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OT: Florida State to sue ACC over GOR

Fishy said:
Stop it. Lord, just stop it.

USC and UCLA are in a different stratosphere than FSU.

Indiana, Purdue and Michigan joined the B10 in the 1800s. THE 1800’s! So stop.

Clemson and FSU are hoping to force some kind of negotiation. This “oh, lordy, we haz no idea what’s in our contract” line is nonsensical. Y’all signed and lived under it quite happily until the other guys started to make more money.

This is checkers. They’re playing checkers because they can’t play chess.
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I have less confidence than you do in the outcome of a lawsuit over a contract that one party refuses to let the other party see. There are probably close to 50 posts on this board of me stating that a Grant of Rights is not a regular contract and can't get broken. But it never occurred to me that the ACC would hide the contract and then include a clause that ESPN could walk away from the deal, possibly without the full knowledge or understanding of all the parties.

I continue to believe that the available facts are so absurd that someone is simply not telling the truth.
 
How long did we look down upon "directional" schools only to see them pass The University of Connecticut in conference realignment? Just saying.
 
jostar1 said:
How long did we look down upon "directional" schools only to see them pass The University of Connecticut in conference realignment? Just saying.
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The only "directional" school that passed UConn in realignment was UCF which is one of the largest schools in the US, located in Florida, and had gone 25-1 in football in 2017/2018.
 
UConnJim said:
The only "directional" school that passed UConn in realignment was UCF which is one of the largest schools in the US, located in Florida, and had gone 25-1 in football in 2017/2018.
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I should have been clearer. I put "directional" in quotes because I wasn't talking about just north, south, east, west but any school that is not a flagship. Cincinnati is another one.

As to who could pass us by in the next round---now we're looking at USF and Memphis.
 
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freescooter said:
Same time the Navy is practicing submarine warfare. With live ammo in the area. Though I’m sure that is just a coincidence.
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They hired this Skipper and First Mate.
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
FSU isn't a middle sister in any analysis... And you have it on authority that FSU hasn't had intermediary dialog with the B1G? You must have great sources.
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No they are not, but especially now that the arms race is entirely on. SEC might have cold shouldered them back in the day, but there's no way they aren't bidding on prime real estate in their own backyard, FSU and Clemson, now. The Big10 has been open to Va and NC for awhile and that hasn't changed, but FSU could very easily be on the map for them now too. It could simply come down to the SEC outbidding the 12 for FSU and Clemson as a matter of self defense, triggering Va and NC to the 10.

One way or another, the current ACC is all but dead. Whether it's a matter of contract law, civil liability, or political pressure (Florida gov't gets along with ESPN's parent company right?) there aren't enough lawyers, bubble gum and duct tape to keep in together even 2 more years, nevermind 12.

I'm very interested to see where the arms race ends. It takes 10 teams to get the SEC, 10, and 12 to 20 teams per conference. Does it stop there or do some or all go to 22 teams? That could be an extremely important difference to UCONN in the near future.
 
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And...maybe it is just a coincidence that the renovations will be completed in time for the 2025 season opener with Alabama...

The 2024 season will be under construction (no pun intended)...
 
huskymedic said:
Looking for pixie dust isn’t a good strategy:
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When the B1G passed on him being commissioner, I was really surprised. I thought he was the next big thing. Good thing they did pass on him. He has been a huge flop in the ACC. Granted, circumstances play into this, but he hasn’t handled those circumstances well nor has he said the right things.
 
Rufus said:
When the B1G passed on him being commissioner, I was really surprised. I thought he was the next big thing. Good thing they did pass on him. He has been a huge flop in the ACC. Granted, circumstances play into this, but he hasn’t handled those circumstances well nor has he said the right things.
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He's long handcuffed by now. Every day the ACC doesn't break out into an actual physical brawl is a win for him.
 
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The ACC can’t settle. Unles….ESPN tells them they need to.

It doesn’t matter. FSU and Clemson know what they know and they have burned the boats on the beach. There is no return for them.

They have the goods re obligations and will pay the Exit Fee.
 
Vowelguy said:
Is there expected timeline on when the GOR lawsuit will be decided?
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No. The suits can go on forever. Then appeals to higher courts. I don’t think that it will be “settled “ before Clemson and FSU announce. I think (with no evidence) that the networks are horse trading to arrive at a mutually satisfactory P2.
 
billybud said:
No. The suits can go on forever. Then appeals to higher courts. I don’t think that it will be “settled “ before Clemson and FSU announce. I think (with no evidence) that the networks are horse trading to arrive at a mutually satisfactory P2.
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I'm pretty sure they can't or really really don't want to announce anything until they absolutely have no choice, they'd be accused of negotiating in bad faith and have yet another lawsuit on their hands. The Bigs and the SEC can't offer them anything before they announce their departure without getting sued for tampering. It's a real cluster.
 
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I heard an interesting take on FSU/Clemson today. ESPN actually wants the ACC to break up so FSU and Clemson can move to the SEC, an ESPN property. ESPN would retain the 2 best ACC football brands (and maybe 2 others), pays them more, but reduces their overall expenses. And, they get better matchups as viewers would rather watch FSU vs Georgia than FSU vs BC as an example. And, apparently ESPN was not too happy with the additions of SMU/Cal/Stanford as it forced them to pay more money for little value.

You want to be either the high end product (think SEC) or the low end product (think AAC) and not the middle tier product (ACC) as in business, the middle tier is always squeezed.
 
The FSU and Clemson cases feel like 2 things:

1) Getting the ball rolling in case ESPN decides not to renew the ACC during its contract lookin in a year. If ESPN renews, I don’t see any way out of the GOR. Ironically, FSU threatening to leave may encourage ESPN to continue the current contract because ESPN needs content and probably doesn’t want the ACC to break up.

2) There is definitely a component of performance art for FSU’s more moronic fans to FSU’s lawsuit. Ironically, between the CFP and House case, there seems to be less actual logic to FSU leaving.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
1) Getting the ball rolling in case ESPN decides not to renew the ACC during its contract lookin in a year. If ESPN renews, I don’t see any way out of the GOR. Ironically, FSU threatening to leave may encourage ESPN to continue the current contract because ESPN needs content and probably doesn’t want the ACC to break up.
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The one thing that we have heard that might be able to nullify the GORs is the supposed extension by the ACC commissioner without approval of the schools of ESPN's option to extend the ACC media contract. That said, we don't know if that is true.

As for ESPN needing content, I think they have plenty of content right now. Take out the ACC and they have SEC football (which just added 2 schools), some Big 12 football (which just added a bunch of schools), AAC football, MAC football, SBC football and they could reach a media deal with the ACC left behinds as well. Remember, many of the ACC football games are on the ACCN and ACCN streaming and a bunch are on the CW as ESPN does not have the time slots.
 
If ESPN wants to set FSU and Clemson free, all they really need to do is refuse to give close to a market rate offer on the media extension. Fox may be willing to step in and offer something but if they are only competing with themselves, there is no need to give a competitive offer.

Without a media contract, the remaining rights (that have been granted) have little value which would allow for a buyout of basically nothing. The departure fee (which FSU has already publicly claimed they are willing to pay) would be the only real cost.
 
The ACC, no matter what is cooked...whether by defections or slow death as an "other conference" after the P2...
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FfldCntyFan said:
If ESPN wants to set FSU and Clemson free, all they really need to do is refuse to give close to a market rate offer on the media extension. Fox may be willing to step in and offer something but if they are only competing with themselves, there is no need to give a competitive offer.

Without a media contract, the remaining rights (that have been granted) have little value which would allow for a buyout of basically nothing. The departure fee (which FSU has already publicly claimed they are willing to pay) would be the only real cost.
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I'm not convinced that the lack of a media contract, which I don't think would happen, makes the GOR valueless. I think that you would have to weigh its historic value against the current lack of an offer, maybe use a five-year weighted average or something.

For what it's worth, if ESPN refused to offer and Fox lowballed or didn't offer, I would expect ESPN to amends their answer with a new counterclaim stating that FSU and Clemson's public statements about the conference and their desire to leave devalued conferences GOR. I don't know if the ACC membership agreement has an anti-disparagement clause, but even if they didn't they could argue that the public discussion was a breach of fiduciary duty.
 
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