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GoT Season Seven

HuskiesAllDay said:
Why do they need Cersei's help/alliance? Why do they care if she believes the AoD is coming? Dany wants the throne and Cersei cant do anything to stop her at this point. So what use is Cersei to them as a strategic partner?
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I imagine some of the plan is to 1) use all available forces, ie the Lannister Army and 2) to keep Cersie and said armies occupied, so she can't further cement herself or even attack from behind.

Does he not know Cersei better than anyone? Even IF they somehow needed Cersei's help, does Tyrion expect her to believe them? Clearly she will assume its some clever trick or will dismiss it altogether. Even IF she does believe them. does Tyrion really expect her to act as an honorable ally? Again, why do they even need her in the first place???
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I don't think it's a stretch for her. She's got an essentially undead protector of her own in the Mountain. Whether she cares or not is another story.

I think Tyrion will be expecting a double cross.

the plan is to just capture one somehow and then run back? They don't take any horses? What is the plan to subdue it? Will it survive the journey to KL?
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It's not alive bro.

I think the plan is to capture a White (resurrected corpse). Not a White Walker, which would be impossible.
 
intlzncster said:
I imagine some of the plan is to 1) use all available forces, ie the Lannister Army and 2) to keep Cersie and said armies occupied, so she can't further cement herself or even attack from behind.



I don't think it's a stretch for her. She's got an essentially undead protector of her own in the Mountain. Whether she cares or not is another story.

I think Tyrion will be expecting a double cross.



It's not alive bro.

I think the plan is to capture a White (resurrected corpse). Not a White Walker, which would be impossible.
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maybe Cersie takes a look at this sample White and thinks of it as one of a million unrecruited soldiers for her Lannister army?
 
Excalibur said:
My understanding is that the walkers can't pass, but the resurrected dead folks can.
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The dead cannot pass according to Uncle Benjen. That's why he doesn't follow Bran after bringing him to the Wall. Of course, a dead man attacked Mormount in Castle Black, so something is off between Benjen's claim and that fact.
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
The whole wight capture plot is pretty ridiculous.

It has created one heck of an awesome team. And it will make for an awesome episode.

But it doesn't really make any sense.

Why do they need Cersei's help/alliance? Why do they care if she believes the AoD is coming? Dany wants the throne and Cersei cant do anything to stop her at this point. So what use is Cersei to them as a strategic partner?

Is the show going to continue to ruin Tyrion? After all his strategic mis-steps this season, this is his plan? Does he not know Cersei better than anyone? Even IF they somehow needed Cersei's help, does Tyrion expect her to believe them? Clearly she will assume its some clever trick or will dismiss it altogether. Even IF she does believe them. does Tyrion really expect her to act as an honorable ally? Again, why do they even need her in the first place???

Seems like Tyrion has gone the way of LF and Varys in that he went from a critical character and strategic genius to an "i'm also still here" character. Although LF has an opportunity at redemption with the new Arya plotline. tbd there.

The plan itself is so dumb too. Take a few guys and head out to face a 50k strong army of zombies and the plan is to just capture one somehow and then run back? They don't take any horses? What is the plan to subdue it? Will it survive the journey to KL?

I try not to get upset by the time and distance inconsistencies as I realize they have to wrap this all up. But this plan, I don't know. I'm pretty excited for the episode, but it all seems pretty dumb and illogical. It all seems forced as a way to get these characters together for whatever reason and to give us a whitewalker battle/scene to fill the season quota to remind us they are still coming before they actually come next season.
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(1) It is a dumb storyline.

(2) Coulda been less dumb if needed to convince Dany.

(3) If they had expedited things by flying a dragon there it makes it a little more worth the effort and time and advances the plot in an important way by getting Johnny on a dragon.
 
They have nowhere to go - surrounded on all sides by water, or a magical wall that keeps them at bay. The only thing they can do is wander the north looking for free folk to fill there ranks until the stalemate is broken, presumably.
 
Deepster said:
A co-worker just brought this one up. With all the illogical time travelling in the last 8-10 episodes, Davos whipping around from Dragonstone to the Wall to Kings Landing, etc.....how come the white walkers aren't where they need to be already? They're dead so they can just walk nonstop. They don't get tired. Don't need to eat. Yet, they've marched and marched and marched while Varys travels wherever he wants in a blip.
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Yeah, like White Walkers would have gps built into their cell phones.
 
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intlzncster said:
I'm on board with this too. The chained dragon scene in Mereen nailed that home for me. Partly cause I want it to be so.

The bold would imply that Tywin was also purposely harboring a bastard Targaryen which is something I never really thought about. Playing the long game to overthrow Baratheon.
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Tyrion is a Targ . . . in the Books. No doubt in my mind there. Tywin reportedly resigned as Aegon's Hand when Aegon refused to marry Rhygaer to Cersei, but the real reason is Aegon raped Tywin's wife (we know the Mad King raped his own wife and there is a hint I cannot recall indicating he enjoyed looking at Tywin's wife). Tywin also reportedly only really ever loved his wife (his feelings for his kids was always self love), which explains why he didn't kill a dwarf of uncertain parentage and yet refused to make Tyrion heir of the Rock.

Throw in all the dragon love from Tyrion at a young age, some eye coloring that is more Targ than Lannister, and the need for a 3rd Targ according to Maester Aemon ("the dragon must have 3 heads), and there you have it. Almost as good as R+L=J.

All that said . . . doubt it happens on the show.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Yes, she's fooled. She thinks that Littlefinger is hiding evidence that Sansa once wanted her family to bend the knee for Joffrey. Well duh? This isn't news to Arya. I don't think it will have the intended effect.
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Well the final touch was him making sure he was heard saying "Lady Stark thanks you" so Arya thinks he got it for Sansa so Sansa could do what she wanted with the evidence.

One potential option is that Arya confronts Sansa, who says she hated that monster and admits she was a stupid girl. Then Sansa asks where she got the note. Arya reveals how she found it and they both know Littlefinger is trying to stir dissent. That's how I see it going down actually.
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Or Arya knows that if Sansa didn't want the raven note out anymore she would have it destroyed by Baelish or brought directly to her, not have Baelish be a needless middle-man
 
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Is there any question that John Snow is going to hitch up with the dragon queen.
 
The dead cannot pass according to Uncle Benjen. That's why he doesn't follow Bran after bringing him to the Wall. Of course, a dead man attacked Mormount in Castle Black, so something is off between Benjen's claim and that fact.
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There are always going to be plot problems when magic gets too important to the story.
 
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temery said:
Where is the picture from. If it's a spoiler, not say.
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Note the dark hair on Emilia. Not a spoiler. Magazine shoot. Rolling Stone I think.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Note the dark hair on Emilia. Not a spoiler. Magazine shoot. Rolling Stone I think.
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That's why I asked. Blonde isn't really my thing, but she pulls it off beautifully.
 
temery said:
That's why I asked. Blonde isn't really my thing, but she pulls it off beautifully.
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I actually think she looks much better with her natural hair color.
 
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One thing I was wondering (and google shows there’s fan theories about this) relates to Qyburn and Zombie Mountain. Seems that Qyburn was able to raise the Mountain from the dead, similar to white walkers. Could Qyburn have a secret to turn the white walkers to the Lannister’s advantage through his mad science?
 
John said:
One thing I was wondering (and google shows there’s fan theories about this) relates to Qyburn and Zombie Mountain. Seems that Qyburn was able to raise the Mountain from the dead, similar to white walkers. Could Qyburn have a secret to turn the white walkers to the Lannister’s advantage through his mad science?
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Yeah, but it took Qyburn from the trial by combat all the way through Cersie's walk of atonement to bring zombie mountain to life.... Night's King raised thousands at once by raising his hands up
 
Sect 212 said:
Yeah, but it took Qyburn from the trial by combat all the way through Cersie's walk of atonement to bring zombie mountain to life.... Night's King raised thousands at once by raising his hands up
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how about if Qyburn reanimates a dead dragon killed by one of his arrows?

Ice dragon
 
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HuskyHawk said:
The only downside really is that Tormund says Jon is micro-peened, and we know that Dany was "broken in" by Khal Drogo, who I'm going to guess, is probably the opposite.
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Astute observation. I concur this is problematic.
 
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