GoT Season Seven

[August_West]

The only reason the show isn't dismissed as complete trash this season is we are getting 6 seasons worth of payoff for 6 seasons worth of great character development and stroryline. Take away every reunion and every character interaction we've all pined for for 6 seasons and the show is pretty much the suck.

 

[CTMike]

Where'd NK get those battleship anchor chains to drag the dragon from the water?

I can't take credit for this... but they went to Hardhome Depot.

 

[CTMike]

What was the rationale for two short seasons? I feel like a lot of problems would be sorted out if there were a few more episodes to let storylines breathe.

 

[Deepster]

The critiques of why they've done to this show are endless.

6+ seasons of being warned about a harsh winter......and Dany flies around in an light wool autumn jacket.

God, what have they done to this show?!

 

[Scalito]

The only reason the show isn't dismissed as complete trash this season is we are getting 6 seasons worth of payoff for 6 seasons worth of great character development and stroryline. Take away every reunion and every character interaction we've all pined for for 6 seasons and the show is pretty much the suck.

You pretty much suck.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Fun and eventful episode for all it's flaws and inconsistencies. The brightest spot was the banter among the dream team up north. Some comic gold there. Low point was the ridiculous Arya vs Sansa arguments. Ice dragon was cool, even if the magically appearing anchor chain was ridiculous. No worse than the magically appearing Uncle with a horse I suppose. Dream team 1, Night King 1.

The writers are blowing a chance for some great Arya - Sansa action here. What should have happened was Sansa opening up about being tortured by Joffrey and sold like meat to Tyrion, then being essentially sold by Littlefinger to an even more sadistic bastard Bolton. That mention...would trigger Arya to say...Littlefinger? But he's the one who hid this letter. The two of them would put it together, and watching them destroy Littlefinger would be highly satisfying for everyone but the most ardent Arby's patrons.

P.S. Loved that Dany said Jon was too little for her. That was classic. I think the writers have been reading this thread.

 

[August_West]

You pretty much suck.

I get that the stupid among us who are enthralled by shiny things think its great. The intelligent long for a higher standard.

You are like a Turkey who needs marbles put in a bowl of water so you dont die of thirst.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Let's use our dragons to fly away and escape from the guy throwing lances at a rate of about 1 per 5 minutes when dragonfire and a flying dragon is the one thing that could kill him at the present moment and we've just discussed how killing him could completely end the march of the dead and solve the central plot problem of next season's 6 episodes

To be fair, Dany doesn't know that killing him will wipe out the other wites. I'm sure it will come up in battle strategy meetings next episode.

 

[CTMike]

The brightest spot was the banter among the dream team up north. Some comic gold there.

Tormund talking about making babies with Brienne had me rolling.

 

[Scalito]

Fun and eventful episode for all it's flaws and inconsistencies. The brightest spot was the banter among the dream team up north. Some comic gold there. Low point was the ridiculous Arya vs Sansa arguments. Ice dragon was cool, even if the magically appearing anchor chain was ridiculous. No worse than the magically appearing Uncle with a horse I suppose. Dream team 1, Night King 1.

The writers are blowing a chance for some great Arya - Sansa action here. What should have happened was Sansa opening up about being tortured by Joffrey and sold like meat to Tyrion, then being essentially sold by Littlefinger to an even more sadistic bastard Bolton. That mention...would trigger Arya to say...Littlefinger? But he's the one who hid this letter. The two of them would put it together, and watching them destroy Littlefinger would be highly satisfying for everyone but the most ardent Arby's patrons.

P.S. Loved that Dany said Jon was too little for her. That was classic. I think the writers have been reading this thread.

Arya and Sansa had childhood issues, and Littlefinger is the best manipulator of humans in the Game. These complaints sound more like fandom disappointment that the expected ships didn't work out as hoped.

 

[Scalito]

To be fair, Dany doesn't know that killing him will wipe out the other wites. I'm sure it will come up in battle strategy meetings next episode.

I don't think dragon fire kills the Knight King. He just walks through the stuff. He needs to be killed the way he was made.

 

[Scalito]

I get that the stupid among us who are enthralled by shiny things think its great. The intelligent long for a higher standard.

You are like a Turkey who needs marbles put in a bowl of water so you dont die of thirst.

You're right about one thing. I don't long for higher standards in my movie or television viewing. I long for entertainment, and that there episode was one of the most entertaining from start to finish.

 

[August_West]

You're right.

same as it ever was.

I know.

 

[SubbaBub]

Gendry runs back to eastwatch , raven flies from wall to dragon stone, Danny flies back in 3 minutes.

Show has jumped the shark.


Arya abused Sansa tgat whole episode. She needs to cut her to complete the job

Yeah, they by rights should have starved or frozen to death. Forget the incredibly patient undead zombies smart enough to stop at the thin ice but dumb enough to need a rock skipping across it before realizing they can go a few at a time.

And it is confirmed that ALL Westerosi can breathe underwater and that only some wrights can scuba dive.

The really did blow all their money of FX this season. They did correctly assume that we all just want to get to the end, but it will be a Lost ending instead of the MASH ending.

And I think Sansa and Arys are play acting to nab Littlefinger.

 

[CTMike]

Daenerys dies. If there was any doubt, the whole succession thing cements it.

Jon is definitely the succession plan.

 

[August_West]

Benjen may have been the dumbest thing in an episode of head scratching.

He comes out of nowhere for Jon and then gives Jon a horse (a horse that can easily fit two people) and says "there is no time". What?


If there was no time, why just grab Jon initially and putting him on the horse with you?

 

[August_West]

This sums up the pacing of the series.

 

[Scalito]

Benjen may have been the dumbest thing in an episode of head scratching.

He comes out of nowhere for Jon and then gives Jon a horse (a horse that can easily fit two people) and says "there is no time". What?


If there was no time, why just grab Jon initially and putting him on the horse with you?

Because a horse with two people on it doesn't run as fast a horse with one person on it. Duh. Keep on with the brilliant critiques though.

#HigherStandards

 

[SubbaBub]

It was more like a day. That was one of the less controversial teleportations in recent episodes.

It seemed like more than a day hike out from the Eastwatch. If it were that short, you should have been able to see them from the top of the wall, or at least they would have known the peak that the Hound saw in the fire as that was clearly their destination. They are also apparently out of horses.

But assume they started in the predawn and landed on GRRM island about 14 hours later. It has to take Gendry the roughly same amount of time to get back or at least 8 hours. You then need a day at least for the raven and a day for the Dragon to reach them. That is three days on that island minimum and we are being TV generous with that.

Make it a larger version on the fist of the first men, or better yet a natural Helms Deep situation where they cut off the access behind them. The siege of River Run was more realistic.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

The critiques of why they've done to this show are endless.

6+ seasons of being warned about a harsh winter.and Dany flies around in an light wool autumn jacket.

God, what have they done to this show?!

I feel like this episode seriously devalued the white walkers and AOD army too.

For 6 seasons they have been this ominous threat that are we are told to be terrified of. Then in their brief appearances, they live up to that and are truly terrifying.

In Hardhome they were unstoppable, unpredictable, rapidly moving around, jumping off cliffs, climbing over each other. Slaughtering people left and right.

In this episode they were mowed down like they were nothing. In the surprise attack, they kill them all easily (Except the one of course). Jon also easily killed the WW.

Then in the epic showdown after clearly being much faster than the gang by running ahead of the group encircling them (which was cool), they were so slow when they attacked. They all died with one hit and seemed like your average zombie rather than the ravenous psychos they were in previous seasons.

Are we supposed to believe that this unstoppable army was mowed down by 6 guys??

I was thinking ahead after the episode about what comes next and the inevitable WW march toward/past the wall. And I couldn't help but thinking that the threat seems completely watered down now. We just saw what 6 guys could do to the army. It doesn't seem that unwinnable of a war if they march against them with the North/Dany's army.

The episode was cool, but it really diminished the WW/AOD in my opinion.

 

[Scalito]

Yeah, they by rights should have starved or frozen to death. Forget the incredibly patient undead zombies smart enough to stop at the thin ice but dumb enough to need a rock skipping across it before realizing they can go a few at a time.

And it is confirmed that ALL Westerosi can breathe underwater and that only some wrights can scuba dive.

The really did blow all their money of FX this season. They did correctly assume that we all just want to get to the end, but it will be a Lost ending instead of the MASH ending.

And I think Sansa and Arys are play acting to nab Littlefinger.

Jesus. You people cannot follow a story and then complain because "I don't get it." The dead did not initially stop and then later attack because they didn't know how to cross individually until the stone was thrown. The ice got thicker because stuff gets colder when the White Walkers are around. Once they realized it was now thick enough, they crossed en masse.

 

[Scalito]

I feel like this episode seriously devalued the white walkers and AOD army too.

For 6 seasons they have been this ominous threat that are we are told to be terrified of. Then in their brief appearances, they live up to that and are truly terrifying.

In Hardhome they were unstoppable, unpredictable, rapidly moving around, jumping off cliffs, climbing over each other. Slaughtering people left and right.

In this episode they were mowed down like they were nothing. In the surprise attack, they kill them all easily (Except the one of course). Jon also easily killed the WW.

Then in the epic showdown after clearly being much faster than the gang by running ahead of the group encircling them (which was cool), they were so slow when they attacked. They all died with one hit and seemed like your average zombie rather than the ravenous psychos they were in previous seasons.

Are we supposed to believe that this unstoppable army was mowed down by 6 guys??

I was thinking ahead after the episode about what comes next and the inevitable WW march toward/past the wall. And I couldn't help but thinking that the threat seems completely watered down now. We just saw what 6 guys could do to the army. It doesn't seem that unwinnable of a war if they march against them with the North/Dany's army.

The episode was cool, but it really diminished the WW/AOD in my opinion.

I thought the opposite. Forever we have known what the Onion Knight finally figured out---there are three dragons that would fight against the dead and burn em to crisps. Kind of anticlimactic. Now we know the Ice King can take dragons out and he has an Undead Dragon of his own. Seems like a fairer fight all of a sudden.

P.s. Those were the best fighters all put together with the knowledge and means to fight the White Walkers. Clearly, someone was gonna have to figure out how to kill them eventually. That knowledge was gained and acted upon. Does it make the White Walkers seem less invincible? Well, yeah, that is what happens when you learn the mysteries of the mysterious enemy.

 

[August_West]

Why is Dany on a boat now?

Why didnt she ride the Dragon back to DragonStone? Wouldnt that be safer? Why do they make such a big deal of her needing to be safe all the time and then put her in a more dangerous position?

dumb.

 

[Scalito]

Jon is definitely the succession plan.

I am going to be so happy when Danny dies.

 

[Scalito]

Why is Dany on a boat now?

Why didnt she ride the Dragon back to DragonStone? Wouldnt that be safer? Why do they make such a big deal of her needing to be safe all the time and then put her in a more dangerous position?

dumb.

Because she wants to ride John. You cannot screw on a dragon. It's why she waited too.

Are there any other tough questions you need help with? Maybe I can explain to you how Tormund intends to make babies with Brienne?