits them, that they could while away the hours stuck in the car, chatting aboot conference realignment...
 
If ACC schools want to negotiate out of GOR, why not sign with Big 10 and agree to not get television revenue share up until 2035. So remaining ACC schools get nothing until then, and that would be a negotiating point between the leaving schools and the ACC.

Some schools joining new leagues have agreed to smaller payouts for a while (think Rutgers did that with Big 10).

Not sure how GOR written but if for example Miami wanted out of ACC and would cancel football program would they be required to pay ACC anything through 2035.
 
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upstater said:
Knight is like 80 years old, no?

These decisions are generational.

Nike's next leadership team has no sentimental ties to Oregon.
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He's 84. You think Nike is going to just abandon Oregon when he dies?

Not going to happen.
 
CL82 said:
Sort of. The Big Ten receives a premium rate for households within the NYDMA, which includes Fairfield County. they are not getting it for the remaining 2 million people in the rest of the state. (Really, this discussion is more accurate if you talk about households rather than population, I just don’t know those numbers off the top of my head.) So adding Connecticut does give the big 10 a potential revenue boost. The question is whether that revenue boost is enough to pay for Connecticut getting a share of the rest of the Big 10’s income distributions. My guess is probably not.

Fortuitously, that is not the only criteria as the world drifts away from cable TV and moves towards a subscription TV model. There, total fans become important, so that has to be included in modeling the revenue that Connecticut would bring. I’m still not confident that the math works, but it’s not as simple as whether or not every part of the state gets the BTN.
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Thanks. Stated much more eloquently than me! I would just add that we use Hulu and get BTN in northern NJ. but not when I am in Fla.

Just trying to point out that just because Ct has an affluent population IMO if an agreement doesn’t bring enough NEW eyeballs it’s prob not worth to add Uconn
 
upstater said:
Knight is like 80 years old, no?

These decisions are generational.

Nike's next leadership team has no sentimental ties to Oregon.
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I'll take your word on his age. Not going to Google it. But these are exactly the type of legacy leaving donations old wealthy people make to keep their name relevant after they depart the earth.
 
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Husky68 said:
If ACC schools want to negotiate out of GOR, why not sign with Big 10 and agree to not get television revenue share up until 2035. So remaining ACC schools get nothing until then, and that would be a negotiating point between the leaving schools and the ACC.

Some schools joining new leagues have agreed to smaller payouts for a while (think Rutgers did that with Big 10).

Not sure how GOR written but if for example Miami wanted out of ACC and would cancel football program would they be required to pay ACC anything through 2035.
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lol….it doesn’t work that way.

If your plan to get out of the GOR is to cancel your football program or forgo rights revenue for 14 years, you’re getting fired and frog marched out of the athletic department.
 
ThabeetDown said:
Exactly. There is ZERO chance the ACC stays intact until 2037. It won't even keep all its members until 2027. Clemson/FSU and probably Miami will be in the SEC within the next 5 years and there is nothing the ACC can do about it.
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There is every chance that the ACC stays intact and very little chance Miami, FSU or Clemson joins the SEC in 5 years. Why would ESPN wreck the ACC so that they can pay triple the amount they current pay for those three schools?

You guys do know that the networks make these decisions, right?
 
Fishy said:
There is every chance that the ACC stays intact and very little chance Miami, FSU or Clemson joins the SEC in 5 years. Why would ESPN wreck the ACC so that they can pay triple the amount they current pay for those three schools?
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There’s a lot of wishful thinking because everyone wants to see the ACC raided.
 
upstater said:
he B1G is not going to incorporate 6 Pac-10 teams. The money is huge but it's finite. All I'm saying is that the Pac10 left behinds are a lot more valuable than the top B12 schools, so they'd be negotiating from a position of strength.
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my argument was based on the premise that the big10 would land at 20 teams thereby becoming the "superconference" always foretold.

but otherwise i agree, if the big10 pauses and waits to see what ND does before accepted anyone else, then the PAC needs to be proactive as they should still have the upper hand in a pillaging battle with the big12. having said that i dont think they care to add any big12 schools so theyre probably just going to sit still, whither, and die.

the big12 on the other hand is definitely clamoring for the likes of colorado utah, and arizona.

i think the two crippled leagues need to just merge and beat the big10/sec to creating a superconference comprised of the 22 western teams not names usc, ucla, ut and ou.
 
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uconnric said:
With the money and prestige on the table, the GOR will be a negotiated exit for teams leaving the ACC.
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How many negotiated exits from a grant of rights have you see so far? Do you think it’s a coincidence that these huge deals are contingent on the GORs expiring?

There’s zero reason for the ACC to negotiate anyone’s GOR and there’s so much risk for a school committing to leave absent any agreement. We’re talking about the better part of a billion dollars worth of risk.
 
Fishy said:
There is every chance that the ACC stays intact and very little chance Miami, FSU or Clemson joins the SEC in 5 years. Why would ESPN wreck the ACC so that they can pay triple the amount they current pay for those three schools?

You guys do know that the networks make these decisions, right?
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There is Zero chance that UConn will go back to the Big East.
 
Fishy said:
lol….it doesn’t work that way.

If your plan to get out of the GOR is to cancel your football program or forgo rights revenue for 14 years, you’re getting fired and frog marched out of the athletic department.
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How about they launder their media rights and the schools get their share under a different account? Would that work? Just being sarcastic because the cartel is one notch above a criminal enterprise anyway
 
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