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Doctor Hoop said:
I may have more once I actually absorb the thread, and I may not. The thing is, you've got to go to battle with the soldiers you have, not the ones you don't.
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Yah, but you actually need some soldiers to do that. hahaha
 
I'd be okay with this if we had good recruits coming in to replace all the deification. The guys coming in(Polley, Carlton, Cobb) would normally not be expected to produce much as underclassmen. The one instant impact freshman we had, left. All our prospective recruits fall in the first group of guys I named. Good luck KO.
 
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RUSS56 said:
Someone from the University (Benedict's job), has to hold a presser, because without it, every reason for what is happening is speculation, and the optics to commits for '17-18 are horrific. That has to change, because players still in the program, as well as those coming in, or those that may consider coming in, have to be speculating as well, and they will likely reach the wrong conclusion. Put yourself in that boat, your a current player, a recruited player, or potential added player, are you thinking bout jumping ship? I can only put myself in those shoes, and I'd stay far away, until someone can make a statement. STOP HIDING! STAND UP AND DO YOUR JOB!
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I don't think they need to make a public statement, but they need to be in the ear of every potential UCONN recruit, handlers, and AAU connects and letting them know what's going on. I assume they are.
 
TopDogs said:
I don't want to be a dick here but what, exactly, do you expect someone at the University to say? The way I see it, they can go one of two ways: 1) Blah blah blah. Ten toes in. We UConn. OR 2) Here's all of the dirty laundry.

Either scenario doesn't seem terribly useful.
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Anyone who starts of saying "I don't want to be" really wants to be. I gave you a like just because you were a DICK!
 
Storrs South said:
A warning again for now and future posts of this nature, I do not have contacts into the program so what I hear is more from the player/AAU perspective. Now we know from the beat writers that MAL was promised minutes, we did not know how much or significant. From those I spoke to, it sounded as if the staff anticipated Jalen would be in the NBA next season and that was communicated to him in terms of how minutes would be doled out. Considering he de-committed on Friday and Jalen assured he was coming back Saturday maybe he knew (or maybe it was just fairly obvious).

Either way, as I speculated a couple days ago in the MAL thread, I think this is just more ammo to the argument Jalen was not supposed to be here next year and it was supposed to be Gilbert/MAL running the show. So I don't think @UConNation was wrong on this as much as Miller being fired may have just been the straw that broke the camels back on this issue. If Miller was his biggest advocate and now he's gone, what was he supposed to expect with Adams/Gilbert/Vital in the fold?
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You figure Jalen averaged 35 minutes on a team decimated by injuries, Vital around 30 and the the wildcard is Gilbert. Say he returns and plays 30 minutes a game.

If we're playing 3 guards on the court at all times, which given our roster construction, I don't see how we couldn't.

Adams 35 / 40
Vital 30 / 40
Gilbert 30 / 40

At minimum you're looking at 25 minutes per game and if MAL is as good as advertised, you think he would be worried about losing PT to Vital?

I don't doubt your post. I just think there are bigger issues on hand here than PT.
 
Huskyforlife said:
I'd be okay with this if we had good recruits coming in to replace all the deification. The guys coming in(Polley, Carlton, Cobb) would normally not be expected to produce much as underclassmen. The one instant impact freshman we had, left. All our prospective recruits fall in the first group of guys I named. Good luck KO.
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MAL was not going to play over Adams/Gilbert/Vital. There is only so much room on the floor.
 
BaZZnBOAT said:
MAL was not going to play over Adams/Gilbert/Vital. There is only so much room on the floor.
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Disagree on Vital. Most sites had Vital around a top 150 recruit. MAL was around top 30. Big difference in the perceived talent level.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
Anyone who starts of saying "I don't want to be" really wants to be. I gave you a like just because you were a DICK!
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Nah, I really didn't want to be. I spent a very long time visiting this board as a non-member and then several months after creating an account before I ever posted anything. We have enough dicks here. My goal is to be... dickless? (that's not right). But, if I came off as a dick, then ok. I'll own that.
 
huskyniner said:
This one pisses me off. Loyalty by honoring a scholarship through two ACL tears isn't reciprocated. What a joke.
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Yep screw him. Had a lot of potential, but played soft and ran ducking down like he was getting shot at.
 
BaZZnBOAT said:
MAL was not going to play over Adams/Gilbert/Vital. There is only so much room on the floor.
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No way of knowing in advance who would have been the best players next season.

There are a slew of plausible reasons that impacted MAL's decision. Anyone or a combo of them could have been behind his decision.

Miller being fired. The result of a dismal season.
Massive defections. The result of a dismal season.
Some coach reached out to him from a program with a potentially better situation next season. Plausible based on this years dismal season.
The injury to Alterique resulting in a red shirt. Something that contributed to this dismal season
The unforeseen development with Christian. A positive and now a potential negative from this dismal season.
The belief that Jalen would go pro after this season. Dispelled because dismal seasons rarely help any but the most exceptional college players.
KO did not look and even act his best all season The result of a dismal season.

I won't mention a dismal season contributed to the decision.
 
TopDogs said:
Nah, I really didn't want to be. I spent a very long time visiting this board as a non-member and then several months after creating an account before I ever posted anything. We have enough dicks here. My goal is to be... dickless? (that's not right). But, if I came off as a dick, then ok. I'll own that.
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I was laughing when I wrote my post to you. No way you came off acting like a dick. I was the one being a dick by making an issue about it.
 
UConnfan8 said:
Really, it's getting to the point where people are rationalizing, "well they weren't that good...not a big deal...etc etc" and I get that. Durham was never going to be the player we thought he would be after those injuries. Vance would never survive KO and how he was being used. Enoch needed to go somewhere else to improve. MAL wanted to see other options...These guys are theoretically ALL replaceable.

But really...wtf are we going to do?? Are we going to be replacing these people with kids who can play next year?? Is there a plan?? Or does Ollie have his hands in his pockets and are really going to field a team of about 7 next year? Really I'm at a loss for words not because of the people transferring, but because of the sheer amount of it going on this year. I've never seen anything like this before. What the hell do we do now?
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In Chillious we trust..
 
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When the Ollie recruiting class was ranked top 10, a lot of people were applauding these players, how good we are going to be. A lot of these same posters are now diminishing all the players leaving, as if they are nothing. Gotta love this place!
 
Maybe a few of you remember this article, about the current UConn head coach:

The easy way has never been Kevin Ollie's way.

"When he tells a kid, 'you have to do this or that,' he did it," said Jim Calhoun, who turned the program over to Ollie in September 2012. "I watched him do it.

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"This team is a reflection of Kevin Ollie, just the way he is in life every day," forward DeAndre Daniels said. "He's always passionate about what he does. He always had the workouts and he used to kill guys, the hardest individual workout you could possibly go through. There is never a day he doesn't bring it in practice or a game."​

Maybe he found out that his recruiters had brought in a bunch of guys that were softer than he wanted to coach, and weren't willing to go through "the hardest individual workout you could possibly go through." I don't think he wants the strongest team. He wants the hardest working team. And he didn't see it.

Adams fits the mold. Vital fits the mold. And I'll bet Diarra does too. And I'll wager that Polley, Cobb and Carlton have been told they'll be working like they've never worked before, and they're okay with it. And Larrier and Gilbert better be all in with working hard coming off injury.
 
Storrs South said:
A warning again for now and future posts of this nature, I do not have contacts into the program so what I hear is more from the player/AAU perspective. Now we know from the beat writers that MAL was promised minutes, we did not know how much or significant. From those I spoke to, it sounded as if the staff anticipated Jalen would be in the NBA next season and that was communicated to him in terms of how minutes would be doled out. Considering he de-committed on Friday and Jalen assured he was coming back Saturday maybe he knew (or maybe it was just fairly obvious).

Either way, as I speculated a couple days ago in the MAL thread, I think this is just more ammo to the argument Jalen was not supposed to be here next year and it was supposed to be Gilbert/MAL running the show. So I don't think @UConNation was wrong on this as much as Miller being fired may have just been the straw that broke the camels back on this issue. If Miller was his biggest advocate and now he's gone, what was he supposed to expect with Adams/Gilbert/Vital in the fold?
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Didn't see this when I posted something about minutes factoring into his decision.
But I wouldn't eliminate that Miller was a factor.

Let's hope the factor of a recruiting coach helps us land Harris.
 
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intlzncster said:
I don't think they need to make a public statement, but they need to be in the ear of every potential UCONN recruit, handlers, and AAU connects and letting them know what's going on. I assume they are.
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True..you would think if you were a recruit you would be hearing directly from the program..not the media..
 
Doctor Hoop said:
But maybe not so big a difference in perceived ability to contribute in the team concept.
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At the end of the season Christian demonstrated he could run a team. Mid season he was turnover prone or drove to the basket and got blocked. But by the end of the season the light went off for the kid. It was a shame that as that happened Kentan couldn't buy a basket.

I wish MAL came to UConn. No equivocating how much he might have contributed. But it is not preposterous that MAL considered his path to minutes got more difficult with how things played out this season and part of that consideration is Christian's development.
 
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