GoT Season Seven

[Sect 212]

(1) The third dragon rider is one of the hardest predictions to defend with real substance, but Tyrion is my guy for 3 reasons. First, I think there's a very strong chance that in the books Tyrion will be proven to be a Targaryean rather than a Lannister. Second, in both the books and the show they emphasize how much Tyrion has always loved dragons since he was a little boy when he wanted to ride one. Third, he is the best and most beloved character on the show.

(2) I think the show is working on a big Stark Reunion and don't expect any real infighting there. They really don't have enough episodes to fight each other and the dead.

I don't think that Tyrion will be a rider. The books made reference that Aegon and his sisters could ride the dragons because of their dragon blood. Dany has dragon blood. But in season 1 Tyrion got burnt by candle wax when playing a game with Shae.... He's a wimp when it comes to heat.

 

[SAMCRO]

 

[coachcap]

I don't think that Tyrion will be a rider. The books made reference that Aegon and his sisters could ride the dragons because of their dragon blood. Dany has dragon blood. But in season 1 Tyrion got burnt by candle wax when playing a game with Shae.... He's a wimp when it comes to heat.

but,but, but, he drinks & he knows things....

 

[CTMike]

Lmao

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I am pretty close to rooting for Cersei. She is a B and is not that bright, but she is at least playing to win. I am definitely a swing vote at this point.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

I am pretty close to rooting for Cersei. She is a B and is not that bright, but she is at least playing to win. I am definitely a swing vote at this point.

Why do you think she isn't bright? She seems to be playing the game as well/effectively as anyone.

Seen a lot of things said about Cersei, but dumb isn't usually one of them,

 

[John]

Why do you think she isn't bright? She seems to be playing the game as well/effectively as anyone.

Seen a lot of things said about Cersei, but dumb isn't usually one of them,

she's too clever by half.

 

[Scalito]

Why do you think she isn't bright? She seems to be playing the game as well/effectively as anyone.

Seen a lot of things said about Cersei, but dumb isn't usually one of them,

She alienated the Tyrells for no reason. The whole Walk of Shame, the death of her youngest son, were all brought about by her stupid reconstitution of the Church's army in order to ensnare Maergery Tyrell. Margery, the wife of her son and the key to her victory over Stannis on the Blackwater.

Woman is ruthless, and dumb.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

She alienated the Tyrells for no reason. The whole Walk of Shame, the death of her youngest son, were all brought about by her stupid reconstitution of the Church's army in order to ensnare Maergery Tyrell. Margery, the wife of her son and the key to her victory over Stannis on the Blackwater.

Woman is ruthless, and dumb.

Cersei also let Ned get executed, which wasn't that bright, especially when the Baratheon brothers were ascendant and the Lannisters desperately needed allies. Renly was going to win until Stannis sent demon baby at him (this still bugs me 5 years later because I hate when magic is used for key plot twists). Cersei got lucky when:

A) Stannis killed Renly
B) Robb Stark gave Walder Frey the finger by marrying a hotter woman than Walder's granddaughter. This is a plot problem for me because Robb was so under control and even a hedonist like Robert Baratheon had enough self control to actually marry the person he was supposed to marry. So why couldn't Robb?
C) Tywin got to Kings Landing just in time to save her at the Battle of the Blackwater. In the books, this was Edmure Tully's fault.

 

[Excalibur]

She alienated the Tyrells for no reason. The whole Walk of Shame, the death of her youngest son, were all brought about by her stupid reconstitution of the Church's army in order to ensnare Maergery Tyrell. Margery, the wife of her son and the key to her victory over Stannis on the Blackwater.

Woman is ruthless, and dumb.

The books are filled with lines about how Cersei is bright but lacks judgment, especially when angry. Littlefinger says at one point that she fancies herself a player but is really just a piece in the Game. But, as we can already see, the showrunners are going to bail her out and make her seem more cunning than she is in order to make the remaining story interesting.

 

[businesslawyer]

Cersei also let Ned get executed, which wasn't that bright, especially when the Baratheon brothers were ascendant and the Lannisters desperately needed allies. Renly was going to win until Stannis sent demon baby at him (this still bugs me 5 years later because I hate when magic is used for key plot twists). Cersei got lucky when:

A) Stannis killed Renly
B) Robb Stark gave Walder Frey the finger by marrying a hotter woman than Walder's granddaughter. This is a plot problem for me because Robb was so under control and even a hedonist like Robert Baratheon had enough self control to actually marry the person he was supposed to marry. So why couldn't Robb?
C) Tywin got to Kings Landing just in time to save her at the Battle of the Blackwater. In the books, this was Edmure Tully's fault.

In fairness, she didn't exactly "let" Ned get executed. She offered Ned herself to be a team player on her team (which I would have taken), and then tried to spare him except for her idiot son acting Trump-like and ignoring all advice and doing whatever comes to mind.

 

[Scalito]

The books are filled with lines about how Cersei is bright but lacks judgment, especially when angry. Littlefinger says at one point that she fancies herself a player but is really just a piece in the Game. But, as we can already see, the showrunners are going to bail her out and make her seem more cunning than she is in order to make the remaining story interesting.

The two smartest players in the Game depend on Cersei's stupidity in the book. Remember the end of the last book when Varys assassinates Cersei's Uncle? He explicitly does it because the Uncle is too competent. He wants Cersei in charge, creating chaos.

 

[August_West]

(1) The third dragon rider is one of the hardest predictions to defend with real substance, but Tyrion is my guy for 3 reasons. First, I think there's a very strong chance that in the books Tyrion will be proven to be a Targaryean rather than a Lannister. Second, in both the books and the show they emphasize how much Tyrion has always loved dragons since he was a little boy when he wanted to ride one. Third, he is the best and most beloved character on the show.

(2) I think the show is working on a big Stark Reunion and don't expect any real infighting there. They really don't have enough episodes to fight each other and the dead.

3rd dragon ride = night king

 

[SubbaBub]

This GOT, at least one of the dragons has to die. My money is on the green one.

Cersei has to go too, but by whose hand?

 

[August_West]

This GOT, at least one of the dragons has to die. My money is on the green one.

Cersei has to go too, but by whose hand?

Jamie will complete his baby face turn

 

[HuskyHawk]

The two smartest players in the Game depend on Cersei's stupidity in the book. Remember the end of the last book when Varys assassinates Cersei's Uncle? He explicitly does it because the Uncle is too competent. He wants Cersei in charge, creating chaos.

Almost nobody in this show has an ounce of sense. They all have made multiple mistakes. It wouldn't be interesting otherwise.

 

[John]

one thing is bugging me - if Elleria/Sand Snake are the gift that Euron spoke of to Cersie, then are we to believe it was Euron's blind luck that had him stumble onto Asher's fleet as it was sailing to Dorn? Or is there a spy in Dany's midst that told Euron that the fleet with sailing to Dorn? Does Euron also know of the army sailing to Casterleigh Rock?

 

[SubbaBub]

one thing is bugging me - if Elleria/Sand Snake are the gift that Euron spoke of to Cersie, then are we to believe it was Euron's blind luck that had him stumble onto Asher's fleet as it was sailing to Dorn? Or is there a spy in Dany's midst that told Euron that the fleet with sailing to Dorn? Does Euron also know of the army sailing to Casterleigh Rock?

They knew Dany landed at Dragonstone and that she was preparing to invade with the Dornish and Greyjoy exiles as her allies.

Euron was there specifically looking for Yara's fleet. Cersei called in Euron for that purpose.

Euron was likely looking for Tyrion but the term prize wasn't necessarily him specifically. The busted rebel fleet could have been just a good as proof of his worth. The snakes I'm sure are a bonus.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

one thing is bugging me - if Elleria/Sand Snake are the gift that Euron spoke of to Cersie, then are we to believe it was Euron's blind luck that had him stumble onto Asher's fleet as it was sailing to Dorn? Or is there a spy in Dany's midst that told Euron that the fleet with sailing to Dorn? Does Euron also know of the army sailing to Casterleigh Rock?

The plot hole is not how Euron found Yara's fleet, but how Yara and the rest didn't know that Euron had seen them. I know Game of Thrones jumps around the timeline, but assuming that Euron approached Kings Landing while Yara's fleet was at Dragonstone, it would have been hard for them not to be aware of each other's presence, since Dragonstone sits at the mouth of Blackwater Bay.

 

[John]

They knew Dany landed at Dragonstone and that she was preparing to invade with the Dornish and Greyjoy exiles as her allies.

Euron was there specifically looking for Yara's fleet. Cersei called in Euron for that purpose.

Euron was likely looking for Tyrion but the term prize wasn't necessarily him specifically. The busted rebel fleet could have been just a good as proof of his worth. The snakes I'm sure are a bonus.

sorry, meant Yara. She's Asher in the books (not sure why they changed her name)

 

[MilliniumPrince]

They knew Dany landed at Dragonstone and that she was preparing to invade with the Dornish and Greyjoy exiles as her allies.

Euron was there specifically looking for Yara's fleet. Cersei called in Euron for that purpose.

Euron was likely looking for Tyrion but the term prize wasn't necessarily him specifically. The busted rebel fleet could have been just a good as proof of his worth. The snakes I'm sure are a bonus.

I think the "prize" is delivering the woman who killed the Queen's Daughter. They know Tyrion is the Hand of the Queen and therefore unlikely to be far from Danny. I think he found the exact prize for which he was searching.

 

[Deepster]

This GOT, at least one of the dragons has to die. My money is on the green one.

Cersei has to go too, but by whose hand?

I always figured it was Arya using the "face mask" of Jamie. There's a clip in the season trailer where Jamie and Cersei are kissing passionately and I'm kinda banking that may actually be Arya and when it all goes down.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

I always figured it was Arya using the "face mask" of Jamie. There's a clip in the season trailer where Jamie and Cersei are kissing passionately and I'm kinda banking that may actually be Arya and when it all goes down.

I think Arya is going to kill a prominent female character, but I don't think it will be Cersei. I think she kills Sansa, if my theory of Sansa double-crossing Jon holds up (which it most certainly will not).

 

[John]

The plot hole is not how Euron found Yara's fleet, but how Yara and the rest didn't know that Euron had seen them. I know Game of Thrones jumps around the timeline, but assuming that Euron approached Kings Landing while Yara's fleet was at Dragonstone, it would have been hard for them not to be aware of each other's presence, since Dragonstone sits at the mouth of Blackwater Bay.

did you get the vibe from the previews for next week that the invasion of Casterliegh Rock doesn't go well?

 

[Excalibur]

did you get the vibe from the previews for next week that the invasion of Casterliegh Rock doesn't go well?

Yes -- there was a line about knowing that we're coming or something to that effect. Things have to go poorly for Dany at first -- otherwise she has no incentive to align with Jon Snow without forcing him to bend the knee, which he likely will not do.