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sdhusky said:
Barkley said he already has LeBron in his all time top 10, but said he won’t ever put him in his top five of all time: Michael Jordan, Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bill Russell. On the next level is LeBron, Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and Jerry West.
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This guy is so dumb he actually believes Barkley thinks McHale was better than Bird.
 
superjohn said:
This guy is so dumb he actually believes Barkley thinks McHale was better than Bird.
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He doesn't know what side he is on or even what year he is arguing.

But it doesn't matter.
 
upstater said:
1985-1986.

Defensive layer of the Year.
4th in MVP voting
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Oh, I figured you meant 86 because you wrote: "But again, McHale injured his achilles late in 86 and then broke his foot in 87. So I'm not even talking about that McHale."
 
sdhusky said:
Larry Bird was the MVP that year & was finals MVP despite not being "as good a McHale at his best"

Barkley said he already has LeBron in his all time top 10, but said he won’t ever put him in his top five of all time: Michael Jordan, Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bill Russell. On the next level is LeBron, Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and Jerry West.​
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I know you have a very thick skull, but I do not put McHale in my top 10 nor do I think McHale is better than Bird AND, McHale had more points & rebounds than Bird in that Finals I originally talked about, despite your bogus and erroneous stats.
 
sdhusky said:
Oh, I figured you meant 86 because you wrote: "But again, McHale injured his achilles late in 86 and then broke his foot in 87. So I'm not even talking about that McHale."
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Yes, I'm talking about the McHale from midseason 1985 until late season 1986. And I used the timeline in each of my posts.
 
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superjohn said:
We know the McHale you are talking about, 1985 McHale who was better than Bird and every other player until Jordan came along, despite Bird winning his second of three straight MVP's and McHale finishing outside the top 23 for MVP.
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U can't read. You've proven that in the past. You do it again here. Same as the argument about Brady and his OLs. Despite having guys who walk off the street to play OL for the Patriots, he still puts up the state and the wins, and you'll still argue he has a great offensive line. Totally asinine.
 
sdhusky said:
He doesn't know what side he is on or even what year he is arguing.

But it doesn't matter.
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It was 1985 the entire time he was arguing it, McHale wasn't in the top 23 for MVP voting and wasn't in contention for defensive player of the year. Now he's changed it to 1986, McHale finished tied for 13th in MVP voting and wasn't in contention for defensive player of the year. He keeps changing the goalposts and he's still way off, this is really stupid.
 
upstater said:
Yes, I'm talking about the McHale from midseason 1985 until late season 1986. And I used the timeline in each of my posts.
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You are lying. This is the first time you mentioned this timeline.

Liar.
 
Dude I have directly quoted you a bunch of times. I've seen people not admitting they are wrong many times but this is getting ridiculous.
 
superjohn said:
It was 1985 the entire time he was arguing it, McHale wasn't in the top 23 for MVP voting and wasn't in contention for defensive player of the year. Now he's changed it to 1986, McHale finished tied for 13th in MVP voting and wasn't in contention for defensive player of the year. He keeps changing the goalposts and he's still way off, this is really stupid.
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1985-86 NBA Awards Voting
Most Valuable Player

Voting Per Game Shooting Advanced
Rank Player Age Tm First Pts Won Pts Max Share G MP PTS TRB AST STL BLK FG% 3P% FT% Win Shares
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An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player per 48 minutes (league average is approximately .100)" style="margin: 0px; padding: 3px; font-style: inherit; text-align: center; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(116, 118, 120) rgb(116, 118, 120) rgb(116, 118, 120) rgb(170, 170, 170); color: rgb(170, 0, 0); cursor: pointer; background-color: rgb(218, 220, 222);">WS/48
1 Larry Bird 29 BOS 73.0 765.0 780 0.981 82 38.0 25.8 9.8 6.8 2.0 0.6 .496 .423 .896 15.8 .244
2 Dominique Wilkins 26 ATL 5.0 407.0 780 0.522 78 39.1 30.3 7.9 2.6 1.8 0.6 .468 .186 .818 10.8 .170
3 Magic Johnson 26 LAL 0.0 205.0 780 0.263 72 35.8 18.8 5.9 12.6 1.6 0.2 .526 .233 .871 12.1 .226
4 Hakeem Olajuwon 23 HOU 0.0 193.0 780 0.247 68 36.3 23.5 11.5 2.0 2.0 3.4 .526 .645 9.5 .186
5 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38 LAL 0.0 135.0 780 0.173 79 33.3 23.4 6.1 3.5 0.8 1.6 .564 .000 .765 10.8 .197
6 Charles Barkley 22 PHI 0.0 133.0 780 0.171 80 36.9 20.0 12.8 3.9 2.2 1.6 .572 .227 .685 10.8 .176
7 Sidney Moncrief 28 MIL 0.0 56.0 780 0.072 73 35.2 20.2 4.6 4.9 1.4 0.2 .489 .320 .859 11.7 .219
8 Alex English 32 DEN 0.0 55.0 780 0.071 81 37.3 29.8 5.0 4.0 0.9 0.4 .504 .200 .862 9.8 .156
9 Isiah Thomas 24 DET 0.0 28.0 780 0.036 77 36.2 20.9 3.6 10.8 2.2 0.3 .488 .310 .790 8.8 .151
10 Moses Malone 30 PHI 0.0 21.0 780 0.027 74 36.6 23.8 11.8 1.2 0.9 1.0 .458 .000 .787 8.9 .157
11 Terry Cummings 24 MIL 0.0 9.0 780 0.012 82 32.5 19.8 8.5 2.4 1.5 0.6 .474 .000 .656 7.4 .133
12 James Worthy 24 LAL 0.0 7.0 780 0.009 75 32.7 20.0 5.2 2.7 1.1 1.0 .579 .000 .771 9.5 .185
13T Kevin McHale 28 BOS 0.0 3.0 780 0.004 68 35.3 21.3 8.1 2.7 0.4 2.0 .574 .776 11.0 .220
 
McHale was 4th in the MVP voting in '87, but even here, upstater is a genius:

"But again, McHale injured his achilles late in 86 and then broke his foot in 87. So I'm not even talking about that McHale."
 
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sdhusky said:
You are lying. This is the first time you mentioned this timeline.

Liar.
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Okay he's back to the year 85-86, the year Bird won MVP and McHale finished tied for 13th in MVP voting and wasn't in contention for defensive player of the year despite upstater claiming McHale finished 4th in MVP voting and won defensive player of the year.
 
superjohn said:
Dude I have directly quoted you a bunch of times. I've seen people not admitting they are wrong many times but this is getting ridiculous.
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He once claimed to see something Edsall did in a TV broadcast and he insisted he saw it even after I uploaded frame-by-frame proof it was NOT on the broadcast.

Its pretty obvious we are dealing with a form of mental illness and I am starting to feel really bad about teasing him.

I'm done.
 
sdhusky said:
McHale was 4th in the MVP voting in '87, but even here, upstater is a genius:

"But again, McHale injured his achilles late in 86 and then broke his foot in 87. So I'm not even talking about that McHale."
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And McHale finished 5th for defensive player of the year, never winning the award as upstater claims. You have to try really hard to be wrong as much as upstater is. It's entertaining watching him burying himself more and more but I need to get back to work.
 
superjohn said:
It was 1985 the entire time he was arguing it, McHale wasn't in the top 23 for MVP voting and wasn't in contention for defensive player of the year. Now he's changed it to 1986, McHale finished tied for 13th in MVP voting and wasn't in contention for defensive player of the year. He keeps changing the goalposts and he's still way off, this is really stupid.
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Bull. Total misrepresentation. You're a liar.

I wrote for a period in 1985 about McHale's dominance, and I especially highlighted the 1985 Finals.

Chuck Daly obviously agrees with me.

As for MVP I was wrong. I thought I read it was 1986 in an article I was just reading. It was 1986-1987 that he finished 4th in MVP behind Magic, Bird and Michael Jordan. He was also Defensive Player of the Year.
 
sdhusky said:
You are lying. This is the first time you mentioned this timeline.

Liar.
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It's right in the PF thread. You are brain-damaged. Crazy.

Go read it. You even posted it in this thread. Whata nutcase.

I wrote "for a period in 1985." Then I was asked what was the period. I wrote the 1985 Finals especially.

Your lack of reading comprehension is on display here as well for everyone to see in the discussion of the Patriots and Deflategate.
 
upstater said:
Bull. Total misrepresentation. You're a liar.

I wrote for a period in 1985 about McHale's dominance, and I especially highlighted the 1985 Finals.

Chuck Daly obviously agrees with me.

As for MVP I was wrong. I thought I read it was 1986 in an article I was just reading. It was 1986-1987 that he finished 4th in MVP behind Magic, Bird and Michael Jordan. He was also Defensive Player of the Year.
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You're a disaster: http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html
 
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superjohn said:
And McHale finished 5th for defensive player of the year, never winning the award as upstater claims. You have to try really hard to be wrong as much as upstater is. It's entertaining watching him burying himself more and more but I need to get back to work.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_McHale_(basketball)

McHale was named to the All-NBA First Team, was named the NBA's best defensive player by the league's coaches, and finished fourth in the Most Valuable Player voting behind Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, and teammate, Larry Bird.
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It is probably wrong, but that's where I got the info.
 
superjohn said:
Dude I have directly quoted you a bunch of times. I've seen people not admitting they are wrong many times but this is getting ridiculous.
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what are you even bleating about now?
 
upstater said:
Bull. Total misrepresentation. You're a liar.

I wrote for a period in 1985 about McHale's dominance, and I especially highlighted the 1985 Finals.

Chuck Daly obviously agrees with me.

As for MVP I was wrong. I thought I read it was 1986 in an article I was just reading. It was 1986-1987 that he finished 4th in MVP behind Magic, Bird and Michael Jordan. He was also Defensive Player of the Year.
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You really do seem mentaly ill and I'm starting to feel a little badly about this. I will repeat it for the fifth time, Kevin McHale never won defensive player of the year in the NBA.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/27/sports/mchale-celtic-who-gives-rivals-fits.html

Published: May 27, 1985: ''ASK any coach,'' says Chuck Daly of the Detroit Pistons, ''and he'll tell you that the first thing on any Celtic scouting report is to watch out for McHale, not Larry Bird.''

If that sounds surprising, it shouldn't be. After four mediocre playoff seasons, Kevin McHale, the 6-foot-10-inch forward who earns $1 million a year, has emerged as a major force in the Boston Celtics' bid to become the first team since 1969 to repeat as champion."

Emphasis on May 27, 1985 and the time of McHale's emergence. March to June 1985, then the 1986 season until he hurt his Achilles. A very short period of time.

That being said, Charles Barkley, Hubie Brown, Chuck Daly and even Larry Bird do not disagree with what I said earlier.

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"He became the most difficult low-post player to defend -- once he made the catch -- in the history of the league," contended former NBA coach Hubie Brown in the Boston Globe. "He was totally unstoppable because of his quickness, diversification of moves and the long arms that gave him an angle to release the ball over a taller man or more explosive jumper."
 
superjohn said:
You really do seem mentaly ill and I'm starting to feel a little badly about this. I will repeat it for the fifth time, Kevin McHale never won defensive player of the year in the NBA.
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Already replied to this above.

As for Chuck Daly, go on thinking you know more than him.
 
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You have to be a weak-minded individual to engage upstater about the Patriots.
 
One thing I do know is that a few of you need to get some boxing gloves, a ring, and go settle this thing like men.
 
I used to be a humble, rational thinking fan but after this off season of constant whining from the people who actually believed any of this nonsense I am now none of those things...

Everyone sucks but the Pats. Brady should be our new god and any football game not involving the Patriots is dirty brown water trash.
 
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