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Dom Amore: If Big 12 calls, UConn will have to choose between Big East love and Power Five money.

superjohn said:
Nova isn't a one coach basketball program, they're a significantly better program than any program in the Big 12 not named Kansas. Coaches could leave the Big East is such a dumb argument, coaches could leave any conference. McDermott was not very very close to leaving Creighton a month ago, you're talking out of your butt.
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McDermott would be at Notre Dame right now if Shrewsbury had decided to stay at Penn State.
 
aburks41 said:
McDermott would be at Notre Dame right now if Shrewsbury had decided to stay at Penn State.
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Sure. He's turned down better jobs than Notre Dame, he's leaving Creighton when he retires.
 
superjohn said:
You don't think Duke, UNC, and Syracuse will have the money for basketball coaches? You think those basketball programs are done being relevant?
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They have the money, but who knows how long it’ll be before they each hire the right guy to bring them back to prominence. The point is, coaches are fickle, staying in the Big East because “Coaches good,” is bad logic because of how quickly that WILL change. Only 3(4 if you count Pitino) of the Big East coaches view their jobs as long term positions, every B12 job is a long term position, unless a blue blood comes calling.
 
aburks41 said:
I would bet on Pitino. He’s obviously one of the best coaches ever, but he’s also like 75 years old. How long will he be there for? 3-4 years max? He’s not a long term guy.

And Cooley…lol. This clowns crowning achievement is a Sweet 16 and convincing his wife not to dump him after he cheated on her. If we’re banking on him to turn Georgetown into a championship contender, we’ve just signed our death certificate
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Well, you’re wrong on both counts. Pitino is 70. So, add 5 years to your 3-4 year estimate of his future and he’s there for most of the next decade.

I’m not going to argue with you about how good a coach Cooley is. I’ll let Georgetown do the talking. They just agreed to pay him $6 million per year, which is the 2nd highest pay check for any college basketball coaches. They don’t pay bad coaches $6 million.
 
1. The Big 12 has been the best college basketball conference in the country over the last few years.

2. There are plenty of good reasons to be excited about the Big12 if you're a UConn fan.

3. Anyone who thinks UConn basketball is better off in the Big 12 than the Big East is borderline delusional.

These statements can all be true. This program is poised to have a 2013-22 Villanova type run and the Big East is a big part of it. Doesn't mean it can't still be a great program in the Big 12, but it will be a lot harder.
 
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aburks41 said:
Idk if you're being sarcastic or not, but yeah...they are.

And we're banking on Nova not turning into a dumpster fire with Neptune, and Miller not bouncing the first time a P5 school comes calling. McDermott was also very very close to leaving Creighton a month ago.
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No, I wasn't bring sarcastic; being realistic. Agree with you that the BE is at a turning point - it needs Nova to remain a top 10-20 program, St. John's to rise into an NCAAT team again, and two of Butler, DePaul and Georgetown to improve markedly. The bottom half really needs to create a deeper BE.
 
Billy Jack said:
Well, you’re wrong on both counts. Pitino is 70. So, add 5 years to your 3-4 year estimate of his future and he’s there for most of the next decade.

I’m not going to argue with you about how good a coach Cooley is. I’ll let Georgetown do the talking. They just agreed to pay him $6 million per year, which is the 2nd highest pay check for any college basketball coaches. They don’t pay bad coaches $6 million.
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For their sake he has to be, no way they're able to swallow a buy-out.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
That's one hell of an argument. We should stay in the Big East because no other member of the conference is attractive to other conferences.
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this is the argument for why the big 12 is stable at this time, because nobody is going to want to poach these programs.
 
Jbirdp5 said:
this is the argument for why the big 12 is stable at this time, because nobody is going to want to poach these programs.
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Well more specifically, the P2 likely won't poach the Big 12. That means a lot if you want to be a stable #3. And rumors have included Nova, Georgetown, and SJU so AW's comment about the Big East doesn't hold water.
 
Kolumbo said:
Well more specifically, the P2 likely won't poach the Big 12. That means a lot if you want to be a stable #3. And rumors have included Nova, Georgetown, and SJU so AW's comment about the Big East doesn't hold water.
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Even more specifically the programs that "nobody" wants in the Big12 are pulling in $40M a year. Not a bad place to be for an undesirable.
 
How would you tier our current opponents and potential B12 opponents? Mine-

Tier I- Cancel everything, find a ticket
- Kansas
Tier II- Plenty of juice
- Villanova, Providence, Baylor
Tier III- Above average interest
- St. John's, West Virginia, Marquette, Georgetown, Creighton, Xavier, Cincinnati
Tier IV- Meat and potatoes
- Seton Hall, Houston, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas State, Butler
Tier V- Eww
- BYU, Texas Tech, DePaul, TCU, UCF

Everyone will have their own tiers of course. The top of mine is actually pretty similar between the conferences but the bottom is dominated by B12 teams
 
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Tyler2Rings said:
How would you tier our current opponents and potential B12 opponents? Mine-

Tier I- Cancel everything, find a ticket
- Kansas
Tier II- Plenty of juice
- Villanova, Providence, Baylor
Tier III- Above average interest
- St. John's, West Virginia, Marquette, Georgetown, Creighton, Xavier, Cincinnati
Tier IV- Meat and potatoes
- Seton Hall, Houston, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas State, Butler
Tier V- Eww
- BYU, Texas Tech, DePaul, TCU, UCF

Everyone will have their own tiers of course. The top of mine is actually pretty similar between the conferences but the bottom is dominated by B12 teams
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Mine is very similar to yours. My caveat would be that Big East has two programs - Georgetown and St. John's could get bumped to Plenty of Juice if they ever got consistently good again.

Tier I- Cancel everything, find a ticket

- Kansas

Tier II- Plenty of juice

- Villanova, Providence

Tier III- Above average interest

- St. John's, West Virginia, Marquette, Georgetown, Creighton, Xavier, Cincinnati, Baylor, Seton Hall

Tier IV- Meat and potatoes

-Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Iowa State, Houston

Tier V- Eww

- BYU, Texas Tech, DePaul, TCU, UCF, Butler
 
Tyler2Rings said:
How would you tier our current opponents and potential B12 opponents? Mine-

Tier I- Cancel everything, find a ticket
- Kansas
Tier II- Plenty of juice
- Villanova, Providence, Baylor
Tier III- Above average interest
- St. John's, West Virginia, Marquette, Georgetown, Creighton, Xavier, Cincinnati
Tier IV- Meat and potatoes
- Seton Hall, Houston, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas State, Butler
Tier V- Eww
- BYU, Texas Tech, DePaul, TCU, UCF

Everyone will have their own tiers of course. The top of mine is actually pretty similar between the conferences but the bottom is dominated by B12 teams
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Nice list- I think mine would put Houston up two tiers assuming they remain top 10'ish and would put Kansas State up one tier. Maybe Marquette and Creighton up a tier.
 
Tyler2Rings said:
How would you tier our current opponents and potential B12 opponents? Mine-

Tier I- Cancel everything, find a ticket
- Kansas
Tier II- Plenty of juice
- Villanova, Providence, Baylor
Tier III- Above average interest
- St. John's, West Virginia, Marquette, Georgetown, Creighton, Xavier, Cincinnati
Tier IV- Meat and potatoes
- Seton Hall, Houston, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas State, Butler
Tier V- Eww
- BYU, Texas Tech, DePaul, TCU, UCF

Everyone will have their own tiers of course. The top of mine is actually pretty similar between the conferences but the bottom is dominated by B12 teams
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now do football since they are a major UConn program.
 
John said:
now do football since they are a major UConn program.
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Tier I- Cancel everything, find a ticket

- None

Tier IIa - Plenty of juice

- West Virginia

Tier IIb - Civil Conflict

-UCF

Tier III- Above average interest

- Cincinnati, Baylor, Oklahoma State, TCU

Tier IV- Meat and potatoes

- Kansas State, Iowa State, Houston, Kansas, BYU, Texas Tech

Tier V- Eww

- None
 
AntG168 said:
I think we are criminally downplaying Houston in these tier lists. There is history there and Sampson is a phenomenal coach. We drew some amazing crowds and excitement with Houston in town
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Yeah we have recent rivalry experience with them and they've been better than any big east team over last 5 years. Plenty of juice for sure.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
Tier I- Cancel everything, find a ticket

- None

Tier IIa - Plenty of juice

- West Virginia

Tier IIb - Civil Conflict

-UCF

Tier III- Above average interest

- Cincinnati, Baylor, Oklahoma State, TCU

Tier IV- Meat and potatoes

- Kansas State, Iowa State, Houston, Kansas, BYU, Texas Tech

Tier V- Eww

- None
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Tier I- Cancel everything, find a ticket


- None


Tier IIa - Plenty of juice


- West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF


Tier III- Above average interest


Baylor, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech


Tier IV- Meat and potatoes


- Kansas State, Iowa State, Houston, Kansas, BYU


Tier V- Eww


- None
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
No, I wasn't bring sarcastic; being realistic. Agree with you that the BE is at a turning point - it needs Nova to remain a top 10-20 program, St. John's to rise into an NCAAT team again, and two of Butler, DePaul and Georgetown to improve markedly. The bottom half really needs to create a deeper BE.
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These thing fluctuate wildly. Five years ago, Butler finished the season ranked in the top 20 on Ken Pom and had gone to the Sweet 16 the year before. We finished the season ranked #179 on Ken Pom.

I take the long view. Just as we turned things around from 5 years ago, Butler and Georgetown will be fine. I don’t know about DePaul.
 
AntG168 said:
I think we are criminally downplaying Houston in these tier lists. There is history there and Sampson is a phenomenal coach. We drew some amazing crowds and excitement with Houston in town
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And Kelvin Sampson will be 68 before next season. Houston was a basketball wasteland since Hakeem and Drexler left in the early 80's. Apply some of your same logic to them that you do to the Big East schools.
 
auror said:
Yeah we have recent rivalry experience with them and they've been better than any big east team over last 5 years. Plenty of juice for sure.
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Houston was never a rival.
 
Billy Jack said:
These thing fluctuate wildly. Five years ago, Butler finished the season ranked in the top 20 on Ken Pom and had gone to the Sweet 16 the year before. We finished the season ranked #179 on Ken Pom.

I take the long view. Just as we turned things around from 5 years ago, Butler and Georgetown will be fine. I don’t know about DePaul.
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Agreed about fluctuations and with NIL it can be even wilder. I agree about the longer term view but perhaps in the NIL era the long view becomes shorter because of the volatility. Sure will make things even more interesting if not chaotic.
 
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Billy Jack said:
These thing fluctuate wildly. Five years ago, Butler finished the season ranked in the top 20 on Ken Pom and had gone to the Sweet 16 the year before. We finished the season ranked #179 on Ken Pom.

I take the long view. Just as we turned things around from 5 years ago, Butler and Georgetown will be fine. I don’t know about DePaul.
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It's hard to envision DePaul ever being fine.
 
I don’t dislike BYU as an opponent in either sport. My least favorite matchup would be UCF. As good as they’ve been, I’m of the generation that sees them as a CUSA/Sunbelt type. Basketball against UCF is particularly uninspiring.
 
Jbirdp5 said:
this is the argument for why the big 12 is stable at this time, because nobody is going to want to poach these programs.
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If the economics didn't matter your point would carry a good amount of weight. Estimate what each BE member will make in media revenues in four years. Compare that to what members of the B-12 will make.
 
AntG168 said:
I think we are criminally downplaying Houston in these tier lists. There is history there and Sampson is a phenomenal coach. We drew some amazing crowds and excitement with Houston in town
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That list also isn't giving K St or Ok St anywhere near enough credit and Iowa St and TCU each should be bumped up a level.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
If the economics didn't matter your point would carry a good amount of weight. Estimate what each BE member will make in media revenues in four years. Compare that to what members of the B-12 will make.
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Our athletic director said as much, just because it makes us more dollars it still has to make sense as a university to make this decision. Only looking at the money aspect you are always going to be right. I like the fact that he’s not glossing over the unintended consequences of a league that is completely different culturally and is so spread out would do to our student athletes
 
Kolumbo said:
Well more specifically, the P2 likely won't poach the Big 12. That means a lot if you want to be a stable #3. And rumors have included Nova, Georgetown, and SJU so AW's comment about the Big East doesn't hold water.
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The catholic 7 have been in lockstep for so long. I find it hard to believe that a few of them would ever take the dollars and leave the other 3-4 out in the cold
 
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