Former UConn Basketball Asst. Makes Serious Accusations Regarding Kevin Ollie In NCAA Investigation

[Madmannsucks]

It also strains credulity that she didn’t say anything to him about it until after he was fired. Too convenient imo.

The problem I have is it is 3rd hand unsubstantiated....not sure what the point is, unless he was looking for revenge.

 

[August_West]

Nah, I could give Cesspool level response, lord knows that I've clubbed you like a baby seal down there with regularity, but I don't want to see the main boards get crapped up that stuff.

(Honestly, it has been entertaining as heck watching you stumble legal sounding phrases. You just have no idea what the sounds you make actually mean.)

Yeah thats what you do.


I said the term "perjury trap" and you melted like a snow cone in Death valley. And it is a legitimate response to the scenario you posted. Your knee jerk reaction to that seemingly innocuous phrase in the context of this discussion is very telling.

Obviously I am so far in your head that you just crumble any time I reply to a post. Not a good look.


and why, like 3 times in the last day, are you telling me to stop crapping up the boards with cesspool level posts? Are you a mod?

You're not the boss of me. And I will do whatever I want until a mod tells me not to. And the thing is, the posts you are calling cesspool level dont even come close to approaching cesspool level. Do you think I care about your hypocritical sense of decorum?

Go ahead and report my posts. Become another Glen Miller.

Or don't .

I dont care either way.

unhinged.

 

[8893]

And so far Ollie hasn’t denied ANYTHING.

In a statement Thursday, Ollie denied ever making payments to any player’s mother.

 

[August_West]

In a statement Thursday, Ollie denied ever making payments to any player’s mother.

lulz

 

[8893]

lulz

Not that the facts will matter to scooter. He still believes the Central Park Five were guilty.

 

[JMick]

I don't think August is off base. What txts or email records support that Miller knows anything vis a vis the the 30k? He had a conversation with his wife. That's the sum total of it.

Miller's under no obligation to report that. The only evidence he has, and the only reason he knows, is his wife tells him in conversation. If he wasn't involved, and never admits to it, then what possible evidence would the FBI uncover that even relates to him? He's completely unconnected. It's superfluous information that, at absolute best, turns out to be innocuous, but more likely, could be harmful.

It was a weak move imo.

Now, if the FBI had Glen Miller as a high value target, and somehow managed to bugged Glen Miller's house beforehand thereby having that particular conversation on record, then I take all that back.

I'm not talking about legal issues with the FBI. Let's say, solely for the sake of this argument, that Ollie was somehow caught up in the FBI stuff. Glen Miller wouldn't be on the hook there, legally speaking, but maybe the FBI has text or call records from the supposed players mom and Miller's wife that mentions the payment. It's presented as evidence as some point and now the NCAA is asking Glen Miller why he didn't say anything about it when interviewed with full immunity.

Yes there are some leaps and assumptions made there, but if you're Miller and you think it's possible that some shady AAU stuff went down, it makes sense for him as a CYA to mention it. I'm not defending him but I do see a way to rationalize it. Glen doesn't strike me as someone who has a history of dealing with investigators

 

[Yardigan]

I'm not talking about legal issues with the FBI. Let's say, solely for the sake of this argument, that Ollie was somehow caught up in the FBI stuff. Glen Miller wouldn't be on the hook there, legally speaking, but maybe the FBI has text or call records from the supposed players mom and Miller's wife that mentions the payment. It's presented as evidence as some point and now the NCAA is asking Glen Miller why he didn't say anything about it when interviewed with full immunity.

Yes there are some leaps and assumptions made there, but if you're Miller and you think it's possible that some shady AAU stuff went down, it makes sense for him as a CYA to mention it. I'm not defending him but I do see a way to rationalize it. Glen doesn't strike me as someone who has a history of dealing with investigators

And his history of dealing with employers...is likely at its very end....

 

[HuskyHawk]

This. Several posters in this thread are so consumed with anger regarding KO they’ve created a narrative that wants to destroy anything and everything about him.

Based on this mindset Glen Miller is the classic example of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. They are ignoring, and worse, shouting down the damage some of us believe Glen has done.

Most of them understand our arguments. And JMick in a moment of weakness even expressed it. It’s just too important for their need to exact revenge to allow any arguments or positions that can potentially dilute things to be expressed.

I can understand the university’s rational for going through this process. I can understand why Glen wants to hurt KO. I can understand why fans want to as well. In the university’s case it’s business. In the other situations it’s out of the pain he caused.

We all have reasons we use to justify our positions whether they are reasonable or not. The problem as I see it is that KO can reach a place of anger that causes him to act like Glen and expose some of the real and damaging skeletons in the UConn men’s B.B. closet. And if he does that it could be game over for the program. I’m not sure a retiring President, an AD with no great loyalties to UConn, or an angry myopic fan base/boosters have appropriately weighed this risk.

I find it ironic that some people are saying that Glen Miller is now unemployable, when he provided information in a formal interview with the NCAA, and yet some think that Ollie (with no requirement to speak at all), is going to unload a bunch of dirty laundry. Talk about unemployable, he certainly would be then. It's not going to happen.

1. I give Ollie more credit than that. I don't think he wants to hurt the school or program, despite all of this.
2. It would destroy his reputation utterly and completely. If you think Miller looks bad, Ollie would look much worse.
3. I don't think he has much dirt to uncover. He wasn't involved with the program for a long time while he played in the NBA. I don't think there is some smoking gun out there during the short time he was an assistant.

 

[CL82]

Yeah thats what you do.


I said the term "perjury trap" and you melted like a snow cone in Death valley. And it is a legitimate response to the scenario you posted. Your knee jerk reaction to that seemingly innocuous phrase in the context of this discussion is very telling.

Obviously I am so far in your head that you just crumble any time I reply to a post. Not a good look.


and why, like 3 times in the last day, are you telling me to stop crapping up the boards with cesspool level posts? Are you a mod?

You're not the boss of me. And I will do whatever I want until a mod tells me not to. And the thing is, the posts you are calling cesspool level dont even come close to approaching cesspool level. Do you think I care about your hypocritical sense of decorum?

Go ahead and report my posts. Become another Glen Miller.

Or don't .

I dont care either way.

unhinged.

#melt

 

[JMick]

Not crazy at all just really sick of the agenda let it go Mick you got your guy....you’re the damn whacko here.

I'm sorry that my hypothetical scenario offended you

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

All in all Kind of a Chauncey Gardiner character in many ways spouting silliness that people thought was somehow deep.

@freescooter Acknowledging Chauncey Gardiner must not be or may not have been the sharpest knife in the set, I had to do some research. After discovering ole Chauncey was a 1970s' illiterate gardener film character played by Peter Sellers, I tracked back to figure out whether you were referring to the departed gardener or what some view as a gardening rodent. Could be off the mark, but actions of both suggest neither would be entirely out of character. Maybe not the gardening part, but ...

 

[mauconnfan]

I'm sorry that my hypothetical scenario offended you

Not offended at all just funny you somehow found the need to come up with a hypothetical rather than just call him a rat.

 

[JMick]

Not offended at all just funny you somehow found the need to come up with a hypothetical rather than just call him a rat.

I have empathy. Something you boomers don't possess.

 

[ctchamps]

I find it ironic that some people are saying that Glen Miller is now unemployable, when he provided information in a formal interview with the NCAA, and yet some think that Ollie (with no requirement to speak at all), is going to unload a bunch of dirty laundry. Talk about unemployable, he certainly would be then. It's not going to happen.

1. I give Ollie more credit than that. I don't think he wants to hurt the school or program, despite all of this.
2. It would destroy his reputation utterly and completely. If you think Miller looks bad, Ollie would look much worse.
3. I don't think he has much dirt to uncover. He wasn't involved with the program for a long time while he played in the NBA. I don't think there is some smoking gun out there during the short time he was an assistant.

If KO goes all GM I agree with you he’d be severely hurting his chances for coaching employment. Of course there are a group of posters who have expressed that KO’s choice of not leaving quietly has already severely impacted that option.

Like you I don’t believe KO is intent on destroying the program however anger has a way of making people behave in unexpected ways.

Look at the anger expressed in this forum. The anger is based on two to three years of horrible play, the objective explanation. The subjective explanation is that our viewing experience has been miserable. There are people in this forum that would love to see KO destroyed simply because they were unhappy over the way they were entertained. If people are unable to control their emotions over disappointing entertainment believing the loss of $10 mil and getting yourself slammed by the university whether justified or not would not push someone off the deep end is foolish.

KO is far more plugged into the program than any of the posters in this forum who have made claims about his transgressions. You can take it to the bank he knows things that could cripple the program.

 

[CL82]

KO is far more plugged into the program than any of the posters in this forum who have made claims about his transgressions. You can take it to the bank he knows things that could cripple the program.

Because the program must be dirty because....?

 

[mauconnfan]

I have empathy. Something you boomers don't possess.

If empathy somehow means agenda in your world I would agree Mick.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Because the program must be dirty because....?

This is my only complaint about what @fleudslipcon says in that post. I simply don’t think anyone has any information that could cripple the program, because I don’t believe it exists.

 

[ctchamps]

Because the program must be dirty because....?

This is my only complaint about what @fleudslipcon says in that post. I simply don’t think anyone has any information that could cripple the program, because I don’t believe it exists.

It’s obvious Hurley has momentum in getting a good to great recruiting class for 2019. The more dirt that gets put in the public eye the higher the probability of negative recruiting against him. If the NCAA was fair I’d be less concerned but the APR handling and the UNC decision shows us otherwise.

The last thing UConn needs is a threat of significant reductions in scholarships and postseason bans. This is a critical period for the program.

 

[HuskyHawk]

It’s obvious Hurley has momentum in getting a good to great recruiting class for 2019. The more dirt that gets put in the public eye the higher the probability of negative recruiting against him. If the NCAA was fair I’d be less concerned but the APR handling and the UNC decision shows us otherwise.

The last thing UConn needs is a threat of significant reductions in scholarships and postseason bans. This is a critical period for the program.

I can't disagree with any of that. But Hurley took the job knowing about this, and seemed convinced that there would not be significant penalties. UConn self reporting and firing the coach tends to reduce any penalties. The infractions are fairly minor, and I am fairly sure UConn's compliance folks have a feel for what the penalties may be, if any.

As for negative recruiting, I think it's pretty easy to refute. The narrative is simply "It was minor stuff done by the prior coach who is now gone. It all became public because we wanted to fire him without having to pay him $10m. Otherwise it would have been handled quietly behind the scenes with the NCAA."

 

[CL82]

It’s obvious Hurley has momentum in getting a good to great recruiting class for 2019. The more dirt that gets put in the public eye the higher the probability of negative recruiting against him. If the NCAA was fair I’d be less concerned but the APR handling and the UNC decision shows us otherwise.

The last thing UConn needs is a threat of significant reductions in scholarships and postseason bans. This is a critical period for the program.

Fair enough but that's not what you said. What you said was:

KO is far more plugged into the program than any of the posters in this forum who have made claims about his transgressions. You can take it to the bank he knows things that could cripple the program.

Like @HuskyHawk, I do not believe this to be true and don't particularly care for the presumption.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Fair enough but that's not what you said. What you said was:


Like @HuskyHawk, I do not believe this to be true and don't particularly care for the presumption.

One of the reasons is bothers me, is that a bunch of jealous d*ck-heads from Syracuse and other schools who UConn passed by and eclipsed, have long pushed the narrative that Calhoun was a rampant cheater and UConn should forfeit all its championships.

I see no evidence of it at all. Calhoun rarely landed the big 5 star recruits, but he had a really good eye for identifying talent. Getting guys like Okafor who ended up being a #2 pick as a 3 star recruit. The few violations that did occur, like APR (complete nonsense) and Nate Miles (way overblown and UConn never benefited) were insignificant.

 

[8893]

One of the reasons is bothers me, is that a bunch of jealous d*ck-heads from Syracuse and other schools who UConn passed by and eclipsed, have long pushed the narrative that Calhoun was a rampant cheater and UConn should forfeit all its championships.

I see no evidence of it at all. Calhoun rarely landed the big 5 star recruits, but he had a really good eye for identifying talent. Getting guys like Okafor who ended up being a #2 pick as a 3 star recruit. The few violations that did occur, like APR (complete nonsense) and Nate Miles (way overblown and UConn never benefited) were insignificant.

I wanted to believe we were relatively clean under Calhoun. A friend who knows a lot more than I do disabused me of that notion and put a very big dent in my blissful ignorance, and then I told him to stop.

Be careful what you ask for if you want to hear it. You are likely to learn stuff you don't want to know.

 

[Madmannsucks]

I wanted to believe we were relatively clean under Calhoun. A friend who knows a lot more than I do disabused me of that notion and put a very big dent in my blissful ignorance, and then I told him to stop.

Be careful what you ask for if you want to hear it. You are likely to learn stuff you don't want to know.

And if what you were told is true, my guess is JC would be upset with Miller regarding the 30K payment.

 

[CL82]

I wanted to believe we were relatively clean under Calhoun. A friend who knows a lot more than I do disabused me of that notion and put a very big dent in my blissful ignorance, and then I told him to stop.

Be careful what you ask for if you want to hear it. You are likely to learn stuff you don't want to know.

So if you want to PM me, and let me know what your friend's relationship is to JC, how he has insider info and what he alleges happened, feel free and I'll make my own judgments. Until then, I hope you will forgive me if treat your comment as I do all all anonymous, nonspecific, 3rd party internet accusations.

(If your friend worked in a car wash, he gets extra credibility points.)

 

[HuskyHawk]

So if you want to PM me, and let me know what your friend's relationship is to JC, how he has insider info and what he alleges happened, feel free and I'll make my own judgments. Until then, I hope you will forgive me if treat your comment as I do all all anonymous, nonspecific, 3rd party internet accusations.

(If your friend worked in a car wash, he gets extra credibility points.)

My comment would likely be the same. I find myself curious about this @8893. You were in Storrs about when I was right?

My longstanding view has been that Calhoun was no Saint. He strikes me now, and then, as a guy who would push the envelope. Who would explore grey areas and take any advantage he could. A lot like Bill Belichick perhaps. And every good tax lawyer. That's not "cheating". That's what any successful person in sports is doing. Michael Jordan probably committed 10,000 uncalled offensive fouls. He exploited what he could.

 

[8893]

So if you want to PM me, and let me know what your friend's relationship is to JC, how he has insider info and what he alleges happened, feel free and I'll make my own judgments. Until then, I hope you will forgive me if treat your comment as I do all all anonymous, nonspecific, 3rd party internet accusations.

(If your friend worked in a car wash, he gets extra credibility points.)

Yeah, no.

Treat it however you'd like. I'm not Glen Millering anyone, and certainly not Calhoun.

 

[CL82]

Yeah, no.

Treat it however you'd like. I'm not Glen Millering anyone, and certainly not Calhoun.

Yeah, except you are, on an anonymous message board, with vague innuendo instead of an actual accusation.

Not sure you have the moral high ground over Miller. Just sayin.

 

[KingAG]

Yeah, no.

Treat it however you'd like. I'm not Glen Millering anyone, and certainly not Calhoun.

Yea UConn fans throwing out unfounded cheating rumors about the man who built this thing is about as strange as it could get. Calhoun deserves better than that. We should just leave that conversation completely alone imo

 

[8893]

Yeah, except you are, on an anonymous message board, with vague innuendo instead of an actual accusation.

Not sure you have the moral high ground over Miller. Just sayin.

No, I'm doing the opposite. I am urging people like you to stop walking around claiming moral high ground about the Calhoun years because you are leading with a glass jaw. What I heard was second hand from someone in position to know and I'm not passing it on.

Yea UConn fans throwing out unfounded cheating rumors about the man who built this thing is about as strange as it could get. Calhoun deserves better than that. We should just leave that conversation completely alone imo

That's my point. I just don't think it's wise to beg the question as a few have, because they may not like the answers.

 

[August_West]

No, I'm doing the opposite. I am urging people like you to stop walking around claiming moral high ground about the Calhoun years because you are leading with a glass jaw. What I heard was second hand from someone in position to know and I'm not passing it on.



That's my point. I just don't think it's wise to beg the question as a few have, because they may not like the answers.

My comment would likely be the same. I find myself curious about this @8893. You were in Storrs about when I was right?

My longstanding view has been that Calhoun was no Saint. He strikes me now, and then, as a guy who would push the envelope. Who would explore grey areas and take any advantage he could. A lot like Bill Belichick perhaps. And every good tax lawyer. That's not "cheating". That's what any successful person in sports is doing. Michael Jordan probably committed 10,000 uncalled offensive fouls. He exploited what he could.

Yeah, except you are, on an anonymous message board, with vague innuendo instead of an actual accusation.

Not sure you have the moral high ground over Miller. Just sayin.

Yea UConn fans throwing out unfounded cheating rumors about the man who built this thing is about as strange as it could get. Calhoun deserves better than that. We should just leave that conversation completely alone imo

Im not going to deal in Calhoun rumors. It is not productive to the university.

But I just need to say that this seems like a tenuous position (Clean program?!) to take considering both Calhoun himself and multiple players he recruited were suspended for games by the NCAA for a myriad of violations from the mid 90's until the end. He accepted a charge and a suspension for "failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance" and served games for it. 3 years probation for it. Losses of scholarships for it. These are facts. Not speculation.

So it seems kinda myopic to me to automatically dismiss any wondering about if more dirt could ever come up, as "nah, there is nothing there". Maybe, maybe not, but there is certainly precedent enough to worry about it, if you are worrying type of person.