Durham transferring

[shizzle787]

I thought the Vegas rule was in effect for this. To keep out all the riffraff.

We need to up the pot.

 

[Walker11]

Get ready for scrubs.

We've lost three top-40 type players in a week. We will replace them with exactly zero top-40 players.

That bill will come due in a big way over the next two seasons.

Yea we are screwed. Don't disagree with that. Enoch was ranked #82 and Jackson #78 per banned recruiting ranking site composite. We are going to feel it even more in '18 when Larrier and JA are gone and Vance should have emerged as a 14 ppg scorer with MAL starting alongside AG.

 

[superjohn]

Get ready for scrubs.

We've lost three top-40 type players in a week. We will replace them with exactly zero top-40 players.

That bill will come due in a big way over the next two seasons.

Not sure what's more disturbing, that these players are leaving or that 2 of them showed absolutely nothing in their time at UConn. We don't have a single frontcourt player returning who has played a single minute of college basketball and we have a total of two returning healthy players. Ollie better pull a miracle this spring signing period or his days look to be numbered.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Get ready for scrubs.

We've lost three top-40 type players in a week. We will replace them with exactly zero top-40 players.

That bill will come due in a big way over the next two seasons.

Earlier in this thread, you didn't even mention Larrier or Gilbert as key returning players...

But now Durham, he of the waif like frame and two ACL's, is a loss we'll feel for years?

That's called talking out of both sides of your mouth.

I get that the manure is flying through the electronic rotating air moving device, but come on. Playing up the negative spin like you've done today is just as bad as turning a blind eye.

 

[intlzncster]

Not sure what's more disturbing, that these players are leaving or that 2 of them showed absolutely nothing in their time at UConn. We don't have a single frontcourt player returning who has played a single minute of college basketball and we have a total of two returning healthy players. Ollie better pull a miracle this spring signing period or his days look to be numbered.

Cobb has played a few at at SC. Your point stands tho

 

[UConn990411]

Durham specific- Bit of a d-ck move bailing after program stayed with him through multiple ACL's. On the other hand que sera, sera. He's gone, don't wish him ill will. I don't think he makes a penny playing basketball for a career.

Program in general with regards to transfers- Individually or as a group, good riddance. Several times throughout the season I mentioned the players on court play and body language demonstrated being comfortable with losing. They played more like an AAU team than players with UConn on their chest. I'm fine starting from scratch. (Insert baby with bathwater analogy.)

I mean, if this many people are abandoning the program, maybe it's fair to question if there's a reason.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Super-underrated movie. In terms of replacements for Durham, Jackson, Enoch, UConn's going to have to set a pretty low bar. Ain't too proud to beg.

 

[Fishy]

Earlier in this thread, you didn't even mention Larrier or Gilbert as key returning players...

But now Durham, he of the waif like frame and two ACL's, is a loss we'll feel for years?

That's called talking out of both sides of your mouth.

I get that the manure is flying through the electronic rotating air moving device, but come on. Playing up the negative spin like you've done today is just as bad as turning a blind eye.

You don't think these transfers/MAL won't have an impact for the few seasons?

Don't answer. I don't care.

 

[huskiesnyc]

Get ready for scrubs.

We've lost three top-40 type players in a week. We will replace them with exactly zero top-40 players.

That bill will come due in a big way over the next two seasons.

Enoch, Vance and Durham weren't top 40 anything and all soft. MAL yes and he's the only real loss in my opinion. But there are better and tougher players out there right now than those 3. I'm hoping we add 3 players that can ball and save 2 scholarships for the 18' class. We have a good enough core of guards to surprise next year.

 

[Mots010]

If Ollie doesn't kill it in the spring signing period, there's about zero chance of turning this around any time soon. This might be make or break for him unless the 2018 class comes together in a big way. I wonder if Chillious knew what he was coming into. He's got his work cut out for himself.

 

[intlzncster]

I wonder if Chillious knew what he was coming into. He's got his work cut out for himself.

Guarantee he did. He's a friend of KO and I'm sure they had a lot of this planned out. It's not like this all dropped on KO's head this week.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

You don't think these transfers/MAL won't have an impact for the few seasons?

Don't answer. I don't care.

Too bad. I'm answering anyway.

Nice non-sequitur.

My post had nothing to do with the merits of that statement, although I can see why you'd like to steer the conversation away from your double talk in this thread.

 

[Fishy]

Too bad. I'm answering anyway.

Nice non-sequitur.

My post had nothing to do with the merits of that statement, although I can see why you'd like to steer the conversation away from your double talk in this thread.

This is what I wrote and this is what you somehow misinterpreted because you seem to have some sort of bug up your ass.

"Get ready for scrubs.

We've lost three top-40 type players in a week. We will replace them with exactly zero top-40 players.

That bill will come due in a big way over the next two seasons."

Why you determined that only pertained to Juwan leaving is not my problem. I would think the words "three top-40 type players" would have tipped you off that I was referring to three players, but so be it. I can only write what I write and hope it's enough - I can't drive to your house and explain it to you.

 

[tzznandrew]

Guarantee he did. He's a friend of KO and I'm sure they had a lot of this planned out. It's not like this all dropped on KO's head this week.

That's indeed the best hope that we have: KO knew what was coming, either because he knew they were leaving and a big recruiter could help stem the bleeding, or because they have faith Chillious was going to bring in some strong players and this chased off who we had.

I doubt its the better option, but the worst case scenario is the this blindsided KO.

 

[80shusky]

Anybody miss Brimah yet?

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

This is what I wrote and this is what you somehow misinterpreted because you seem to have some sort of bug up your ass.

"Get ready for scrubs.

We've lost three top-40 type players in a week. We will replace them with exactly zero top-40 players.

That bill will come due in a big way over the next two seasons."

Why you determined that only pertained to Juwan leaving is not my problem. I would think the words "three top-40 type players" would have tipped you off that I was referring to three players, but so be it. I can only write what I write and hope it's enough - I can't drive to your house and explain it to you.

I do have a bug up my a5s. I read this entire thread. If that doesn't put a bug up your wazoo, you're not much of a fan.

I guess it really doesn't matter though.

The team will be better next year than it was this year. Or it won't and Ollie will be gone.

If it's the former, then your posts today will look silly.

If it's the latter, nothing said today will be remembered.

 

[navery12]

That's indeed the best hope that we have: KO knew what was coming, either because he knew they were leaving and a big recruiter could help stem the bleeding, or because they have faith Chillious was going to bring in some strong players and this chased off who we had.

I doubt its the better option, but the worst case scenario is the this blindsided KO.

Basically this, worst case scenario is KO had no idea any of this was coming, hich would shock me honestly. And even in that case we've got a head start in already having Chillious here to hit the recruiting trail hard and get some talent here as soon as possible

Maybe it's the eternal optimist in me, but somehow depsite all this negativity I have hope. We're returning our best player for the first time in a few years, and KO and Chillious appear to have a plan moving forward. Can't help but think there's hope in the distance

 

[lange10]

Regardless of if there's a plan in place why jump ship with all the players you worked to bring in? Guys like Vance, Enoch and Durham have played in our system and with our current players. Ollie is terribly weak at gelling new players together, regardless of talent. We now have 5 returning players, 2 of which were out the entire season. Barring all 5 scholarships getting filled (won't happen) we will have 7 new incoming players. The team will struggle early on and yet again those that defend KO to the grave will be making the excuse that it takes time for a team with all new parts to begin to mesh. Rinse, repeat, recycle. The players do not like KO and do not trust him as a coach. I have numerous sources on this - the same ones that knew Durham was gone last week. The program is not in a good state right now.

 

[Tenspro2002]

That's indeed the best hope that we have: KO knew what was coming, either because he knew they were leaving and a big recruiter could help stem the bleeding, or because they have faith Chillious was going to bring in some strong players and this chased off who we had.

I doubt its the better option, but the worst case scenario is the this blindsided KO.

There are a few possible scenarios here:

1) KO has a solution in place
a. His solution is successful and we can credit KO with knowing when to cut bait with the wrong kind of player and who to bring in instead
b. His solution is unsuccessful and it becomes apparent he was grasping at straws

2) KO has no ready solution in place and has effectively lost control of this program

We should find out quickly whether it is #1 or #2. If it is #2, he should be fired next year, if not sooner.

If it is #1, determining whether it is a or b will take a little longer. If it is 1a, he may well be the long-term answer, having demonstrated tremendous leadership and growth. If it is 1b, he will be canned, but only after 3 years of further driving the program into the ground.

 

[Horatio]

This all just sets the stage for Chillious to show how good a recruiter he truly is. Hopefully this board will allow the man time to unpack, be in his office a couple days, and at least eat one Peppes pizza before he reviews everyone's 4-5 star wish list. It'll work out.

 

[superjohn]

Super-underrated movie. In terms of replacements for Durham, Jackson, Enoch, UConn's going to have to set a pretty low bar. Ain't too proud to beg.

One of the funniest movies ever IMO, gets better on each viewing.

 

[Whtdmd]

Nice kid but not sorry to see him go. He answered yes sir n no sir to all my questions during the opening day of the football game. Enoch n Diarra looked very comfortable but durham was very timid. The what am i doing in ct look. Remember that I said the upperclassmen were not happy with the work ethic of some freshmans. How do u have a body like that and refuse to life weights. Building your upper n lower body strength will not only make u a better player but it prevents injuries. The lost of enoch, jackson and durham will not be hard to replace at all. They r not uconn caliber players, yes that include jackson. Our defense will be much better now. Don't sleep on Cobb, he average 10 rbg when he became a starter in the 2nd half of the yr. We all know rebounding translates in all levels. Now I am pretty sure that ollie plans on a 3 guard offense. I do want to bring back terrence samuel. He is the guard that can give us a good 10 back up minutes a game n more importantly guard the 3.

 

[whaler11]

Dude, the team returns 4 players who have played a minute of Division 1 college basketball.

Adams, Vital and then the 3 games we saw from Larrier and Gilbert.

That's not dysfunctional? Are you kidding me?

There isn't room for someone to be the big fish next year. That's the best line.

Uh....

 

[Danzz]

Chillious just got here and to expect miracles from him right away is too optimistic.

 

[T-Squared]

This is what I wrote and this is what you somehow misinterpreted because you seem to have some sort of bug up your ass.

"Get ready for scrubs.

We've lost three top-40 type players in a week. We will replace them with exactly zero top-40 players.

That bill will come due in a big way over the next two seasons."

Why you determined that only pertained to Juwan leaving is not my problem. I would think the words "three top-40 type players" would have tipped you off that I was referring to three players, but so be it. I can only write what I write and hope it's enough - I can't drive to your house and explain it to you.

If those guys were "top-40 type players" then the folks handing out the rankings don't know what they're doing.

 

[Lefty2one]

Don't sleep on Cobb, he average 10 rbg when he became a starter in the 2nd half of the yr. We all know rebounding translates in all levels.

We do? Didn't Mike Hayes lead the country in rebounding as a JuCo? That didn't exactly translate.

 

[sledog]

A lot to mull over after dealing with yet another train derailment at Penn Station today.

Best I can add is that it seems the tophat / magic wand / red cape combo is in order.

 

[HooperScooper]

Get ready for scrubs.

We've lost three top-40 type players in a week. We will replace them with exactly zero top-40 players.

That bill will come due in a big way over the next two seasons.

And that's exactly what I'm afraid of. Trying to fill out the roster this late with 3, 4 or 5 more players is going to kill them in the next few years. And since the roster has some risk with 3 guys coming off season long injuries I think Ollie is going to try to fill out the roster. I highly doubt he wants to be left shorthanded like he was this year. Ollie is in quite a bind here.

 

[djct1999]

Not sure what's more disturbing, that these players are leaving or that 2 of them showed absolutely nothing in their time at UConn. We don't have a single frontcourt player returning who has played a single minute of college basketball and we have a total of two returning healthy players. Ollie better pull a miracle this spring signing period or his days look to be numbered.

The answer is easy.....these guys showed nothing. I am supposed to get really upset over potential. A lot of guys have potential. Juwan Durham showed me nothing. Literally nothing to be that excited about. Next!!!!!! Give me the free ship!

 

[Towney007]

If those guys were "top-40 type players" then the folks handing out the rankings don't know what they're doing.

I recruit for summer college baseball (not the same, but still) - and while I don't want to talk about myself that much and recognizing it's not anywhere near the same - but I can tell you from having spent more time than any human should have to ever spend on top 100 recruiting lists - they're usually steaming piles of crap. Go through any of them the last four years and tell me how accurate they are. In some cases (Perfect Game), they're almost paid services with some goofball high school sophomore just regurgitating scouting lingo that can be gobbled up by people who want to know, but don't know what they're talking about.

You can watch 60 videos with stop watch on your own and know a kid doesn't run a 6.5 60. Or they'll take his best 60 time or his top velocity and put that on the report page. They overreport height, weight... They mess up handedness, etc. And you'd be surprised - college coaches spend plenty of time getting burned by them all the time.

Given the number of complete and total idiots circling like buzzards around the AAU scene and the like these days, I would actually expect hoops to be substantially worse.