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Please, with your putdowns of Rutgers football. Are UCONN fans ALL too stupid to realizes how dumb they look mocking Rutgers Football, when UCONN football is one of the top 10 worst football programs of all-time...with a historic losing percentage?

At least we've won more games than losing.

UCONN football has been a 100 year running joke of losing.....including right now getting their asses handed to them by a D1aa program.

UCONN football has had more losses than wins, and more losing seasons then winning (Something RU has not had) and you mock someone who at least knows how to win more than lose?

Sheer stupidity.
The beauty of Rutgers football is that anyone can mock it. UConn doesn't need to have a better program to give me the right to point out your lack of notable victories. The original discussion was asking for big athletic victories in Rutgers' history. You want to spin it as UConn football vs. Rutgers football. Because your examples of big victories are all of the underdog pulling the once-a-decade upset. Not of championships, or anything of note. Maybe you're too young to remember Rutgers' only NCAA championship in any sport?
 
The problem with UConn's loss to Towson is that we are right now in the middle of the meltdown and haven't begun clawing out of it. There is no telling how this is going to go.

I don't believe Uconn will be hurting recruiting wise since UConn's recruiting profile is still more or less what it always was. Much more concerned about the salaries the AD can pay coaches.
Count PP is sucking the life out of U Conn football like Frankenspaz.... who strangled B.C. to death. These two coaches are so much alike its frightening! No energy or enthusiasm, horrible coaching in most aspects, from hiring to recruiting to game day play calling. Grab your torches and head to the castle kids, these two coaches style's are Transylvania circa 1800's better get rid of him asap. Frankenspaz was driven away and resurfaced as a def. coach at New Mexico State ( 56-7L this past wknd) I am sure there is room for Count PP there as well. Let them join forces, cast away to wander the desert, terrorizing the fans of NMSU.
 
Count PP is sucking the life out of U Conn football like Frankenspaz.... who strangled B.C. to death. These two coaches are so much alike its frightening! No energy or enthusiasm, horrible coaching in most aspects, from hiring to recruiting to game day play calling. Grab your torches and head to the castle kids, these two coaches style's are Transylvania circa 1800's better get rid of him asap. Frankenspaz was driven away and resurfaced as a def. coach at New Mexico State ( 56-7L this past wknd) I am sure there is room for Count PP there as well. Let them join forces, cast away to wander the desert, terrorizing the fans of NMSU.

Yep, it's pretty bad. He took over a team coming off a Fiesta Bowl. His first team in 2011 had the following kids on the roster:

Dwayne Gratz
Ryan Griffin
Kashif Moore
Sio Moore
Kendall Reyes
Blidi Wreh Wilson
Nick Williams
Trevardo Williams
Blidi Wreh-Wilson

These kids are right now on NFL rosters. Not training camp invitees, they actually are currently being paid by NL teams AFTER the league-wide cutdown.

How on earth can you have 9 NFL players on your team and underachieve?

I need the Hartford Courant writers to explain to us again how Randy Edsall left the cupboard bare?

I haven't even included in this list NFL camp guys like Mike Smith with the Texans, or solid players like Ryan Wirth, Dave Teggart, John Delahunt, Mike Ryan, Jory Johnson, Yawin Smallwood, Isaiah Moore, Adam Masters, Twyon Martin, Geremy Davis, etc.
 
Yep, it's pretty bad. He took over a team coming off a Fiesta Bowl. His first team in 2011 had the following kids on the roster:

Dwayne Gratz
Ryan Griffin
Kashif Moore
Sio Moore
Kendall Reyes
Blidi Wreh Wilson
Nick Williams
Trevardo Williams
Blidi Wreh-Wilson

These kids are right now on NFL rosters. Not training camp invitees, they actually are currently being paid by NL teams AFTER the league-wide cutdown.

How on earth can you have 9 NFL players on your team and underachieve?

I need the Hartford Courant writers to explain to us again how Randy Edsall left the cupboard bare?

I haven't even included in this list NFL camp guys like Mike Smith with the Texans, or solid players like Ryan Wirth, Dave Teggart, John Delahunt, Mike Ryan, Jory Johnson, Yawin Smallwood, Isaiah Moore, Adam Masters, Twyon Martin, Geremy Davis, etc.
It makes one wonder............hell with those pieces you should have been in a very good bowl. Every year he remains means that much more time plus some to rebuild. Once recruiting drys up it becomes a crisis, that is in fact the life blood of the program as I am sure you know. The kids did not buy into Spaz and they are not buying into PP. They are like watching paint dry! lifeless, boring, dull.
 
The beauty of Rutgers football is that anyone can mock it. UConn doesn't need to have a better program to give me the right to point out your lack of notable victories. The original discussion was asking for big athletic victories in Rutgers' history. You want to spin it as UConn football vs. Rutgers football. Because your examples of big victories are all of the underdog pulling the once-a-decade upset. Not of championships, or anything of note. Maybe you're too young to remember Rutgers' only NCAA championship in any sport?

RU had more notable victories in one year (Penn State, Michigan State, Boston College) than UCONN has had in over 100 years of football.

I'm not too young to realize that.

I gave you half a dozen victories RU had....that UCONN can only wish they had on their resume.

UCONN has just an atrocious football history, and most UCONN fans are too ignorant to even know just how bad their history is.

UCONN All-time record, 482–504–38 (.489).

WOW, that's sad.
 
RU had more notable victories in one year (Penn State, Michigan State, Boston College) than UCONN has had in over 100 years of football.

I'm not too young to realize that.

I gave you half a dozen victories RU had....that UCONN can only wish they had on their resume.

UCONN has just an atrocious football history, and most UCONN fans are too ignorant to even know just how bad their history is.

UCONN All-time record, 482–504–38 (.489).

WOW, that's sad.

UConn started in D1 only a decade or so ago, but Notre Dame, South Carolina, Virginia, Maryland are victories that are at least the equivalent of what you posted. AT LEAST.
 
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Correct. And the Big Ten has basically said this. Secondarily there may be some Federally Granted Research that Rutgers is doing that some of the Big Ten schools want to collaborate with. Rutgers is AAU.

Rutgers has not been relevant in college athletics in at least half a century. The Big Ten isn't stupid. They know this. All you have to do is listen to Mike Francessa, and it is obvious that there is zero buzz about Rutgers in the New York City market. He takes callers every weekday on the Radio about the NYC sports scene, and he doesn't get enough about Rutgers to get a blip.

Geographically Rutgers gets the Big Ten into that geographic area, and the Big Ten is hoping to leverage that geographic access to get their network on television to watch their traditional powers. They have no other expectation from Rutgers athletics. Rutgers fans may think differently. The Big Ten does not.

UConn would at least add to Big Ten Basketball, but the AAU thing is apparently very important to the Big Ten.

We've debated this for a couple of months now. With these numbers from TV viewers, and they will continue, you can see with the documented evidence. What will be interesting is how Michigan and Ohio State numbers are affected going forward.
Their more relevant than you are with your continous trolling of this board with a SOLID anti-RU agenda!People aren't stupid but you are especially about eastern FB!Are you in collaberation with the other obvious TROLL Road Dog?LOL..Why the obsession with RU on a UConn board?Bring it to a B1G board and see how they laugh!
 
Rutgers sports are the perpetual leech of any conference they are in. Rutgers never contributed a penny to the old Big East but leeched payments from the league, stealing money from other programs ever since they joined. They did the same in the new Big East. They are doing the same in the AAC. And they will do the same in the B1G.
Foolish boy.....thinks he knows more than the B1G's high priced Wall St research firms and still whining about RU even though we all know your a trolling BC fan!!Doesn't school start this week?I wish you well in 3rd grade!
 
Please, with your putdowns of Rutgers football. Are UCONN fans ALL too stupid to realizes how dumb they look mocking Rutgers Football, when UCONN football is one of the top 10 worst football programs of all-time...with a historic losing percentage?

At least we've won more games than losing.

UCONN football has been a 100 year running joke of losing.....including right now getting their asses handed to them by a D1aa program.

UCONN football has had more losses than wins, and more losing seasons then winning (Something RU has not had) and you mock someone who at least knows how to win more than lose?

Sheer stupidity.
Bugssy,don't associate TRest,Road Dog or Stimpy with UConn fans as they all seem to have an anti-RU agenda instead of UConn's best interest's on their mind on the UConn board!Follow there posts and you'll pull open there curtain!The real Uconn fans are too intelligent to buy their BS and we can't indulge these fools on the BY board as events speak louder than troll's (Road dog+Stimpy for sure)!RU envy means we've finally arrived!
 
Bugssy,don't associate TRest,Road Dog or Stimpy with UConn fans as they all seem to have an anti-RU agenda instead of UConn's best interest's on their mind on the UConn board!Follow there posts and you'll pull open there curtain!The real Uconn fans are too intelligent to buy their BS and we can't indulge these fools on the BY board as events speak louder than troll's (Road dog+Stimpy for sure)!RU envy means we've finally arrived!

Nicky, what's wrong with Stimpy? He's an ACC guy so of course he's not likely to praise RU or the B1G. But he's certainly not a troll. TRest has good posts too.
 
The beauty of Rutgers football is that anyone can mock it. UConn doesn't need to have a better program to give me the right to point out your lack of notable victories. The original discussion was asking for big athletic victories in Rutgers' history. You want to spin it as UConn football vs. Rutgers football. Because your examples of big victories are all of the underdog pulling the once-a-decade upset. Not of championships, or anything of note. Maybe you're too young to remember Rutgers' only NCAA championship in any sport?
Doesn't that make your current & future circumstances all the more pathetic? Rutgers has not historically invested in athletics (save the last 10 years in football) & they still get the nod over UConn. Seems to me you have a fundamental issue basketball championships can never solve.
 
As for the OP...Delaney is not desperate for anything. He is going to watch and see what the next few years looks like once Rutgers is in the fold. Penn State Rutgers will sell out the Meadowlands, and he will be happy..
 
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Doesn't that make your current & future circumstances all the more pathetic? Rutgers has not historically invested in athletics (save the last 10 years in football) & they still get the nod over UConn. Seems to me you have a fundamental issue basketball championships can never solve.

He said UConn doesn't have a better program. Did you miss that part of his posts?

I disagree with you about UConn's fundamental issues by the way. But then again, I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
As for the OP...Delaney is not desperate for anything. He is going to watch and see what the next few years looks like once Rutgers is in the fold. Penn State Rutgers will sell out the Meadowlands, and he will be happy..

A couple of us have been making the case that the real value of Rutgers is in those cable licensing fees. And little else matters.

That being said, we can't understand how Delany will be more successful in NY's DMA than he was in Eastern Pa., when the popularity of PSU has 10x more impact there.

UConn's net market is much smaller than Rutgers, probably something between 3.5m and 4m people. It's big enough, as the state is probably the country's 20th biggest market. When you measure penetration in that market, things become more interesting however. Look at UConn's licensing revenues. They are 2x Rutgers' revs. Then look at what SNY did when it picked up UConn sports. Not only did they jack up fees in the state from $1.65 per month per subscriber to $2.50 per month, but they also were picked up on BASIC cable by all the cable companies. That is a very high level of penetration. When people talk about the northeast being a barren place for college sports, they are overlooking Connecticut, because the combined draw of football, men's and women's basketball is easily quantifiable.

.85 cents per subscriber (1m+ TV sets) x 12 months = $10m. That's just 3rd tier rights.
 
I disagree with you about UConn's fundamental issues by the way. But then again, I have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm talking about redundancy & demographics. I'm under no delusion the B1G selected Rutgers for its fine tradition in athletics. A money grab in the purest sense and nothing more. I'm okay with that. You should be too.
The Big Ten gambled twice with Maryland & Rutgers. I don't think they are going to double down in the enticing but ultimately elusive NYC market. As open-minded as NYC types claim to be, I find them to be extremely provincial. No one can own the NYC market.
This is not a "ha ha" to UConn fans but a "B1G got way to ambitious for their own good" post. As a Rutgers fan, I'll take their Midwestern, Cornfed money & run. They will never accept us as they will never accept you.
I would have rather been accepted into the ACC.
 
I'm talking about redundancy & demographics. I'm under no delusion the B1G selected Rutgers for its fine tradition in athletics. A money grab in the purest sense and nothing more. I'm okay with that. You should be too.
The Big Ten gambled twice with Maryland & Rutgers. I don't think they are going to double down in the enticing but ultimately elusive NYC market. As open-minded as NYC types claim to be, I find them to be extremely provincial. No one can own the NYC market.
This is not a "ha ha" to UConn fans but a "B1G got way to ambitious for their own good" post. As a Rutgers fan, I'll take their Midwestern, Cornfed money & run. They will never accept us as they will never accept you.
I would have rather been accepted to the ACC.

I agree that the NYC market is not going to pan out for anyone.

NJ might pan out.

But, as I pointed out in another post, the Conn. market is lucrative.

There's no redundancy between Conn. and NJ.
 
Nicky, what's wrong with Stimpy? He's an ACC guy so of course he's not likely to praise RU or the B1G. But he's certainly not a troll. TRest has good posts too.
WTF? I wasn't aware that this forum has become the Greasetruck. I'll ask buggsy's permission next time I want to point out some facts about Rutgers.
 
The beauty of Rutgers football is that anyone can mock it. UConn doesn't need to have a better program to give me the right to point out your lack of notable victories. The original discussion was asking for big athletic victories in Rutgers' history. You want to spin it as UConn football vs. Rutgers football. Because your examples of big victories are all of the underdog pulling the once-a-decade upset. Not of championships, or anything of note. Maybe you're too young to remember Rutgers' only NCAA championship in any sport?

I'm too young. Wasn't following college athletics in 1949. I've also never watched Fencing in my life, not that there is anything wrong with fencing. I'm willing to celebrate the 2009 All-Girl Cheerleading Championship though even though I didn't notice it when it happened. At least that gets a point on the board.
 
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Their more relevant than you are with your continous trolling of this board with a SOLID anti-RU agenda!People aren't stupid but you are especially about eastern FB!Are you in collaberation with the other obvious TROLL Road Dog?LOL..Why the obsession with RU on a UConn board?Bring it to a B1G board and see how they laugh!

I know this. I'm aware of the Rutgers Princeton football game in 1869. It would have been fun to have attended, but I missed it. I've read plenty of history about Eastern Football. I do commend Yale's Walter Camp for getting the intercollegiate game started on a broad scale in the 1880s. And I commend UVA's William Lambeth for getting 4 quarters put in place, more forward passing, and the ability for players to leave the game and return in 1909. I've learned about the history of the game from then to today. That's why I have no qualms in stating the fact that Rutgers has not been relevant in over half a century in football other than winning a few bowl games. You want to criticize UVA. I'm not claiming NY Market Interest for UVA.

I'm happy to discuss the other Rutgers NCAA championships in other sports with you. All I can find is a 1949 Men's Fencing Championship. Did I miss any? If that's it, we're getting close to 2/3 of a century rather than half.
 
A couple of us have been making the case that the real value of Rutgers is in those cable licensing fees. And little else matters.

That being said, we can't understand how Delany will be more successful in NY's DMA than he was in Eastern Pa., when the popularity of PSU has 10x more impact there.

UConn's net market is much smaller than Rutgers, probably something between 3.5m and 4m people. It's big enough, as the state is probably the country's 20th biggest market. When you measure penetration in that market, things become more interesting however. Look at UConn's licensing revenues. They are 2x Rutgers' revs. Then look at what SNY did when it picked up UConn sports. Not only did they jack up fees in the state from $1.65 per month per subscriber to $2.50 per month, but they also were picked up on BASIC cable by all the cable companies. That is a very high level of penetration. When people talk about the northeast being a barren place for college sports, they are overlooking Connecticut, because the combined draw of football, men's and women's basketball is easily quantifiable.

.85 cents per subscriber (1m+ TV sets) x 12 months = $10m. That's just 3rd tier rights.

I do not pretend to have developed as sophisticated understanding of the DMA's or their actual signficance to CR. My macro point is that while we can develop all the evidence in the world to support our candidacy from a purely dollars and sense standpoint right now (and for that matter a market growth stand point as well) these statistics and figures have already been considered by people who get paid to do this, and the news still isn't good.

The New York TV angle, while legit in a vacuum, doesn't hold sufficient water for Delaney to have to do anything. ACC is standing pat, so there is no reason for him to do anything,
 
I do not pretend to have developed as sophisticated understanding of the DMA's or their actual signficance to CR. My macro point is that while we can develop all the evidence in the world to support our candidacy from a purely dollars and sense standpoint right now (and for that matter a market growth stand point as well) these statistics and figures have already been considered by people who get paid to do this, and the news still isn't good.

The New York TV angle, while legit in a vacuum, doesn't hold sufficient water for Delaney to have to do anything. ACC is standing pat, so there is no reason for him to do anything,

It's not so simple. You have to take other things into account. UConn was the first choice until BC hissed a fit in 2011. You can bet your butt that Delany has UConn's TV numbers because he is very tight with the IMG people who handle UConn's licensing/tier 3 rights. They know exactly what Uconn is worth. But it doesn't come down to that simply. There are other factors. UConn, for instance, isn't an AAU school. Rutgers is.
 
It's not so simple. You have to take other things into account. UConn was the first choice until BC hissed a fit in 2011. You can bet your butt that Delany has UConn's TV numbers because he is very tight with the IMG people who handle UConn's licensing/tier 3 rights. They know exactly what Uconn is worth. But it doesn't come down to that simply. There are other factors. UConn, for instance, isn't an AAU school. Rutgers is.

So, do you think then that if we were an AAU school, we would have an invite in hand, or, as the dummies at the WV pages suggest re: Cinncy and the BIG 12, "an understanding" that we would be in line come 2014 when the BiG opens its TV negotiations.

I watched a bit of College Football this weekend (I did not watch one second of ACC football mind you) and I just don't get the sense how our program, as currently constituted, fits in with the P5. Perhaps the AAC purgatory will give us a chance to get a together. Provided we actually take advantage of that opportunity.

I tried to envision the Penn State Syracuse game though if it were us instead of teh Orange.. do we really think we would have had more than 5-7K there? Wisconsin would have brought 20,000 no problem
 
I'm talking about redundancy & demographics. I'm under no delusion the B1G selected Rutgers for its fine tradition in athletics. A money grab in the purest sense and nothing more. I'm okay with that. You should be too.
The Big Ten gambled twice with Maryland & Rutgers. I don't think they are going to double down in the enticing but ultimately elusive NYC market. As open-minded as NYC types claim to be, I find them to be extremely provincial. No one can own the NYC market.
This is not a "ha ha" to UConn fans but a "B1G got way to ambitious for their own good" post. As a Rutgers fan, I'll take their Midwestern, Cornfed money & run. They will never accept us as they will never accept you.
I would have rather been accepted into the ACC.

A money grab in the purest sense and nothing more? The BiG will never accept you? You regret Rutgers was accepted for membership into the B1G?
Rutgers was on the sinking ship that was the former Big East and you were given a life raft to the B1G yet you long for a conference that has never extended nor likely plans to extend you a similar offer? I think the ACC is a great conference but an offer could have been made to Rutgers to join the ACC years and even decades ago but never happened. I do not understand your perspective. I imagine there are a great number of our UConn hosts on this board that would happily take your place while you wait on the offer that you desire from the ACC.
 
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So, do you think then that if we were an AAU school, we would have an invite in hand, or, as the dummies at the WV pages suggest re: Cinncy and the BIG 12, "an understanding" that we would be in line come 2014 when the BiG opens its TV negotiations.

I watched a bit of College Football this weekend (I did not watch one second of ACC football mind you) and I just don't get the sense how our program, as currently constituted, fits in with the P5. Perhaps the AAC purgatory will give us a chance to get a together. Provided we actually take advantage of that opportunity.

I tried to envision the Penn State Syracuse game though if it were us instead of teh Orange.. do we really think we would have had more than 5-7K there? Wisconsin would have brought 20,000 no problem

The money suggests YES, we'd have a much better chance as an AAU school. UConn pulls in $24.8m in licensing right now. By far the highest of any of the old BE schools. By comparison, Rutgers and Pitt were less than half of that, and Louisville was at $16m. UConn fits in NOW with the ACC; we're not very different than all the other schools that were added. I'd like someone to explain to me where UConn fails in comparison to Cuse, Pitt and Ville. The B1G is another story. That's a much different nut to crack, more difficult since the fundamentals aren't there.
 
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Did someone really start a topic to bash a television rating on a network that not many people have for a game that started after 10:30pm on a week night and lasted until 3am? And yet still drew numbers that were better than most network television programming at that time?

That's just crazy people.
 
Nicky, what's wrong with Stimpy? He's an ACC guy so of course he's not likely to praise RU or the B1G. But he's certainly not a troll. TRest has good posts too.
Maybe I'm mistaken guy but when Stimpy(whose a member of SUfan.com for 2 yrs)started the Temple to the ACC over RU nonsense I found it difficult to trust him and he lost all credibility in my eyes. TRest maybe I was over the top and I intended to edit the comment in his case but had to rush out b4 I had a chance but a few of his posts got the better of me and I see he's continued his snideness?I try to treat everyone with the same respect I give(I know I'm a tad touchy but fair)!Could be just a lack of NE FB knowledge on Stimpy but he seems much to savvy to be that ignorant!What I can't figure is why RU(whose already in) should be denigrated here by an outsider?Go to RU rivals(Stimpy) and hash it out there?He's on everyone elses boards!I'll try to avoid it (Stimpy) for now as he's been rational for awhile on the BY!
 
Nicky, what's wrong with Stimpy? He's an ACC guy so of course he's not likely to praise RU or the B1G. But he's certainly not a troll. TRest has good posts too.
Hey pj,I like you and enjoy your posts but Stimpy knows what our issues are and he's spent more time denigrating RU (most snobbishly)that a guest to a UConn board(I'd accept it from a UConn fan unless its over the top)should!Whats his deal?Temple would have made a better add than RU to the ACC?...I know if he had said UConn instead of RU you would get a peek behind his curtain!TRest I almost edited out of the comment but whats RU bashing going to do to help UConn?Maybe Im a bit testy but I won't abide snideness from people!I don't care or expect praise...just common politeness or say nothing!But your alright with me PJ and I hope I didn't let you down!
 
My God...I can only imagine the snickering that would occur if fans of Michigan, OSU, Florida, Texas, Bama, LSU, Georgia, OU, Nebraska and USC could watch UConn and Rutgers fans argue about who is worse at football. It's a loser's game gentleman, neither school has much to be proud of on the gridiron. We should be honest about that.

UConn does have two things in its favor: 1. success in other sports, which Rutgers lacks; 2. an excuse that we're new to FBS football, which is starting to wear thin. I went to Kansas for law school and they knew the football team sucked (it actually didn't while I was there), and hell, they've won Orange Bowls and put hall of fame players into the NFL, quite a bit more than UConn or Rutgers has done. Neither UConn nor Rutgers has a snowball's chance in hell of becoming the next Alabama or Michigan. Both schools can and should improve however, as there is nowhere to go but up. At UConn it doesn't matter, as we've joined the elite in basketball and almost nobody can claim elite status in both sports.
 
Hey pj,I like you and enjoy your posts but Stimpy knows what our issues are and he's spent more time denigrating RU (most snobbishly)that a guest to a UConn board(I'd accept it from a UConn fan unless its over the top)should!Whats his deal?Temple would have made a better add than RU to the ACC?...I know if he had said UConn instead of RU you would get a peek behind his curtain!TRest I almost edited out of the comment but whats RU bashing going to do to help UConn?Maybe Im a bit testy but I won't abide snideness from people!I don't care or expect praise...just common politeness or say nothing!But your alright with me PJ and I hope I didn't let you down!

Nicky, RU is on top of the world right now, in the B1G and with a football program that's on a roll. Why get uptight when a UVa fan says something negative about RU on a UConn board? Consider it friendly banter.
 
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Rutgers has not been relevant in college athletics in at least half a century. The Big Ten isn't stupid. They know this. All you have to do is listen to Mike Francessa, and it is obvious that there is zero buzz about Rutgers in the New York City market. He takes callers every weekday on the Radio about the NYC sports scene, and he doesn't get enough about Rutgers to get a blip...

Everything you said of course is accurate, but I want to focus on this...

Unless things have changed, Francessa generally does not take calls on anything other than the New York Football Giants, The Yankees, or the Knicks. He loathes hockey and doesn't know a thing about college anything. He'll address scandals, but The Fan caters to the pro fan, minus hockey...
 
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