Dom Amore: If Big 12 calls, UConn will have to choose between Big East love and Power Five money.

[champs99and04]

You're talking about UConn being back in an all sports northeast conference with pretty much all of our rivals... yes Rutgers was a football rival but that would be trivial in the scheme of this scenario.

The rivalry could be replaced. It's recruiting I'm worried about. UConn needs those Jersey recruits to get the program back to where it was 10-15 years ago, and Rutgers is the only viable FBS program in that area.

 

[August_West]

There are football-first fans here who think this lineup would be great. Here is one of several responses to one of my very few posts on the Football Forum. I don't think I'll go back there. They're an emotional bunch.

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I thought it pointless to respond.

I try to be sympathetic as a UConn alum and fan. I love all our schools sports but when they accuse me of wanting the football program to die because I'm a hoops fan, it is not accurate, in fact it's the opposite, I keep seeing decisions made that hurt the hoops program to give the football program an oxygen mask. I remember how many people were upset when we went to BigEast and had to have indy football instead of staying in AAC to stick out football. You guys were wrong. It's been proven. And now I want to trust you again? You want hoops to put their necks on a chopping block AGAIN. For what?

Im all for finding a good solution for all of us. But it is wrong to ask us to twist in the wind again for a wing and a prayer. Let Jim Mora ( who I love) continue to work his magic and lets actually do something here. Not end up in AAC 2.0

 

[Kolumbo]

Regarding rivalries, it didn't take me long at all to hate Creighton. The only basketball program in the Big 12 that doesn't interest me is UCF.

I am nostalgic for the Big East, but mostly MSG and the original rivals - SJU, Georgetown, Nova, SHU, even PC. Marquette has moved up. I don't really have a problem losing them again to replace them with football schools. Hey, 5 rings is awfully nice and UConn has had more than it's share of glorious moments. It's time to focus on football and I believe that would also benefit basketball in the not too distant future. Who knows.

 

[John]

There are football-first fans here who think this lineup would be great. Here is one of several responses to one of my very few posts on the Football Forum. I don't think I'll go back there. They're an emotional bunch.

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I thought it pointless to respond.

Kansas tournament
Baylor tournament
ISU tournament
WVU tournament
Houston tournament
Kansas St tournament
TCU tournament

 

[August_West]

It's time to focus on football

 

[bendm]

Im all for finding a good solution for all of us. But it is wrong to ask us to twist in the wind again for a wing and a prayer.

so recognizing that UConn is never getting invited to the BIG or SEC, what's the best outcome?

once the BIG and SEC pick off the remaining most valuable PAC and ACC schools, where does that leave us?

clearly, the answer is in a conference that supports all sports comprised of the remaining easternmost BIG12 and ACC schools e.g. Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, WVU, Cincy, UCF, etc.

we are 100% more likely to be included in that conference if we join the big12 now then if we were to stay in the BE. assuming we could make the leap from the BE to that conference is the wing and a prayer.

and who said we would have to take a reduced cut to join the BIG12? we could potentially be cashing $30+ million checks every year from now until 2036 when the ACC GOR expires.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I try to be sympathetic as a UConn alum and fan. I love all our schools sports but when they accuse me of wanting the football program to die because I'm a hoops fan, it is not accurate, in fact it's the opposite, I keep seeing decisions made that hurt the hoops program to give the football program an oxygen mask. I remember how many people were upset when we went to BigEast and had to have indy football instead of staying in AAC to stick out football. You guys were wrong. It's been proven. And now I want to trust you again? You want hoops to put their necks on a chopping block AGAIN. For what?

Im all for finding a good solution for all of us. But it is wrong to ask us to twist in the wind again for a wing and a prayer. Let Jim Mora ( who I love) continue to work his magic and lets actually do something here. Not end up in AAC 2.0

I can't keep this straight, so we're a blue blood and one of the nations best programs or being in an average league for 5 years was going to be the death of the sport itself at UConn?

 

[August_West]

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I can't keep this straight, so we're a blue blood and one of the nations best programs or being in an average league for 5 years was going to be the death of the sport itself at UConn?

I mean that sums it up, do you need the quotes from the AD and BB coach?

 

[aburks41]

The people comparing the B12 to the AAC are mental. Let's take a look at the top 50 2023 recruiting rankings, excluding UConn, Oklahoma, and Texas.

Big 12:
#6 Kansas
#9 Oklahoma State
#11 Iowa State
#12 Baylor
#20 Kansas State
#22 Houston
#35 Cincy
#49 TCU

Big East:
#16 Xavier
#27 Marquette
End of list.

But sure, the B12 is bad for basketball...

 

[August_West]

The people comparing the B12 to the AAC are mental. Let's take a look at the top 50 2023 recruiting rankings, excluding UConn, Oklahoma, and Texas.

Big 12:
#6 Kansas
#9 Oklahoma State
#11 Iowa State
#12 Baylor
#20 Kansas State
#22 Houston
#35 Cincy
#49 TCU

Big East:
#16 Xavier
#27 Marquette
End of list.

But sure, the B12 is bad for basketball...

Cool. There are 3 teams there that are not flashes. Kansas with Self, Baylor with Drew, and Houston with Sampson. All the rest are Providence lite. K state, Cinci (lol Kobe) TCU (what?) Iowa State (who?) OK state (wait what? ) are zilch in the BBall landscape. Keep me with Pitino, Smart, McDermott, Miller, Cooley, Matta, et.al.

I may not know football enough, but I KNOW basketball. Big East is a better conference over next 8 years all things being equal on a hoops floor. and thats before we even talk about why its better to be in the Northeast.

 

[EnochRoot]

Cool. There are 3 teams there that are not flashes. Kansas with Self, Baylor with Drew, and Houston with Sampson. All the rest are Providence lite. K state, Cinci (lol Kobe) TCU (what?) Iowa State (who?) OK state (wait what? ) are zilch in the BBall landscape. Keep me with Pitino, Smart, McDermott, Miller, Cooley, Matta, et.al.

I may not know football enough, but I KNOW basketball. Big East is a better conference over next 8 years all things being equal on a hoops floor.

Plus, nobody gives a crap about the Big 12. The Big East has rivalries UConn fans and alumni care about.

 

[August_West]

Plus, nobody gives a crap about the Big 12. The Big East has rivalries UConn fans and alumni care about.

Thats been proven too. Im supposed to get excited about UCF and Cincinatti and Houston coming back to XL? Texas tech? TCU? Iowa State?

 

[August_West]

Thats been proven too. Im supposed to get excited about UCF and Cincinatti and Houston coming back to XL? Texas tech? TCU? Iowa State?

Cant wait until BYU is at Gampel on a Wednesday night.

 

[metsfan2323]

The people comparing the B12 to the AAC are mental. Let's take a look at the top 50 2023 recruiting rankings, excluding UConn, Oklahoma, and Texas.

Big 12:
#6 Kansas
#9 Oklahoma State
#11 Iowa State
#12 Baylor
#20 Kansas State
#22 Houston
#35 Cincy
#49 TCU

Big East:
#16 Xavier
#27 Marquette
End of list.

But sure, the B12 is bad for basketball...

and we get an additional 30 million in tv revenue and football ticket sales per year to boot.

This debate is over. Not accepting a B12 invitation would be the dumbest business decision in the history of the school.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Cool. There are 3 teams there that are not flashes. Kansas with Self, Baylor with Drew, and Houston with Sampson. All the rest are Providence lite. K state, Cinci (lol Kobe) TCU (what?) Iowa State (who?) OK state (wait what? ) are zilch in the BBall landscape. Keep me with Pitino, Smart, McDermott, Miller, Cooley, Matta, et.al.

I may not know football enough, but I KNOW basketball. Big East is a better conference over next 8 years all things being equal on a hoops floor. and thats before we even talk about why its better to be in the Northeast.

Half those coaches won’t be at big east schools if they continue doing well. That’s because schools in the top conferences can afford to buy them away. You think Shaka and Miller see those schools as their end games? McDermott has been in tons of rumors over the last couple seasons. The only programs immune to this are UConn/Nova/Georgetown because their prestige is relative to blue bloods.

The Big East was life raft for us. It was better than floundering away in the mid major football conference, but that isn’t what the B12 is offering. Adding UConn and potentially another basketball power would only re affirm their current position as the best. Which conference has a better big 3 in basketball than Kansas/UConn/Baylor?

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Cool. There are 3 teams there that are not flashes. Kansas with Self, Baylor with Drew, and Houston with Sampson. All the rest are Providence lite. K state, Cinci (lol Kobe) TCU (what?) Iowa State (who?) OK state (wait what? ) are zilch in the BBall landscape. Keep me with Pitino, Smart, McDermott, Miller, Cooley, Matta, et.al.

I may not know football enough, but I KNOW basketball. Big East is a better conference over next 8 years all things being equal on a hoops floor. and thats before we even talk about why its better to be in the Northeast.

Half the big east is in the Midwest! Lol.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Cool. There are 3 teams there that are not flashes. Kansas with Self, Baylor with Drew, and Houston with Sampson. All the rest are Providence lite. K state, Cinci (lol Kobe) TCU (what?) Iowa State (who?) OK state (wait what? ) are zilch in the BBall landscape. Keep me with Pitino, Smart, McDermott, Miller, Cooley, Matta, et.al.

I may not know football enough, but I KNOW basketball. Big East is a better conference over next 8 years all things being equal on a hoops floor. and thats before we even talk about why its better to be in the Northeast.

You actually believe that you can defend a claim that PC is better than Kansas St, Oklahoma St and Iowa St as a basketball program? You did refer to them as PC lite.

You pick the time frame that you believe is most appropriate to judge basketball programs and I will gladly debate you on this topic.

 

[August_West]

and we get an additional 30 million in tv revenue and football ticket sales per year to boot.

This debate is over. Not taking the offer would be dumbest business decision in the history of the school.

The problem is you are fighting a fight that we lost 12 years ago. It's not the same any longer. The whole landscape on what it means to be in a P5 conference has changed. USC? UCLA? Texas? Oklahoma? they aint in their conferences any longer. Get on the current playing field.

We were the historically the poster child for being the school that got screwed the worst by CR. Cant argue with that, its true. If we were smart now we should be the poster child of the school who flips the bird at after though invites while we continue to blaze a new trail .

 

[August_West]

Half the big east is in the Midwest! Lol.

How many B12 schools within 200 miles of CT?

Do math for me here.

 

[August_West]

You actually believe that you can defend a claim that PC is better than Kansas St, Oklahoma St and Iowa St as a basketball program? You did refer to them as PC lite.

You pick the time frame that you believe is most appropriate to judge basketball programs and I will gladly debate you on this topic.

Absolutely. It absolutely is. LOL Iowa State. Id rather play PC every day of the week.

 

[metsfan2323]

The problem is you are fighting a fight that we lost 12 years ago. It's not the same any longer. The whole landscape on what it means to be in a P5 conference has changed. USC? UCLA? Texas? Oklahoma? they aint in their conferences any longer. Get on the current playing field.

We were the historically the poster child for being the school that got screwed the worst by CR. Cant argue with that, its true. If we were smart now we should be the poster child of the school who flips the bird at after though invites while we continue to blaze a new trail .

Weak argument. I take it that if you ever got bit by a dog you would never go outside again.'

Your post is further evidence that the debate is over.

 

[Mr. Hand]

You actually believe that you can defend a claim that PC is better than Kansas St, Oklahoma St and Iowa St as a basketball program? You did refer to them as PC lite.

You pick the time frame that you believe is most appropriate to judge basketball programs and I will gladly debate you on this topic.

Not speaking for anyone but myself, but I prefer Providence as a conference mate way more than those other three. I know dozens of Providence alums in real life. To my knowledge, I've never met an alum from the other three.

Rivalries mean something. That value is independent somewhat from just the raw state of a program.

 

[August_West]

Weak argument. I take it that if you ever got bit by a dog you would never go outside again.'

Your post is further evidence that the debate is over.

Nah. You might be surprised at where the debate actually lies right now with the people who matter.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

How many B12 schools within 200 miles of CT?

Do math for me here.

Again, were talking maybe 6 additional longer trips a year for men's basketball. Do they not take a plane cross country to play in Omaha Nebraska?

 

[metsfan2323]

Nah. You might be surprised at where the debate actually lies right now with the people who matter.

'Then the school is being run by a bunch of cowards who should resign and go home to their mommy.

and of course they would use student fees to fund their trip home.

 

[August_West]

Again, were talking maybe 6 additional longer trips a year for men's basketball. Do they not take a plane cross country to play in Omaha Nebraska?

We play 10 league road games a year.

 

[August_West]

'Then the school is being run by a bunch of cowards who should resign and go home to their mommy.

If the mommy is in the Northeast I agree.

 

[UCONNRPh]

Half the big east is in the Midwest! Lol.

plus Diacos Rival, UCF

 

[CL82]

If the mommy is in the Northeast I agree.

For a guy who is famously critical of conference realignment discussions, you are beating the crap out of this dead horse.

Maybe both sides of this argument can put it on hold until we actually get an offer?

 

[TheRealKBuks]

When we were in the Big East FB success impeded the BB program? How?

Your either missing the point or I'm not being clear enough.

For the current football team to succeed we would need to join a power conference.

Joining a power conference like the big 12 will damage our basketball product in the exact same way the AAC did.

Same as the ACC did to cuse, Pitt, BC and they are less of an outlier than we would be in the big 12.

WV Bball has been consistent but can't sniff a final four since joining the big 12.

Name a team that has left the big east and their basketball team improved? Miami? It's a short list