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Arya and Sansa had childhood issues, and Littlefinger is the best manipulator of humans in the Game. These complaints sound more like fandom disappointment that the expected ships didn't work out as hoped.
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Neither of them are the people they were. There is no way that Arya would see that message from Sansa as anything but the obvious Lannister extortion it was. It's not believable. It's not believable that Littlefinger planting it wouldn't come up or that Arya would actually harm Sansa.
 
Because she wants to ride John. You cannot screw on a dragon. It's why she waited too.

Are there any other tough questions you need help with? Maybe I can explain to you how Tormund intends to make babies with Brienne?
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If you cant screw on a Dragon you are not a true Targaryen. God you are such a noob. You are also an apologist for mediocrity.

LOL we watched scene by scene rapings of continuity and story telling integrity last night and pretty much all season.We are asked to suspend our disbelief in a way over the top manner. And you want to draw the line of "realism" at "Derp I dont think you can screw on the back of a dragon, herpy derp" .
 
Because a horse with two people on it doesn't run as fast a horse with one person on it. Duh. Keep on with the brilliant critiques though.

#HigherStandards
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But still runs much faster than a shambling, stumbling zombie army marching through the snow.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Neither of them are the people they were. There is no way that Arya would see that message from Sansa as anything but the obvious Lannister extortion it was. It's not believable. It's not believable that Littlefinger planting it wouldn't come up or that Arya would actually harm Sansa.
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I have toyed with the notion they are play acting, but it is completely believable that two sisters who despised each other as children revert back to children in their adult relationship. People don't have just one personality. They live multiple roles with different people throughout their lives and become the person they used to be upon reunions.

Arya and Sansa hated each other, and Arya always felt like she was judged harshly by others in comparison to Sansa. Then she watches her father die and shows up at the Riverlands to see her family army slaughtered right after her mother and brother died. I imagine psychologists would label that childhood trauma. And yet you and everyone else think she will just have a magical relationship as an adult with the sister she despised.

What's more believable---a well adjusted faceless killer or a faceless killer with childhood issues? Anyone?
 
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I have toyed with the notion they are play acting, but it is completely believable that two sisters who despised each other as children revert back to children in their adult relationship. People don't have just one personality. They live multiple roles with different people throughout their lives and become the person they used to be upon reunions.

Arya and Sansa hated each other, and Arya always felt like she was judged harshly by others in comparison to Sansa. Then she watches her father die and shows up at the Riverlands to see her family army slaughtered right after her mother and brother died. I imagine psychologists would label that childhood trauma. And yet you and everyone else think she will just have a magical relationship as an adult with the sister she despised.

What's more believable---a well adjusted faceless killer or a faceless killer with childhood issues? Anyone?
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Arya was right to hate Sansa before any of this ever started, and she is even more right now.

Sansa is a terrible, terrible human being. Always has been. She was terrible to her whole family growing up. A spoiled whiny (insert the Hounds favorite word that begins with a C***)
 
August_West said:
Arya was right to hate Sansa before any of this ever started, and she is even more right now.

Sansa is a terrible, terrible human being. Always has been. She was terrible to her whole family growing up. A spoiled whiny (insert the Hounds favorite word that begins with a C***)
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Lol you are still fixated on Sansa being Season 1 Sansa.
 
August_West said:
If you cant screw on a Dragon you are not a true Targaryen. God you are such a noob. You are also an apologist for mediocrity.

LOL we watched scene by scene rapings of continuity and story telling integrity last night and pretty much all season.We are asked to suspend our disbelief in a way over the top manner. And you want to draw the line of "realism" at "Derp I dont think you can screw on the back of a dragon, herpy derp" .
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You dance with the one that brought you. In HBO's case, that is GRRM, who decided to have a seven book series and to stuff most of the events that drive the main storyline into the last book. If you didn't figure out in advance that that would require a change in pacing and continuity when put on screen, . . . Well that sucks for you because everything is relative to expectations.

Some of us were smarter.
 
I have toyed with the notion they are play acting, but it is completely believable that two sisters who despised each other as children revert back to children in their adult relationship. People don't have just one personality. They live multiple roles with different people throughout their lives and become the person they used to be upon reunions.

Arya and Sansa hated each other, and Arya always felt like she was judged harshly by others in comparison to Sansa. Then she watches her father die and shows up at the Riverlands to see her family army slaughtered right after her mother and brother died. I imagine psychologists would label that childhood trauma. And yet you and everyone else think she will just have a magical relationship as an adult with the sister she despised.

What's more believable---a well adjusted faceless killer or a faceless killer with childhood issues? Anyone?
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We can agree that LFs plot is going to be found out and lead to his demise and given the Scooby Doo like writing lately, having the girls be on to it makes the most sense.

Arya has to at least be on to it, and is maybe testing Sansa but, if Tormund lives last night then there is zero chance of Stark on Stark violence.

My best guess is that this ends up mirroring Ned's bargain with LF coming back to bite him. Don't discount the Scooby Soo reveal by Bran to the Sisters about how that went down or what is going down.
 
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August_West said:
She still is. Always has been.
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She's shown the most growth out of almost any character. She knows how naive she was as a kid and the romantic version of ruling has been shattered for her. She's seen some ish, you can't tell me that hasn't changed her perspective. Shockingly, the 13 year old just needed to grow up.
 
CTMike said:
She's shown the most growth out of almost any character. She knows how naive she was as a kid and the romantic version of ruling has been shattered for her. She's seen some ish, you can't tell me that hasn't changed her perspective. Shockingly, the 13 year old just needed to grow up.
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At her core she still has the same naked ambition and ego for being in charge. Thats why Arya keeps saying to her " Youre thinking it"
 
SubbaBub said:
We can agree that LFs plot is going to be found out and lead to his demise and given the Scooby Doo like writing lately, having the girls be on to it makes the most sense.

Arya has to at least be on to it, and is maybe testing Sansa but, if Tormund lives last night then there is zero chance of Stark on Stark violence.

My best guess is that this ends up mirroring Ned's bargain with LF coming back to bite him. Don't discount the Scooby Soo reveal by Bran to the Sisters about how that went down or what is going down.
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I rate a Bran Reveal as more likely than Play Acting right now. His complete absence in the penultimate episode means he will have a good amount of story time in the finale.
 
You dance with the one that brought you. In HBO's case, that is GRRM, who decided to have a seven book series and to stuff most of the events that drive the main storyline into the last book. If you didn't figure out in advance that that would require a change in pacing and continuity when put on screen, . . . Well that sucks for you because everything is relative to expectations.

Some of us were smarter.
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There is a difference between fast pacing and impossibility.

Dany losing her fleet one episode after getting it is fast pacing. Dany and Jon becoming allies in 2 episodes without any time for them to actually develop a relationship is quick pacing.

These are things that had to happen and would have happened anyway, we just don't have enough screen time to let them develop and I'm ok with them rushing stuff like this to wrap it all up.

A guy running a marathon to the wall, a raven flying from Eastwatch to Dragonstone, 3 dragons flying from dragonstone to north of the wall in a span of less than a day is impossible and ridiculous.
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
There is a difference between fast pacing and impossibility.

Dany losing her fleet one episode after getting it is fast pacing. Dany and Jon becoming allies in 2 episodes without any time for them to actually develop a relationship is quick pacing.

These are things that had to happen and would have happened anyway, we just don't have enough screen time to let them develop and I'm ok with them rushing stuff like this to wrap it all up.

A guy running a marathon to the wall, a raven flying from Eastwatch to Dragonstone, 3 dragons flying from dragonstone to north of the wall in a span of less than a day is impossible and ridiculous.
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Who said it all happened in a day?
 
August_West said:
At her core she still has the same naked ambition and ego for being in charge. Thats why Arya keeps saying to her " Youre thinking it"
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So what. So she likes power. So does just about everyone else. Shes not abusing the power. Shes isn't doing anything stupid with the power. Why is it so horrible that she admires power?

She isn't even wrongfully grasping for it. She let Jon be in charge and now that hes gone she is taking over just as he asked.

Sansa has changed. Deal with it. She made a lot of great points in her argument with Arya and definitely won that exchange.
 
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HuskiesAllDay said:
So what. So she likes power. So does just about everyone else. Shes not abusing the power. Shes isn't doing anything stupid with the power. Why is it so horrible that she admires power?

She isn't even wrongfully grasping for it. She let Jon be in charge and now that hes gone she is taking over just as he asked.

Sansa has changed. Deal with it. She made a lot of great points in her argument with Arya and definitely won that exchange.
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Nope. She is still thinking about how she can undercut Jon. Arya knows it and is calling her on it. Sansa hasnt changed. She just has some scars that have calloused her true being.
 
August_West said:
Nope. She is still thinking about how she can undercut Jon. Arya knows it and is calling her on it. Sansa hasnt changed. She just has some scars that have calloused her true being.
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What has happened to indicate that she is thinking of undercutting Jon?
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
What has happened to indicate that she is thinking of undercutting Jon?
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If anything she acknowledges that Jon is better at it. She's trying to hold everything together until he gets back.
 
August_West said:
At her core she still has the same naked ambition and ego for being in charge. Thats why Arya keeps saying to her " Youre thinking it"
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Arya says that because the last time they spent time together, she was the naive little girl that she remembers. Arya has no idea what Sansa has been through since.
 
so Littlefinger got Brienne to clear out so that Sansa has no one looking over her (except him)?
 
bballgrda said:
Let's use our dragons to fly away and escape from the guy throwing lances at a rate of about 1 per 5 minutes when dragonfire and a flying dragon is the one thing that could kill him at the present moment and we've just discussed how killing him could completely end the march of the dead and solve the central plot problem of next season's 6 episodes
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Biggest plot hole going. They coulda warded that one off by have an ice spear gatling gone of sorts (lol) or at least all the white walkers tossing endless spears in succession.
 
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John said:
so Littlefinger got Brienne to clear out so that Sansa has no one looking over her (except him)?
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This did confuse me. The preceding conversation was that Brienne would defend Sansa and Arya. Does this mean that Sansa doesn't want her around to defend Arya or that she doesn't want her around to muck up their rouse?
 
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