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I'm excited about the mix of freakish athletes and good handles that we've gotten in the past few classes. I think Dawn has been revising her recruiting strategy. Obviously, you want it all in one package but that isn't always the case. In the past she seemed to value elite athleticism over shooting skills. I think now she's trying to find a good mix of both so that she has bench and lineup options to provide elite defense and offense.
 
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To add to this.. Dawn has been trying to get shooters on this team for years.

She went after:
Troup in 2017 (actually committed but transferred to Missouri almost immediately)
Nicolletti in 2018
Howard in 2018
Bueckers in 2020
Johnson in 2020
PaoPao in 2020
Campbell in 2020
Fudd in 2021
Risch in 2023

..that's just a few that I can think of. I'm sure we offered other very good shooters that ended up at other schools. Point being, it's not like SC getting pure shooters on campus finally is due to lack of trying.
Exactly! We’ve always recruited them but couldn’t land any until this current cycle. Had Dawn landed some prior ones then we could’ve been even more successful than we are now and that’s saying a lot! Having accurate shooter will go a long way and with the way teams struggle to keep us off the boards it’s going to be even tougher when they can’t sag.
 

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Can Beal shoot the 3pt shot at a 40% clip? Is she capable of that? Just asking.



Anyone watch the latest presser from Dawn? She said that they won't hold back Chloe Kitts this season. She will play and is travelling with the team!

Say what? She is gonna play next semester?
 
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Can Beal shoot the 3pt shot at a 40% clip? Is she capable of that? Just asking.





Say what? She is gonna play next semester?
Yes, Beal can possibly shoot in the 35-40% range from 3. She’s at 36% now but that’s only 9 for 25 in 10 games. She still often just passes off on offense and doesn’t look to take her own shot. This season the Gamecocks need for her to be a scoring threat more than anytime she’s been in Columbia.

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Dawn certainly is talking like she’s going to use Kitts. Chloe’s already eligible to play which is why she made the trip to SD and was in uniform. I think she should be redshirting but maybe she’ll play and ends up being impactful.
 
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Can Beal shoot the 3pt shot at a 40% clip? Is she capable of that? Just asking.





Say what? She is gonna play next semester?
SC is already the favorite to win the title. Why waste an entire year of eligibility so Kitts can play some minor minutes? I know SC needs shooters, but there's no reason that should not have already been addressed with ALL that talent on the bench. If Dawn needed shooters she could get them. IMO, Dawn should be able to coach that team comfortably to a national title without Kitts.
 
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No shock to anyone who pays attention, but I am less than a fan of any player graduating high school in December and joining the team mid year like this. I already think it's a bit much when HS football players graduate in December and come to campus in January so they can do spring practice.

I mean, let the kids be kids for a bit. One of my HS classmates played SEC football (not MSU or Ole Miss) and played a few years in the NFL (not an All Pro or full time starter but saw action and had a roster spot 4 or 5 seasons). We graduated high school in May and he didn't leave for college until summer.

This isn't done for the kids, it's done for the coaches and the never ending machine. No wonder so many student athletes are burned out and frustrated. However, I'm just going to keep eating my Werther's Originals and looking at retirement home brochures because my thoughts won't change a thing.
 
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Exactly! We’ve always recruited them but couldn’t land any until this current cycle. Had Dawn landed some prior ones then we could’ve been even more successful than we are now and that’s saying a lot! Having accurate shooter will go a long way and with the way teams struggle to keep us off the boards it’s going to be even tougher when they can’t sag.
Or less successful. Sometimes a style fits a program and Coach.

That's just contrariness though. My favorite team remains the one that didn't get to play it out.
 
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SC is already the favorite to win the title. Why waste an entire year of eligibility so Kitts can play some minor minutes? I know SC needs shooters, but there's no reason that should not have already been addressed with ALL that talent on the bench. If Dawn needed shooters she could get them. IMO, Dawn should be able to coach that team comfortably to a national title without Kitts.

I do not think Dawn's quotes actually say she's going to play her much and having watched her teams all these years it would be a surprise.

Also Kitts is a low volume perimeter shooter and will be trying to pick things up midseason while the team is prepping and traveling for games.

I don't see why she'd play except in garbage time abd I feel like that's a poor use of a year of eligibility and a little unfair to the very good players ahead of her who don't get big minutes.
 
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No shock to anyone who pays attention, but I am less than a fan of any player graduating high school in December and joining the team mid year like this. I already think it's a bit much when HS football players graduate in December and come to campus in January so they can do spring practice.

I mean, let the kids be kids for a bit. One of my HS classmates played SEC football (not MSU or Ole Miss) and played a few years in the NFL (not an All Pro or full time starter but saw action and had a roster spot 4 or 5 seasons). We graduated high school in May and he didn't leave for college until summer.

This isn't done for the kids, it's done for the coaches and the never ending machine. No wonder so many student athletes are burned out and frustrated. However, I'm just going to keep eating my Werther's Originals and looking at retirement home brochures because my thoughts won't change a thing.
I agree with some of your points, however this can't be laid solely at the feet of NCAA coaches. With the goal of the making it to the pros, AAU coaches, prep programs and families are also part of this is.

Take the article about Kitts and her decision to enroll early. From how I read it, the family had a plan in place well before South Carolina became the school she chose. The idea of a traditional school experience wasn't attractive and they opted for DME where online schooling makes it easier for student-athletes to focus on their development as they can study at their convenience.

It's definitely the machine, but it's more than NCAA coaches. What I wish more families did was research the actual success rate of players turning pro and where they end up playing. Especially in women's pro sports with how tough it is to crack a WNBA roster as a rookie.
 
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I agree with some of your points, however this can't be laid solely at the feet of NCAA coaches. With the goal of the making it to the pros, AAU coaches, prep programs and families are also part of this is.

Take the article about Kitts and her decision to enroll early. From how I read it, the family had a plan in place well before South Carolina became the school she chose. The idea of a traditional school experience wasn't attractive and they opted for DME where online schooling makes it easier for student-athletes to focus on their development as they can study at their convenience.

It's definitely the machine, but it's more than NCAA coaches. What I wish more families did was research the actual success rate of players turning pro and where they end up playing. Especially in women's pro sports with how tough it is to crack a WNBA roster as a rookie.
I tend to agree the families are big drivers but the college coaches could always say no. This has been happening in football for many years now and I just don't understand the rush. In fact, I would speculate that a high school football player who choses to graduate in May with their traditional class and not join a program for spring practice wouldn't be viewed the same way by the coaching staff. Of course, this is a WBB board and the worlds are completely different but I wonder if this could become a thing in future years.

The NCAA could come out and rule that no player may join the team as a "freshmen" mid season but they won't of course, because they really don't care about anything but the continuous feeding of the machine.
 

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Can Beal shoot the 3pt shot at a 40% clip? Is she capable of that? Just asking.

Seems like a pipe dream to me

28.9% on 1.4 attempts / game (19-20)
29.6% on 1.7 attempts / game (20-21)
23.8% on 1.7 attempts / game (21-22)
36.0% on 2.5 attempts / game (22-23)

Sub 60% FT percent too, so that doesn't bode well either.

The curious thing is Fletcher only has 7 threes attempted this year, yet she shot 35.9% on 3 attempts / game in 19-20. I'm not sure why she's not shooting these instead of Beal.
 
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I tend to agree the families are big drivers but the college coaches could always say no. This has been happening in football for many years now and I just don't understand the rush. In fact, I would speculate that a high school football player who choses to graduate in May with their traditional class and not join a program for spring practice wouldn't be viewed the same way by the coaching staff. Of course, this is a WBB board and the worlds are completely different but I wonder if this could become a thing in future years.

The NCAA could come out and rule that no player may join the team as a "freshmen" mid season but they won't of course, because they really don't care about anything but the continuous feeding of the machine.
In agreement with you there. From my view, I think all parties involved should be noted, not just the coaches. The parents have just as much responsibility in deciding if enrolling early makes sense.

What would be interesting is seeing how early enrollees from the 2021 class have performed. From a cursory glance it's been a mixed bag.
 

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Yes, Beal can possibly shoot in the 35-40% range from 3. She’s at 36% now but that’s only 9 for 25 in 10 games. She still often just passes off on offense and doesn’t look to take her own shot. This season the Gamecocks need for her to be a scoring threat more than anytime she’s been in Columbia.

What is Beal's major?
 
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Or less successful. Sometimes a style fits a program and Coach.

That's just contrariness though. My favorite team remains the one that didn't get to play it out.

Dawn’s best teams were in 16-17’ and 19-20’ when she had guards who could score to go along with good post players. Style definitely factors in but I don’t think adding a shooter to a team that doesn’t shoot the ball well is a negative unless they couldn’t play defense up to Coach Staley’s standards.
 
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SC is already the favorite to win the title. Why waste an entire year of eligibility so Kitts can play some minor minutes? I know SC needs shooters, but there's no reason that should not have already been addressed with ALL that talent on the bench. If Dawn needed shooters she could get them. IMO, Dawn should be able to coach that team comfortably to a national title without Kitts.
If Kitts can offer something we lack, and she can compete, she should play. She has only missed 10 games so far. This will give her a head start on her learning curb for next year. We will need more experience next year.
 
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If Kitts can offer something we lack, and she can compete, she should play. She has only missed 10 games so far. This will give her a head start on her learning curb for next year. We will need more experience next year.
More importantly she's missed six months of practice and conditioning.

The attention this subject has gotten is bizarre.

If we were Auburn then sure whatever.
 
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More importantly she's missed six months of practice and conditioning.

The attention this subject has gotten is bizarre.

If we were Auburn then sure whatever.
I mean it’s not like she was just sitting around waiting to get eligible. While she was working to complete her HS credits she was also training extensively 3 times a day to get ready for College. I understand your reservations on the topic but hearing how assuring Dawn was talking about her skill set and how she’ll be used I don’t think her coming in early is a waste, especially knowing how inexperienced we’ll be next year. The more players that gets experience this year the better. Losing nearly half your team is tough, even for the best teams.
 
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However these comments from Mr. Bueckers (Paige’s Dad) threw me for a bit of a loop. Not sure if it was Shade or genuine happiness…
 
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From the school's website:





Girls Varsity Basketball · Dec 17 Girls Basketball Beats #3 Ranked Chaska On The Road​



All levels improved their record to 5-0 tonight after beating #3 ranked Chaska on the road. In the varsity game, the Knights jumped out to an early lead, scoring 11 points before giving up their first bucket to Chaska at the 13:05 mark. The Hawks kept chipping away at the lead and pulled within one point (20-19) before the Knights scored 10 unanswered points to regain an 11 point advantage at 30-19. At halftime the lead was 45-32. The two teams played evenly In the opening minutes of the second half. Holding a 52-40 lead, the Knights pulled away for good behind a 20-9 run. The final score was 97-70! Defensive intensity and finding the hot hand on the offensive end were the keys to tonight’s team win! 28 assists were given on the offense end and 17 Chaska turnovers were forced on defense.
CONGRATULATIONS to Tessa Johnson who broke the 37 year-old single game scoring record AND the single game made 3 point shots. She finished the game with 51 points on 18/32 shooting and NINE of 15 from behind the arc.
Johnson also had 8 rebounds, 6 assists, and 4 steals. Ava Haus scored 12 points, led the assists with 8, and grabbed 5 steals. Piper Carlson was one rebound shy of a double-double with 11 points and 9 rebounds. Abby Hoselton scored 7 points, had 4 rebounds and 3 assists. Mackenzie Berg dished out 5 assists and Gabby Voigt chipped in 5 points. The Knights travel to Maple Grove Tuesday and will host Blaine on Thursday next week.
 
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