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Dom Amore: If Big 12 calls, UConn will have to choose between Big East love and Power Five money.

noeynox said:
I mean we will never be Michigan or Ohio State in Football so we shouldn't try to be Minnesota or Purdue either. BB has spoiled this fanbase. If you're not at the tippity top of the sport you shouldn't try. In its first ever game at The Rent this program pimp smacked Indiana.
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We went to the Fiesta Bowl, why can’t we do that again? Mora is a huge upgrade.
 
TheRealKBuks said:
Yes baseball and football are two big winners and our bread and butter basketball team loses. What killed us in the AAC and what makes us thrive in the Big East is geographical and cultural fit. We are a northeast basketball powerhouse. I don't care that we would play Kansas every year, this will be the end of the our dominance in MBB.

I get why UConn would have to join the big 12 if offered but understand we will become like Syracuse and Pitt in the ACC.

As a fan, I am not willing to sacrifice one of the greatest basketball programs in college history to get a check and act like we belong in football.I. would rather drop the football team entirely than be Syracuse or Pitt basketball. I know I'm not the only one.
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I don’t think rivalries take as long to develop as some of us think. Take Cincy for example. They didn’t even join the Big East until 2005, but because we both ended up in the AAC we quickly became rivals and those were some great games. We also very quickly formed a rivalry with Houston. The same would happen in the Big 12. I think we’d have instant rivalries with Kansas and Baylor that after even a few years would really start to simmer. As long as we’re playing high quality basketball teams I don’t personally care so much. As a side note, I MUCH prefer the Big 12 style of basketball to the Big 10.
It’s not even close. The Big 10 style of slow white guys who just jack up 100 3’s a game is not fun to watch and history has shown it isn’t very effective come March.

Imagine having almost EVERY home game in our conference being a top 25 ranked team. That’s what it would have been like if we were in the Big 12 this year. It’s the closest thing to the old Big East there has been.
 
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dwalks93 said:
What is happening in the ACC now is what happened in the Big12 in 2016.

The football powers (OU and Texas in the Big12 and Clemson and FSU in the ACC) were seeing their revenue drop below the SEC and BIG10 programs and they put the conference on notice they are leaving unless their payout improved.

In both cases, the football powers “explored” expansion purely as a way to increase revenue. Truthfully everyone knew there were no available programs which could bring in that kind of immediate revenue but it allowed TX and OU to say they tried to stay with the Big12 but couldn’t make the money work. It was purely kabuki theater designed to help their PR optics when they left.

The difference now is the BIg12 is looking for stability and long term growth…programs that can actually grow in value even if they aren’t $40 million producers now. UConn fits that model.

For those saying UConn should hold out for an ACC offer i’d opine it ain’t coming while FSU and Clemson are in the ACC drivers seat. They are just the new TX and OU who wouldn’t allow expansion in 2016. If it doesn’t add to their immediate football prestige and payout they aren’t interested. UConn can’t meet that standard now.

Btw the top half of the Big12 is stronger than the bottom half of the ACC. When the top half of the ACC gets poached by the SEC/BIG the Big12 will be the stronger league and in a better position to absorb the middling ACC programs. When that happens UConn would be well served too already be in the Big12.
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How is the top half of the ACC going to get poached when they’re tied to the league by a GOR which no one has yet found a way around and when current exit fees would cost them $120 million?

The Big XII was inherently unstable because there was uneven revenue distribution, so the rest of the league wasn’t necessarily unhappy to see TX and OK go. The circumstances in the ACC are different.
 
HuskyHawk said:
The simplest explanation is that it's a club. Why is Miss State in it? Vandy? Rutgers? Once you're in the club, you're perceived as being in the club. When a later shakeout comes, if it does, those schools in the club will have priority over those not in the club. Now, we can say that maybe there will be tiers, SEC/B1G -> Next two conferences -> the rest of FBS -> BB Only. Right now we are in both the last two tiers, and if a chance to move up comes, you take it.
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This is too simplistic.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Put another way, never has a non-P5 school gotten a P5 invite and turned it down. And yes, I realize by the time an invite is extended votes and the invitation have already been settled.

First you promote up and get a seat at the table. Then, if things go awry you look to optimize.

Any port in a storm is rule #1.
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Well... Notre Dame.

Apparently Colorado and Arizona have put Big 12 invitations on ice to see how the PAC-12 shakes out.

I mean, technically the PAC-12 is a Big 5 league, but at this point, they are as much so as the Big East.
 
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Hurleyman216 said:
I don’t think rivalries take as long to develop as some of us think. Take Cincy for example. They didn’t even join the Big East until 2005, but because we both ended up in the AAC we quickly became rivals and those were some great games. We also very quickly formed a rivalry with Houston. The same would happen in the Big 12. I think we’d have instant rivalries with Kansas and Baylor that after even a few years would really start to simmer. As long as we’re playing high quality basketball teams I don’t personally care so much. As a side note, I MUCH prefer the Big 12 style of basketball to the Big 10.
It’s not even close. The Big 10 style of slow white guys who just jack up 100 3’s a game is not fun to watch and history has shown it isn’t very effective come March.

Imagine having almost EVERY home game in our conference being a top 25 ranked team. That’s what it would have been like if we were in the Big 12 this year. It’s the closest thing to the old Big East there has been.
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They might not take long to develop for you, but they do for the general public, the general “ticket buying” public. People will always buy tickets and watch on TV in good times, but it’s in the not-so-good years that we find out how much interest there really is. And that happened when attendance cratered in the AAC when things were not so good. It never happened in the Big East years precisely because fans cared about the rivalries, the ones they argued about with friends, family, and co-workers who went to other Big East schools. An upset of another Big East school was a big deal in an off year for exactly this reason. The rivalry factor is why the Army-Navy game means so much. If one of those teams hasn’t won a game all year, but wins that one, then the season is a success. Same for Michigan-Ohio State and any number of other rivalries around the country. There would be absolutely none of that in the Big XII.
 
TheRealKBuks said:
Not saying we can't, I'm saying if we do it will be at the expense of our basketball team
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What happened a few months after our Fiesta bowl appearance?

I will repeat a response I made to an A-Dub post. There is a serious flaw in logic if you believe we. An only be successful in men's hoops if we are in the Big East. I will add that if this is truly the case, our program isn't close to what we want to believe it is.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
What happened a few months after our Fiesta bowl appearance?

I will repeat a response I made to an A-Dub post. There is a serious flaw in logic if you believe we. An only be successful in men's hoops if we are in the Big East. I will add that if this is truly the case, our program isn't close to what we want to believe it is.
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It has nothing to do with our level as a program. There are far more examples of teams leaving the Big East and failing to maintain basketball excellence, than leaving the Big East and succeeding.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
What happened a few months after our Fiesta bowl appearance?

I will repeat a response I made to an A-Dub post. There is a serious flaw in logic if you believe we. An only be successful in men's hoops if we are in the Big East. I will add that if this is truly the case, our program isn't close to what we want to believe it is.
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Other top programs would also be hurt if they were the one geographic and cultural outlier in a new conference where instead of running things like they did in their previous conference they are now the outsiders playing by the rules of the good old boys.
 
noeynox said:
When we were in the Big East FB success impeded the BB program? How?
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I think most would agree that returning to something like the old Big East would be ideal for all programs. I just don't know whether a Big 12 invite would promise that, and if it did, how quickly. Even in a perfect world where we're in a division with Cuse, WVU, Pitt, Cincy, etc. again, losing Rutgers still leaves a huge void.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
What happened a few months after our Fiesta bowl appearance?

I will repeat a response I made to an A-Dub post. There is a serious flaw in logic if you believe we. An only be successful in men's hoops if we are in the Big East. I will add that if this is truly the case, our program isn't close to what we want to believe it is.
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Everyone will have their own opinion about the circumstances and the reasons why, but we had a losing record in conference play in the last 4 years combined in the AAC and were only 1 game over .500 overall in those same 4 years.

Draw your own conclusions. But that’s what people are looking at.
 
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TheRealKBuks said:
It has nothing to do with our level as a program. There are far more examples of teams leaving the Big East and failing to maintain basketball excellence, than leaving the Big East and succeeding.
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Are there any examples of teams leaving and succeeding at a higher level than they did in the Big East? This year’s run to the Final 4 by Miami 20 years after they left the Bug East?
 
champs99and04 said:
I think most would agree that returning to something like the old Big East would be ideal for all programs. I just don't know whether a Big 12 invite would promise that, and if it did, how quickly. Even in a perfect world where we're in a division with Cuse, WVU, Pitt, Cincy, etc. again, losing Rutgers still leaves a huge void.
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We must have very different definitions of "huge void".
 
Billy Jack said:
but we had a losing record in conference play in the last 4 years combined in the AAC and were only 1 game over .500 overall in those same 4 years.
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Well, having Moe, Larry and Curley as coaches was part of the reason for that......
 
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Billy Jack said:
Everyone will have their own opinion about the circumstances and the reasons why, but we had a losing record in conference play in the last 4 years combined in the AAC and were only 1 game over .500 overall in those same 4 years.

Draw your own conclusions. But that’s what people are looking at.
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I always love the vitriol that a number of posters on this board display to this day about KO and then, in other threads, many of the same posters state that the demise of the program was due to the AAC. You can gave it both ways, yes, AAC membership would have made it considerably more difficult to restore the program (after KO sunk it) than BE membership would have. That doesn't mean that if KO did his job correctly we would have still sunk. If we maintained our level of success from the last eight or so years in the BE we would have been fine.
 
champs99and04 said:
Well, there must be a reason the Big Ten added them, no?
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John said:
in terms of a pre-existing natural football rival, Rutgers would be missed.
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You're talking about UConn being back in an all sports northeast conference with pretty much all of our rivals... yes Rutgers was a football rival but that would be trivial in the scheme of this scenario.
 
TheRealKBuks said:
It has nothing to do with our level as a program. There are far more examples of teams leaving the Big East and failing to maintain basketball excellence, than leaving the Big East and succeeding.
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I'd wager that Syracuse, from when they first joined the ACC up until JB decided it was more important playing his kids did every bit as well as they did over the same time frame through their last day in the BE.
 
How exactly does the move to the Big 12 hurt our basketball program? We will have ZERO problems filling up seats vs Kansas State and TCU if the basketball program stays top 25 ranked, which they will under Hurley.

People aren’t going out to random Tuesday night games because UConn is playing Butler or Georgetown. The “culture and rivalry” does not mean anything. I do not care what your alumni friends tell you. People will go to games if the team is good, and the team will be even better in the Big 12 with the more national spotlight and resources. This is a no brainer.
 
August_West said:
Who are the top names in B12 ? Kansas?


I’m salivating at the thought of OK state, Texas Tech, Iowa State, TCU etc… real marquee stuff here.
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There are football-first fans here who think this lineup would be great. Here is one of several responses to one of my very few posts on the Football Forum. I don't think I'll go back there. They're an emotional bunch.

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I thought it pointless to respond.
 
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