GoT Season Seven

[HuskiesAllDay]

Does anyone else think Arya will use her faceless man skills and become Jaime to kill Cersei?

Fills the prophecy as she gets killed by her brother, and Arya adheres to her list.

What a crazy scene that would be. The shock of seeing Jaime kill Cersei. And then realizing its Arya and not Jaime. Nuts.

 

[Scalito]

There has to be a Lannister spy in Danni's midst. She & Tyrion laid out their battle strategy in the map room. All of their moves to date have been counterpointed. Is Varys using the raven express to his advantage? (Hence Melisandre's forewarning that he's fated to die at Dragonstone) I Tyrion being a true Lannister? Is Missandei scheming behind Danni's back? Something is amiss.

The show is trying to make you think something is amiss because the conclusion is such a foregone conclusion. One side took Casterly Rock and the other Highgarden. If it weren't for expectations, it's a wash. The Tyrells never even brought the full loyalty of Tyrell bannerman, and the Dornish haven't fought a single battle. Nor have the Riverlands or the Stormlords.

This thing is over. Even the big victories are just skirmishes. Danny's forces---the Unsullied, Dothraki and Dragons---are all undefeated. Nobodies who needed killing + the rotting corpse of House Tyrell are gone. Big whoop. The Lannisters cannot even defend their home.

 

[Scalito]

Plus Tyrion's judgement has been bad, for example: misjudging the strategic importance of Casterly Rock.

Who told us it lacked strategic importance? Jamie Lannister, who has never won bupkiss. That doesn't mean he is right.

 

[August_West]

I couldn't tell if Jamie was angry with Euron for discussing sex with his sister or because he hadn't thought of using his finger like that. I am guessing the latter.

That golden finger will tarnish.

 

[coachcap]

The show is trying to make you think something is amiss because the conclusion is such a foregone conclusion. One side took Casterly Rock and the other Highgarden. If it weren't for expectations, it's a wash. The Tyrells never even brought the full loyalty of Tyrell bannerman, and the Dornish haven't fought a single battle. Nor have the Riverlands or the Stormlords.

This thing is over. Even the big victories are just skirmishes. Danny's forces---the Unsullied, Dothraki and Dragons---are all undefeated. Nobodies who needed killing + the rotting corpse of House Tyrell are gone. Big whoop. The Lannisters cannot even defend their home.

The Unsullied may be undefeated, but it's a pyrrhic victory as Euron has destroyed their means of egress & they are stuck on Casterly Rock. They might as well be under siege themselves.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Who told us it lacked strategic importance? Jamie Lannister, who has never won bupkiss. That doesn't mean he is right.

It was important because the Iron Bank was about to shut Cersei down, and now she should be able to pay them off.

But strategically, look at the map. Highgarden is pretty useless down in the south-west. It was never fortified, because nobody wanted it. Danny is perched just off-shore of King's Landing. Dorne is to its south. Littlefinger (for now) is on board and holds The Vale. RiverRun should revert back to the Tullys. The Twins are up for grab. Winterfell is back with the Starks.

The Lannisters just retreated entirely out of any position north of Kings Landing. They've got the Iron Islands with Euron I suppose, but it's useless. They are bottled in.

 

[Scalito]

It was important because the Iron Bank was about to shut Cersei down, and now she should be able to pay them off.

But strategically, look at the map. Highgarden is pretty useless down in the south-west. It was never fortified, because nobody wanted it. Danny is perched just off-shore of King's Landing. Dorne is to its south. Littlefinger (for now) is on board and holds The Vale. RiverRun should revert back to the Tullys. The Twins are up for grab. Winterfell is back with the Starks.

The Lannisters just retreated entirely out of any position north of Kings Landing. They've got the Iron Islands with Euron I suppose, but it's useless. They are bottled in.

Doesn't the map show that Casterly Rock isn't an island? The Unsullied can just march east.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Doesn't the map show that Casterly Rock isn't an island? The Unsullied can just march east.

Yes. But will need to abandon the castle they just lost a lot of men and ships taking. Dany effectively has no navy at this point. How are the Dothraki even getting off dragonstone?

 

[Scalito]

Yes. But will need to abandon the castle they just lost a lot of men and ships taking. Dany effectively has no navy at this point. How are the Dothraki even getting off dragonstone?

She doesn't need an ocean-going fleet for that. There is a ferry that makes a run twice a day.

 

[intlzncster]

Before I jump into the discussion....are people talking about fleshed out internet theories? Or about the preview to the coming episode?

I don't want to know about either.

 

[Scalito]

Before I jump into the discussion....are people talking about fleshed out internet theories? Or about the preview to the coming episode?

I don't want to know about either.

No one has spoken about next week's previews or fleshed out internet theories. They did talk about previews last week, and the same happened the week before. I expect it will happen again sooner or later.

 

[intlzncster]

No one has spoken about next week's previews or fleshed out internet theories. They did talk about previews last week, and the same happened the week before. I expect it will happen again sooner or later.

Thanks, I will be sure to avoid them. These people have no imagination. Or the ability for delayed gratification. Losers.

 

[intlzncster]

Dany threatening to burn Varys alive. There has always been the possibility of her being insane but with more and more foreshadowing, I truly think she will be the Mad Queen. Is this an obvious take? For whatever reason, I never seriously thought she would turn bad.

Would love it if that happened.

 

[intlzncster]

Bran is annoying.

3 eyed raven man. show some respect. Bran is no more.

 

[intlzncster]

I did like the exchange between Olenna and Jamie, but it bugs me that Olenna wouldn't have seen Tarly coming a mile away and made him a better deal. Maybe she just didn't care anymore.

What could she possibly offer better than being HOK?

 

[intlzncster]

She spent a lot of seasons being "for the people" and now she's all "I've never met you but I demand you bend the knee". Would have liked her to handle the meeting with a little more savvy. Jon should have handled it better too.

Jon's scared sh#@tless right now. For good reason. Don't think he cares about anything but dead people.

 

[intlzncster]

Tyrion is getting his ass handed to him.

Cersei outwitted him on the water and Jaime ate his lunch at casterly rock.

I thought tyrion was supposed to be the smart Lannister

Euron outwitted him. Cersei had nothing to do with that. Euron took off talking of a gift....and delivered.

 

[intlzncster]

I would like to know why the Knights of the Vale are sticking around too, but to answer that you need to know what Littlefinger is plotting. His behavior is odd. The last time civil war broke out, he was beaming from camp to camp, meeting with all the players and brokering deals to his advantage. Now he is just . . . giving advice to Sansa.

No siree. Makes no sense.

You give Littlefinger too much credit. Yes, he's very clever. But his overarching goal is not the crown, it's Sansa's box. He's not sticking around for anything else.

He's the anti-August.

 

[intlzncster]

Starting to wonder if Dany will start holding Tyrion responsible for any of these disasters

I hope so. Want Tyrion to start drinking again. NEED Tyrion to start drinking again.

Need more Bron too.

 

[intlzncster]

You would think that the ending was given away when Melisandre noted that Danny and Snow being together was the meeting of fire and ice, harking back to the name of the series. On the other hand, if the author and producers want to prank us, the head of the White Walkers could marry Cersei and they could kill everyone and rule together.

By the way -- Jamie seems to have gotten over his distaste for his sister's mass murder. Forgive and forget I always say.

She must be the best in bed in the 7 kingdoms. There's no other explanation. She's got an abysmal personality. Cold as freakin ice.

 

[intlzncster]

I couldn't tell if Jamie was angry with Euron for discussing sex with his sister or because he hadn't thought of using his finger like that. I am guessing the latter.

Absolutely LOVED that move by Euron. Such a better match for Cersei than Jaime.

 

[intlzncster]

I agree that the whole "bend the knee" speech from Danny seemed out of character. Suddenly she's acting like her brother, full of entitlement.
She did back off a bit, but she's not the queen of anything at the moment and needs to earn loyalty rather than demanding it.

Jon is such a blunt instrument. His caveman-like performance didn't help. Fortunately Davos did a little better, but come on Jon, do a little selling. Shake the hips...bring out your inner Elvis. If he had 1/4 of Euron's flair he'd be golden.

What's with Sam Tarley? I believe that the ArchMaester didn't randomly assign him some crappy scrolls and books to translate, but instead selected everything he has on the white walkers and other information Sam will need. There's a reason he's on screen so much.

Cersei's torture was indeed worse than any I could think of, proving Olenna right. At least she got in her jab, which also let Jamie realize that his brother was innocent (as was Sansa). That wrinkle may yet play a role. Glad Jamie let her die with dignity.

Sansa gained 40 IQ points almost overnight. The interactions with Bran, who could explain a bit better, and Littlefinger, were both odd. Littlefinger's comment about preparing for every possible outcome was interesting in theory, but impossible in practice. The general point was valid though. Bran needs to start providing some useful intel, or he's no damned use at all.

Bran spends most of his time in the spirit world. I don't know why everyone expects him to be an encyclopedia. Picture the most fried, acid washed hippie from the 60's. That's Bran at his absolute most lucid.

 

[intlzncster]

On your last point, blood runs deep.

Blood runs deep? Or more likely men don't care if they're getting some?

And here I thought Zoo was saying that Jaime is hung.

I make some disturbing mental leaps at times.

 

[intlzncster]

My biggest problem is (as has been mentioned briefly): doesn't anyone do any proper scouting? I mean, it's not that hard to gather at least SOME intel that would clue you into what others are doing. And for gods sake, why are Varys's little birds so f ing useless when it comes to logistical and tactical matters? Makes zero sense.

 

[intlzncster]

The show is trying to make you think something is amiss because the conclusion is such a foregone conclusion. One side took Casterly Rock and the other Highgarden. If it weren't for expectations, it's a wash.

Might be over, but that is NOT a wash. The Lannisters' (and the realm's) vaults are currently empty. While the Tyrells were extremely cashed up. The Lannisters are now replenished. This is why Cersei told the Iron Bank she needed two weeks.