Four years later...
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We can go when we want? Pass over whatever you’re smoking.
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He was #2 behind Anthony Davis. Otherwise, you're correct that UConn hasn't pulled in top 5 recruits in 10+ years.
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That's when Nova's strategy was to recruit the best available Harold. Rollie got canned after that pipeline dried up.
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I mean I think it's just both.
The AAC despite being a big step back in a lot of ways, at least presented UConn with the opportunity to run a draw play and continue to build up a blossoming football program while maintaining and elite to very good basketball program. UConn is responsible for doing neither. That comes down to the coaching hires in hoops and football. Both teams have been bad for stretches during a time where they simply couldn't be. Now while I don't think the window has TOTALLY closed on a scenario where we can be good at both, it's really, really, really, really close to being closed and the margin for error is absolutely zero.
Ollie whiffed last year badly and also got hit with some bad luck. Diaco was a disaster, but you can't expect either program to instantaneously bounce back. The hoops team is what it is this year - and they have a chance to take a step forward next year. I'm not sold at all Ollie is the guy, but if the team finishes respectably and competes for a tournament spot down the stretch or makes a run at the end of the season, it's going to be really hard to hit a reset button yet again. Edsall literally can't miss on anything. They have to show progress next year or football's a sunk ship, IMO.
From there, it's a scenario where you've gotta kinda pick one or the other - keep football, let hoops do what it can do and hopefully progress to an invite to a P5 conference where we're doormat in everything like BC is but still take in lots of revenue... or you ditch football, cash your chips out and head to the Big East - which I DO think gives the hoops team a much better chance to get back to the mountain top, keep things interesting during the rebuild with some established rivalries on the schedule and bump recruting back up with or without a new coach. I HOPE we don't have to make that call - but I feel like it's just becoming more inevitable that we will largely because everything that could have gone wrong the last few years absolutely has. You have a disaster of a football program and a hoops program in decline with a big travel schedule, decreasing revenue and no real rivalries to sustain interest in rebuilds.
My point being - I don't think UConn can totally afford to wait things out. Ideally, they both show progress this year, hoops gets some mojo back next year, Football stays respectable and then maybe you buy enough time to see the next round of TV rights negotiation. If not, they've gotta make a call - and if it's me making the call, it's probably that we go to the Big East... That's where i'm at, at least.
The AAC despite being a big step back in a lot of ways, at least presented UConn with the opportunity to run a draw play and continue to build up a blossoming football program while maintaining and elite to very good basketball program. UConn is responsible for doing neither. That comes down to the coaching hires in hoops and football. Both teams have been bad for stretches during a time where they simply couldn't be. Now while I don't think the window has TOTALLY closed on a scenario where we can be good at both, it's really, really, really, really close to being closed and the margin for error is absolutely zero.
Ollie whiffed last year badly and also got hit with some bad luck. Diaco was a disaster, but you can't expect either program to instantaneously bounce back. The hoops team is what it is this year - and they have a chance to take a step forward next year. I'm not sold at all Ollie is the guy, but if the team finishes respectably and competes for a tournament spot down the stretch or makes a run at the end of the season, it's going to be really hard to hit a reset button yet again. Edsall literally can't miss on anything. They have to show progress next year or football's a sunk ship, IMO.
From there, it's a scenario where you've gotta kinda pick one or the other - keep football, let hoops do what it can do and hopefully progress to an invite to a P5 conference where we're doormat in everything like BC is but still take in lots of revenue... or you ditch football, cash your chips out and head to the Big East - which I DO think gives the hoops team a much better chance to get back to the mountain top, keep things interesting during the rebuild with some established rivalries on the schedule and bump recruting back up with or without a new coach. I HOPE we don't have to make that call - but I feel like it's just becoming more inevitable that we will largely because everything that could have gone wrong the last few years absolutely has. You have a disaster of a football program and a hoops program in decline with a big travel schedule, decreasing revenue and no real rivalries to sustain interest in rebuilds.
My point being - I don't think UConn can totally afford to wait things out. Ideally, they both show progress this year, hoops gets some mojo back next year, Football stays respectable and then maybe you buy enough time to see the next round of TV rights negotiation. If not, they've gotta make a call - and if it's me making the call, it's probably that we go to the Big East... That's where i'm at, at least.
What state flagship school has dropped it's football program? Good luck with dropping the football program. That's going to be harder than getting a trip to the moon.
6 bad years out of 15, which includes 6 bowl trips (3-3 record) and we're done if we have one more sub-.500 year when we have someone who is truly respected as head coach again. Whatever drugs are used on this message board, please send some my way.
Ollie has his neck on the line. Not Edsall. Edsall has another 2 years, at least.
Our historic women's basketball program has more weight than many of you think. Not sure if all y'all remember, but females make up at least 50% of the human population.
6 bad years out of 15, which includes 6 bowl trips (3-3 record) and we're done if we have one more sub-.500 year when we have someone who is truly respected as head coach again. Whatever drugs are used on this message board, please send some my way.
Ollie has his neck on the line. Not Edsall. Edsall has another 2 years, at least.
Our historic women's basketball program has more weight than many of you think. Not sure if all y'all remember, but females make up at least 50% of the human population.
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But what percentage of ADs and university presidents?
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Amazing how people view the AAC. Yes, we belong in a P5. However, this is the hand we have been dealt. 80% of the revenue comes from football- not basketball. So, there is no breakaway plan from the AAC. Why? We aren't in a football only conversation like Navy which is good in football and not competitive at the AAC level in any other sport.
So, football is first and foremost. Randy will have until he wants to leave to fix this and make it work right. He is the right coach for what we need.
KO won a national championship but he and his staff did not capitalize on the recruiting front with that title. I don't totally buy the conference gig because- the squid won at Memphis and that was a crap conference. Tark won at UNLV, another crap conference. Gonzaga, Wichita St- all teams that won out of crap conferences.
It ultimately comes down to coaching. The AAC conference hasn't affected Geno and the women. We hired Paul Pasqualoni and lunatic for our football program and tanked it. Bottom line, get the right coaches who know how to sell the school and program and with our resources, we can win again.
So, football is first and foremost. Randy will have until he wants to leave to fix this and make it work right. He is the right coach for what we need.
KO won a national championship but he and his staff did not capitalize on the recruiting front with that title. I don't totally buy the conference gig because- the squid won at Memphis and that was a crap conference. Tark won at UNLV, another crap conference. Gonzaga, Wichita St- all teams that won out of crap conferences.
It ultimately comes down to coaching. The AAC conference hasn't affected Geno and the women. We hired Paul Pasqualoni and lunatic for our football program and tanked it. Bottom line, get the right coaches who know how to sell the school and program and with our resources, we can win again.
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And the timing couldn’t have been worse for hiring these . These hires, together with the actions of Vietnam Commando Blumenthal, screwed us out of a P5 landing spot.
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Today's game is why I don't want to hear about conference. Getting drilled on national TV what 4 times already against solid non conference teams? Today's game really sickened me to the talk of the conference hurting us. We are hurting the conference far worse.
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The elimination of the SALT deduction will turn UConn into a community college in 10 years. That effectively raised state taxes on Connecticut residents by 30%. Connecticut will have to slash expenses, and the university is a likely target.
The football program is finished.
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Oh well, at least my 401k is kicking . I’ll still go to UConn sports events but they will just be on a more regional scale. On the bright side, tickets will be easy to get and their won’t be any traffic getting in or out of games.
Merry Christmas UConn Nation and Happy New Year!!!!!!
The AAC is a nice little football conference. The problem as I have stated all along is perception. Contrast what happened in Hartford to hockey. Hartford was in the NHL. Did anyone really expect the fans to jump up and down when the AHL came? We were in the best basketball conference. We effectively moved to the AHL of hoops leagues. Yes, Cincinnati has held steady, but they did not have the perception of being screwed to the extent we were. We have won the most championships in college hoops since 99. The perception is the program is finished. I don’t have a solution, just suggest to everybody that the name on our uniform is not going to bring it back. Immaculata and Delta State once dominated woman’s basketball. Without a move to a P5 league we are in trouble. Parade Gonzaga, Wichita State and other mid majors who have had success. Their situations are totally different than ours.
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You seem to think that conference affiliation is a meritocracy. It isn't, well at least not based upon the quality of sports. There are plenty of P5 team that have a worse athletic dept than we do.
Quality of our play is affected by our conference affiliation and the miserable geography of the ACC, both in tough road schedule and in recruiting.
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Probably not at least not by the elimination (well capping actually) of the SALT deduction. Keep in mind that they also doubled the standard deduction. For middle class taxpayers at least that should result in a net reduction of federal tax particularly when you add the relaxing of the tax brackets. Full disclose: that is purely a back of the envelope calculation. I haven't crunched the numbers or seen anyone else who has yet. I'm sure that they are out there by now though.
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Don't think that all.
What's hurting us is bad coaching hires and terrible buyouts out of bad contracts.
Meritocracy or not, we weren't picked, so we either start doing better in the league were in or we will fade further into Bolivia.
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One thing that is certain:
If UConn ever regains top tier status, stays in the top 5 for a couple of years and wins a title, I can promise you I will not be on a Villanova message board advocating and debating their league situation.
If UConn ever regains top tier status, stays in the top 5 for a couple of years and wins a title, I can promise you I will not be on a Villanova message board advocating and debating their league situation.
In fairness Idaho only dropped because it lost it's conference affiliation and decided that a Big Sky return was a better option than trying to schedule as an independent at the FBS level (New Mexico State made the other decision and will continue as an FBS independent).
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And this attitude is a big part of why UConn is struggling in football and hoops. I hate that UConn is not in a P5 conference. I believe UConn was screwed by blatant oligopilic practices. BUT . . . given the reality, this whole attitude of superiority over schools like ECU, Houston, and (add your choice here) needs to be rethought. How about UConn dominating the AAC in both sports for a few years AND THEN making derogatory comments about the conference. How about the Huskies show they can be really good in this conference . . . and soon.
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It’s cool to have different opinions but don’t blame me for UConn’s struggles in basketball and football. Blame the coaching ineptitude of Ollie and Diaco. Throw in the fact that we are recruiting in a FULLY southern conference and the athletic department as we know it is on life support. I understand others feel differently but many share my views as well. My primary concern is doing everything possible to save UConn’s biggest asset (basketball) before it’s too late.
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UConn needs to recruit better, play a more exciting brand of football and concentrate on competing better in The AAC
I agree with you on the first three sentences. But I disagree that basketball is UConn's biggest asset any more, maybe women's basketball, but not men's basketball. It was, but it is not now. Watch some AAC games on TV and you will see the big difference even between the middle AAC teams and UConn. UConn will be lucky to finish in 8th place in my opinion. I am currently watching Tulane and Temple playing basketball. SMU, Cinci, Houston will run UConn off the court. The ECU and USF games will likely be nail biters. I doubt that this UConn team can compete with these guys at this time. Like football, only a total tear down and make over will save UConn men's basketball, sorry.
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It is coaching more so than players. Basketball will turnaround in 1-2 years with a good coach.
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Eh. We can always make those comments about ECU's academics. None of the AAC schools are really peer institutions (Temple and Tulane, maybe).
I think people are forgetting when the Big East football was around, the landscape was a "P6". If this conference is better than the Big East was in football, 2004+, then we're back to where we were before. Except Ollie can't coach and we need higher revenues. And the rest of the women's basketball programs have a long way to go. UCF's bowl win can ignite some imaginations that can benefit the AAC.
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