Diamond Deshields to UNC

[Icebear]

How is it that you know that scholarships will be rescinded from players? How do you know that there were not already players who have decided not to continue their basketball careers or have decided to transfer?

This "we are concerned for these players" line is a load of crap, IMO.

I assure it is strictly concern for fair treatment for the players that is my concern. We went through this crap at PSU previously under RP. Your comments in this thread are simply insulting.

 

[easttexastrash]

Because the numbers indicated at the moment indicate a need to drop two or more players to reduce them team to NCAA scholarship limits. The rules are clear on these limits. If there are 16, 17, 18, up to 20 it is necessary to make reductions and that will require removing scholarships from some players on the team.

So tell me how you know that there were not already situations in process that have already accounted for this? Don't you think Hatchell deserves the benefit of the doubt until proof warrants otherwise?

 

[speedoo]

How is it that you know that scholarships will be rescinded from players? How do you know that there were not already players who have decided not to continue their basketball careers or have decided to transfer?

This "we are concerned for these players" line is a load of crap, IMO.

More from you in the WOW category.

 

[easttexastrash]

Anyone who wouldn't be concerned for these players is cold-hearted.

IMO.

I will be concerned for them when evidence is revealed that warrants my concern. I don't seek out things to worry about that don't warrant my concern.

 

[easttexastrash]

I assure it is strictly concern for fair treatment for the players that is my concern. We went through this crap at PSU previously under RP. Your comments in this thread are simply insulting.

The speculation about Hatchell is insulting. Give her the benefit of the doubt. Don't judge her on action untaken.

 

[Icebear]

So tell me how you know that there were not already situations in process that have already accounted for this? Don't you think Hatchell deserves the benefit of the doubt until proof warrants otherwise?

I said it has to play out but as presently reported something stinks. That is giving everyone the benefit of the doubt until it plays out. It stills notes, however, that the present situation has a lot to be explained. I have made no assertions about Hatchell, simply what I do not want the situation to become what occurred at PSU. That is true. You seem to assume you know everyone's motives except Hatchell's.

 

[justML]

I will be concerned for them when evidence is revealed that warrants my concern. I don't seek out things to worry about that don't warrant my concern.

Then why are you concerned about the reactions of the UConn fans? I think you'd be happier seeking like-minded people on the Baylor fan forum.

And that's not meant to be mean-spirited, I'm being honest with you.

 

[sarals24]

ETT, why are you so offended by people speculating on here about this? It's obviously out of the ordinary, there hasn't really been that much speculation that Hatchell did something terrible, just that it's very odd and seems like something is amiss when more players have accepted than there is room for.

And it's the offseason, this is the first big news out of this class...people are obviously going to speculate. Especially when it's a big-time recruit that UConn was after.

 

[Icebear]

I will be concerned for them when evidence is revealed that warrants my concern. I don't seek out things to worry about that don't warrant my concern.

The clear countings of 18 players committed to is evidence of an issue warranting concern.

 

[DaddyChoc]

I was hoping Diamond DeShields would come to UConn, but her decision appears to be for the best. As noted elsewhere, her comments after the commitment sound like someone who was not ready to be coached by the likes of Geno Auriemma. That's my interpretation of her comment that at UNC she can be herself "on and off the court."

And there's one personal aspect of relief. In 1993, my favorite baseball team, the Dodgers, now run in part by the great Magic Johnson, traded one of the best pitchers ever, Pedro Martinez, to the Montreal Expos for a second baseman named Delino DeShields, later to be Diamond's father. Delino was a gigantic bust with the Dodgers and not exactly one of my favorites since he cost the Dodgers the benefits of having Pedro Martinez on their side. So, for me, in the long run, maybe it's better that I don't have to root for his daughter.

wow... so Im gonna assume that you really really didnt want her to come to UConn huh?

and blame Dodgers "management" for the trade.

incredible, frickin incredible

 

[DaddyChoc]

I give you TASSK.

and did TASSK all verbal on the same day?

 

[easttexastrash]

ETT, why are you so offended by people speculating on here about this? It's obviously out of the ordinary, there hasn't really been that much speculation that Hatchell did something terrible, just that it's very odd and seems like something is amiss when more players have accepted than there is room for.

And it's the offseason, this is the first big news out of this class...people are obviously going to speculate. Especially when it's a big-time recruit that UConn was after.

The speculation is that Hatchell is going to give current players the shaft. I'm just saying that she deserves the benefit of the doubt. From all I've seen she seems to be a quality person and simply deserves an opportunity to make this work.

I congratulate UNC on an incredible haul. It seems that about 99% of the posts so far have a very negative tone.

 

[HuskyNan]

I will be concerned for them when evidence is revealed that warrants my concern. I don't seek out things to worry about that don't warrant my concern.

The speculation about Hatchell is insulting. Give her the benefit of the doubt. Don't judge her on action untaken.

Are you done telling us how to feel and what to post about? Just checking.

 

[Wbbfan1]

ETT's primary purpose is to tell us UConn fans how great Baylor is, especially Kim. Also we should understand that Kim was only being a great parent when she violated NCAA Recruiting rules. Also his secondary purpose is to tell us what we should believe when it comes to other programs. Its funny I don't see the same level of understand and respect of Geno and UConn on the Baylor board. Never mind what many on the Baylor board feel about Texas A&M.

IMHO what UNC is doing is wrong and they're able to hide behind the NCAA rules that don't allow them to comment until LOI's are signed. They will get down to 15 players by 2013 because the NCAA will require them to. Player(s) will be encouraged to leave or verbals previously accepted will be rescinded whether the players want them to be or not. They are not showing loyalty to the players that have wanted to go to UNC. Schools should never have players and verbals that exceed the number of allowed scholarships.

Are you done telling us how to feel and what to post about? Just checking.

 

[Dairyair]

Late to the party, but in the spirit of the OP, I say good for DD. No hard feelings from me, I've given up two things:
A) Getting excited that the next "greatest player ever" will be coming to UConn, and
B) Being surprised, hurt, angry or disappointed when the next "greatest player ever" decides she won't be coming to UConn. Over the years, with really very few exceptions, Geno and his crew recruit kids who want to come to UConn, and they stay for the duration.

Congrats to DD and UNC. Maybe we'll play them again in the future.

 

[RoyDodger]

wow... so Im gonna assume that you really really didnt want her to come to UConn huh?

and blame Dodgers "management" for the trade.

incredible, frickin incredible

In fact I've been checking almost daily for a long time to see if Diamond was coming to UConn. My post was intended to be tongue-in-cheek, but I guess that kind of dry humor just doesn't get through sometimes.

As for your comment about the Dodger "management," who else would I blame for the trade? Did my reference to Magic throw you and make you think I was blaming him? That would be pretty absurd, wouldn't it? In fact, the Dodger GM in 1993 was Fred Claire, someone I actually like. It was just a very bad trade.

 

[RoyDodger]

ETT, why are you so offended by people speculating on here about this? It's obviously out of the ordinary, there hasn't really been that much speculation that Hatchell did something terrible, just that it's very odd and seems like something is amiss when more players have accepted than there is room for.

And it's the offseason, this is the first big news out of this class...people are obviously going to speculate. Especially when it's a big-time recruit that UConn was after.

I haven't read every single message on this particular board, but Sara gets my award for the most thoughtful message of the day.

 

[connboy77]

The speculation is that Hatchell is going to give current players the shaft. I'm just saying that she deserves the benefit of the doubt. From all I've seen she seems to be a quality person and simply deserves an opportunity to make this work.

I congratulate UNC on an incredible haul. It seems that about 99% of the posts so far have a very negative tone.

I would have no problem with the situation if UNC had the required number of scholarships available. The fact that they may be three or four scholarships over the limit really bothers me. Which current or commited players are going to be told to take a hike and go play somewhere else? This is just wrong!

 

[RoyDodger]

By the way, has anyone noted that this will be the second recruiting class in a row in which a major UConn recruit chose UNC? Xylina McDaniel, as you may recall, will be starting there in the fall.

 

[semper]

What is happening on Old Rocky Top with this news? Just wondering....don't want to start nuttin..

 

[Wbbfan1]

Like most here, they're upset at the number of recruits vs scholarship issue, more so then losing the recruits. Obviously they're also lamenting the loss of recruits they thought might verbal to the Lady Vols. It's not there yet, but a sense of panic is beginning to emerge. Some believe Mercedes Russell is the key to their recruiting class.

What is happening on Old Rocky Top with this news? Just wondering....don't want to start nuttin..

 

[Wonkster]

By the way, has anyone noted that this will be the second recruiting class in a row in which a major UConn recruit chose UNC? Xylina McDaniel, as you may recall, will be starting there in the fall.

Correction, RoyDodger. Xylina was dithering and Geno made her mind up for her. Easily understood, coming on the heels of the Samarie Walker debacle.
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[UConnChapette]

How is it that you know that scholarships will be rescinded from players? How do you know that there were not already players who have decided not to continue their basketball careers or have decided to transfer?

This "we are concerned for these players" line is a load of crap, IMO.

How is it that you know that there are already players who decided not to continue their basketball careers at UNC or have decided to transfer PRIOR to the "scholarship cap" being exceeded?

See, that's the point here. No one knows. But the situation has the potential to be unpleasant for some players or recruits.

Believe it or not, some of us truly do care about how other people are treated.

You may not give a crap about how these young women will feel when forced to make a decision they may not have otherwise been inclined to make until now. Or for the coaches that may have to have some very difficult discussions. Please don't assume that everyone else is of the same mind.

 

[easttexastrash]

ETT's primary purpose is to tell us UConn fans how great Baylor is, especially Kim. Also we should understand that Kim was only being a great parent when she violated NCAA Recruiting rules. Also his secondary purpose is to tell us what we should believe when it comes to other programs. Its funny I don't see the same level of understand and respect of Geno and UConn on the Baylor board. Never mind what many on the Baylor board feel about Texas A&M.

IMHO what UNC is doing is wrong and they're able to hide behind the NCAA rules that don't allow them to comment until LOI's are signed. They will get down to 15 players by 2013 because the NCAA will require them to. Player(s) will be encouraged to leave or verbals previously accepted will be rescinded whether the players want them to be or not. They are not showing loyalty to the players that have wanted to go to UNC. Schools should never have players and verbals that exceed the number of allowed scholarships.

I'm on the Baylor board a lot and I do not see any anti-Geno/UCONN talk. If anything we all aspire to have a program like UCONN. And I personally have a great amount of respect for Blair and I am embarrassed when those on the Baylor board show such despise for TAMU.

 

[easttexastrash]

I'm just promoting giving Hatchell the benefit of the doubt until facts come out concerning the scholarships. I hope that UNC honors whatever agreements they have with each recruit. I'm just not ready to condemn Hatchell and UNC until I see how it plays out.

 

[RadyLady]

and did TASSK all verbal on the same day?

I don't know really DaddyChoc. The comment I was making was about an instance in UConn's history about a number of young potential recruits talking about all going to the same school to play which was the eventual outcome as we all know (and some seem to have forgotton or of which are not aware). That's all. Any further digging into the meaning of the post by anyone, is done at the digger's pleasure and with the intent of taking responsibility of their analysis. Nothing more was meant by me.

 

[RadyLady]

ETT's primary purpose is to tell us UConn fans how great Baylor is, especially Kim. Also we should understand that Kim was only being a great parent when she violated NCAA Recruiting rules. Also his secondary purpose is to tell us what we should believe when it comes to other programs. Its funny I don't see the same level of understand and respect of Geno and UConn on the Baylor board. Never mind what many on the Baylor board feel about Texas A&M.

IMHO what UNC is doing is wrong and they're able to hide behind the NCAA rules that don't allow them to comment until LOI's are signed. They will get down to 15 players by 2013 because the NCAA will require them to. Player(s) will be encouraged to leave or verbals previously accepted will be rescinded whether the players want them to be or not. They are not showing loyalty to the players that have wanted to go to UNC. Schools should never have players and verbals that exceed the number of allowed scholarships.

What bothers me is the question of did UNC actually "do" this? Or did they go out and recruit a bunch of top kids without really knowing who they would actually sign on. I think the latter.

Someone said before in this thread that schools often offer to more kids than schollys available for the simple reason that you don't always get what you wish for....

 

[RadyLady]

I don't think most folks problems are the number of quality players in the group, I think the problem is the 18+ some odd players they will have with these kids and how the UNC may end up treating the kids already on the team and with commitments.

the question I answered was

Would it be illegal for a group of players who know and like each other to talk and decide that they wanted to play together, and then to sign like this to a single team, one that was happy to get them all? Would it be illegal?

I didn't take it any further than this. And I meant by the post was that no, it isn't "illegal", and it had been done before by some of our own.
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[UConnChapette]

What bothers me is the question of did UNC actually "do" this? Or did they go out and recruit a bunch of top kids without really knowing who they would actually sign on. I think the latter.

Someone said before in this thread that schools often offer to more kids than schollys available for the simple reason that you don't always get what you wish for....

I agree with this all the way. If coaches only offer to kids that are their top targets, but those targets go elsewhere, then they have nothing. I don't think UNC did anything that doesn't happen all the time elsewhere. Just in this case, the unexpected happened - they got what they needed and then some. I do think the normal progression of one recruit verballing at a time, with time between each verbal, has a way of doing some "natural selection". Once a need is met, then other targets may not be pursued any longer or as aggressively. In this case, with so many verballing at once, there was no chance for the natural selection to occur during the process. It must now be done after the fact. This is what I find sad about the situation.

 

[Wbbfan1]

It's common for schools to be recruiting more players then scholarships available. What is extremely unusual especially in women's basketball is to accept verbals that would exceed available scholarships.

What bothers me is the question of did UNC actually "do" this? Or did they go out and recruit a bunch of top kids without really knowing who they would actually sign on. I think the latter.

Someone said before in this thread that schools often offer to more kids than schollys available for the simple reason that you don't always get what you wish for....