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GoT Season Seven

August_West said:
You guys bring up something that gnaws at me in regards to Dany and Sansa. I think there is an evil side to both that are emerging for us to see. That may be Martins final statement. That absolute power corrupts absolutely.

You can see Tyrion bristling at some of Dany's decisions already. He keeps mentioning her fathers insanity to her as a way of getting her to think, and so far shes been pretty compliant to Tyrions counsel but you can see her getting a taste for blood. She does have a pretty decent ruthless streak that may become more developed.

Sansa. This first episode is a hard turning point in Sansa's storyline that has been mildly at play since her escape from Ramsay. Sansa is a vindictive bitch who wants to make people suffer. She made victim noises for 5.5 seasons and has finally snapped. It was all right in front of us. Her questioning Jon. Her preferring Revenge to common sense in the case of the Umbers and Karstarks. And most of all that little bit about her talking about Cersei and saying "I learned alot from her" . Sansa is BECOMING Cersei.

And if you need anymore proof I saw this on twitter yesterday, do you think it is coincidence in that in the exact scene where Sansa talks about "I learned alot from her" that she is looking like this?

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Well Sansa was essentially sold to different men, one of whom was an insane sadist who raped her repeatedly. So yeah, she's a bit bitter and vindictive. She's been twisted and wants payback. She cares about little else I suspect. Littlefinger gave her to Ramsey. He's alive because she needs him...for now. She an Arya are both dangerous as hell right now. The Stark girls revenge tour could claim quite a body count by the end.

Dany was sold by her brother became a queen and then was taken prisoner and debased again. But being the mother of dragons, grew stronger from it. She has no tolerance for oppressors however, and so they may feel her wrath. It isn't irrational though. Or cruel. She's trying to do the right thing.
 
HuskyHawk said:
You sell Dany short. She was worthless, but she's learned well. You have to give her props for burning up all the Dothraki leaders and walking out alive (and naked). She keeps getting better at this, just as Jon does.
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Danny was only there because she blows with the wind. Her ambition since Season One has been to reclaim the Iron Throne, and all she has done since is bounce from place to place across the ocean. It was forgivable in the beginning, but how many seasons did she waste because she decided "she would do what queens do and rule" in Mereen? Why was she conquering Mereen in the first place? The character is an oaf whose only saving grace is the narrator's favor.
 
Deepster said:
Upon a rewatch, the scene with Arya and the young Lannister soldiers was phenomenal.
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The scene was fine -- possibly a realization for Arya that soldiers are just people doing the job they are hired to do and a reminder of the value of life. Adding Ed Sheeran to that was really tacky.
 
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Deepster said:
Upon a rewatch, the scene with Arya and the young Lannister soldiers was phenomenal.
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That scene has me worried that my glorious assassin is embarking on a newer, tamer character arc. If Arya mellows, Ima gonna feel cheated. I like her bloodthirsty revenge, and it is nice to finally see a Stark fight back with competence.
 
Excalibur said:
The scene was fine -- possibly a realization for Arya that soldiers are just people doing the job they are hired to do and a reminder of the value of life. Adding Ed Sheeran to that was really tacky.
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Another Ed Sheeran drama queen. A celebrity does a cameo in GoT and everyone slits their wrist. Remember when Lawrence Taylor and Frank Sinatra Jr. did cameos on the Sopranos?
 
Deepster said:
Upon a rewatch, the scene with Arya and the young Lannister soldiers was phenomenal.
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Excalibur said:
The scene was fine -- possibly a realization for Arya that soldiers are just people doing the job they are hired to do and a reminder of the value of life.
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Kept thinking of this:

 
OneTrickPony said:
With attachments or without...?

Spartacus would have a lot of Ned in him...but with a wiser wife who got him out of King's Landing and into a great old castle by the Wall just as a record summer was coming...I'm thinking she looks a bit like Rob's wife, but she attended the Citadel disguised as a boy and learned all their secrets...she's hooked up with your wife, a gypsy princess, and they sell dragonglass crystals at Minstrel shows where her husband, a pretty fair hand on the lute, sells potent herbal potions behind the tent between sets...
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Ned was a good cat. He gets a bum rap for "losing" the GoT when in fact he consciously chose not to play. He put his honor first and never bent. I can respect that in much the same way I enjoy Littlefinger's ruthless ladder climb. Unlike Danny, those two knew what was important to them and acted accordingly at all times.
 
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Spartacus said:
Ned was a good cat. He gets a bum rap for "losing" the GoT when in fact he consciously chose not to play. He put his honor first and never bent. I can respect that in much the same way I enjoy Littlefinger's ruthless ladder climb. Unlike Danny, those two knew what was important to them and acted accordingly at all times.
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I thought you didn't respect stupidity though. Because putting your honor first is stupid .
 
Spartacus said:
Ned was a good cat. He gets a bum rap for "losing" the GoT when in fact he consciously chose not to play. He put his honor first and never bent. I can respect that in much the same way I enjoy Littlefinger's ruthless ladder climb. Unlike Danny, those two knew what was important to them and acted accordingly at all times.
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Ned was a self-righteous jerk that had it coming. He rubbed Jamie's nose in his kingslaying every chance he got, and even mocked Jamie for "choosing his opponents wisely". He shows up at Kings Landing and promptly tells everyone what screwups they were, pissing everyone off. He was playing the game by getting his dying best friend to sign a note under false pretenses, and then, when handed the 7 Kingdoms by Renly, Ned says "no, I'm good", and walks into the Throne Room alone. He was even a jackass in flashbacks, showing up at the Tower of Joy and giving the two Kingsguard a lecture on duty rather than trying a "let's let bygones be bygones" approach.

Or maybe he was subconsciously suicidal after being married to that stupid harpy for 16 years.
 
intlzncster said:
I thought you didn't respect stupidity though. Because putting your honor first is stupid .
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You might as well just start cheering for Littlefinger to win the throne then. Why pull for the fair-weather men of honor when you you have a man of honest guile playing?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Ned was a self-righteous jerk that had it coming. He rubbed Jamie's nose in his kingslaying every chance he got, and even mocked Jamie for "choosing his opponents wisely". He shows up at Kings Landing and promptly tells everyone what screwups they were, pissing everyone off. He was playing the game by getting his dying best friend to sign a note under false pretenses, and then, when handed the 7 Kingdoms by Renly, Ned says "no, I'm good", and walks into the Throne Room alone. He was even a jackass in flashbacks, showing up at the Tower of Joy and giving the two Kingsguard a lecture on duty rather than trying a "let's let bygones be bygones" approach.

Or maybe he was subconsciously suicidal after being married to that stupid harpy for 16 years.
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Jaime pushed a child out of a window. Do people forget that? It seems like they do, but the man deserved Ned's disdain. He is just a sister-f------ with a winning personality.
 
Spartacus said:
You might as well just start cheering for Littlefinger to win the throne then. Why pull for the fair-weather men of honor when you you have a man of honest guile playing?
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It'll come as no surprise that I'm a Tyrion/Bron guy. That's my team. I don't care who sits on that stupid uncomfortable a ss throne, as long as my guys are in the mix. And living properly.

I'm a Hound guy too. A proper misanthrope.
 
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I'm just sad that Tormund is most likely going to die soon. I read somewhere recently that the show creators never intended the Tormund/Brienne subplot; that Tormund's original staredown of Brienne was ad-libbed. That makes it even more likely to me that the love story never gets fleshed put before one of them dies.
 
Spartacus said:
That scene has me worried that my glorious assassin is embarking on a newer, tamer character arc. If Arya mellows, Ima gonna feel cheated. I like her bloodthirsty revenge, and it is nice to finally see a Stark fight back with competence.
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Maybe I took something else away from that scene. A girl, of slight build, willingly joins 6-7 soldiers, who would probably have things on their mind regarding her. She then tells them she's going to kill the queen that they work for and waits for a reaction. She knows she can take them one on seven if need be. They treat her well, so, she responds in kind. But if one of them so much as twitched at assaulting her, they'd all be dead.
 
August_West said:
Put a patch over his eye and then Yes, perfect.
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I thought he was described as brash and pig faced in the books. If I am remembering it correctly, then the casting seems fine though the performance was a little too juvenile Eddie Haskel than a dangerous are captain. He came across daintier than Captain Morgan.

Somewhere the Sand Snakes are breathing easier.
 
August_West said:
Well there you have it. Melisandre and probably Davos at minimum know about Gendrys parentage.
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Littlefinger also knows. Ned told a lot of people about Cersei and her kids. Robert was known to have many bastard. The idea that some survive won't shock anyone. The idea of a Bastard getting elevated to ruler of the seven kingdoms isn't going to gain much traction. Especially when the ruling house is dead and only held the thrones for a few decades.

No one is going to support a Gendry claim unless he is leading the rebellion. I would think any birthright claim at this point is bill and void without the army to back it up.
 
intlzncster said:
It'll come as no surprise that I'm a Tyrion/Bron guy. That's my team. I don't care who sits on that stupid uncomfortable a ss throne, as long as my guys are in the mix. And living properly.

I'm a Hound guy too. A proper misanthrope.
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I'd go for "Tyrion's Angels". Tyrion calling the shots with Daeneris, Misandei and the youngest Sand Snake on the team.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Maybe I took something else away from that scene. A girl, of slight build, willingly joins 6-7 soldiers, who would probably have things on their mind regarding her. She then tells them she's going to kill the queen that they work for and waits for a reaction. She knows she can take them one on seven if need be. They treat her well, so, she responds in kind. But if one of them so much as twitched at assaulting her, they'd all be dead.
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We're on the same page as to that specific scene, but it could represent the beginning of a new evolution in Arya too. Right now Arya is a pitiless killer glorying in revenge. Recognizing her enemies' humanity is dangerous to that role.
 
Spartacus said:
We're on the same page as to that specific scene, but it could represent the beginning of a new evolution in Arya too. Right now Arya is a pitiless killer glorying in revenge. Recognizing her enemies' humanity is dangerous to that role.
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Or that scene shows Arya's descent into full blown sociopath as she slaughters them anyway. We will find out soon enough.
 
August_West said:
Lets make that list. Ill start.

1. Sansa
2. Sansa
3.
4. Sansa
5.
6.
7. Sansa
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You need to get over it. She's been dumb, but is mostly a victim of the two nastiest characters who have appeared on the show. Kill list

1. Ramsay
2. Joffrey
3. Cersei
4. Stannis (for sacrificing his daughter to the red god)
5. Melisandre (for talking him into it)
6. Viserys
7. Robert Baratheon (for screwing over Ned)

And it goes on a long time before we get to Sansa, who doesn't deserve death, but rather to become a fixture at Grateful Dead tribute band shows, where she snorts derisively and says "Jerry was so much better than you".
 
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