Deflate-gate one year ago, Science proves NFL wrong

[Rico444]

They subverted the cap because there was a rule in place before that uncapped season to account for it. This is the whole reason the Cowboys were fined. You do know they were fined, right?

As for the rest, the Patriots were never caught cheating.

There wasn't a rule in place; the owners agreed to limit spending even though the season was uncapped. That would also be known as collusion.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/montebu...washington-redskins/#2715e4857a0b6ee249b7466a

And c'mon, man, John Calipari was never caught cheating, either. I doubt anyone would call him clean.

 

[August_West]

And c'mon, man, John Calipari was never caught cheating, either. I doubt anyone would call him clean.

 

[upstater]

Everyone in the free world knows that Brady was doctoring the balls. Prior to this incident I would bet almost every quarterback in the NFL was doing some version of the same thing. The NFL is just so damn inept they were incapable of actually proving it. They spent a fortune and wasted everybody's time trying to prove something that I would bet everyone in the NFL knows is common practice. That was the crime in all this. The ball thing, who cares?

Yet another science denier.

If he was doctoring the balls, how in the world did they end up at 11.5 PSI and not lower?

 

[upstater]

Here is your exact quote

""For a period in 1985, McHale played better than any person in the NBA had during the 1980s, until Michael Jordan arrived. In other words, McHale's best was better than Bird's best."

And you twisted that quote. In the same thread, and in the ESPN top 10 SF threads, I wrote about Bird being #2, and the best Celtic. And I even stated repeatedly I wasn't saying McHale was better than Bird. But you did what you always do: twist things.

 

[Palatine]

And as recently as the Kansas City game, for some reason the Chiefs headsets were broken intermittently during the game. Not the first time Patriot opponents had difficulties with their communications during important games.

But ignore that smoke there is no fire.

 

[upstater]

The Cowboys weren't fined (Neither were the Redskins, Raiders or Saints). The 'Boys and 'Skins were penalized cap space. There was no rule on the books. It was a guideline, according to Adam Schefter. It was collusion orchestrated by John Mara.

There was a rule on the books that was circumvented. It didnt have to do with the total value of the cap since there wasn't one, but it had to do with new contracts not having lump sums in the first year. It was highly technical and had everything to do with the uncapped year. The gist was that there would have to be incremental increases in contracts signed that year by a certain %. And the fines for the Saints were not only cap space but money and draft picks.

Regardless, the whole point of this discussion is that the league wasn't sued. Not even the NFLPA could sue for that because they too signed away their rights.

 

[Rico444]

There was a rule on the books that was circumvented. It didnt have to do with the total value of the cap since there wasn't one, but it had to do with new contracts not having lump sums in the first year. It was highly technical and had everything to do with the uncapped year. The gist was that there would have to be incremental increases in contracts signed that year by a certain %. And the fines for the Saints were not only cap space but money and draft picks.

What rule on the books? There was nothing on the books, that's the point.

 

[upstater]

What rule on the books? There was nothing on the books, that's the point.

The rule that says you can't give a player a multi-year contract great variance in salary. There are % increases allowed, and you can't go over them.

 

[upstater]

And as recently as the Kansas City game, for some reason the Chiefs headsets were broken intermittently during the game. Not the first time Patriot opponents had difficulties with their communications during important games.

But ignore that smoke there is no fire.

You mean the equipment controlled by the NFL? This is the second time this year that we've heard about this. Elsewhere it's been happening repeatedly.

 

[Husky25]

And as recently as the Kansas City game, for some reason the Chiefs headsets were broken intermittently during the game. Not the first time Patriot opponents had difficulties with their communications during important games.

But ignore that smoke there is no fire.

This happens in every stadium for every team, but ignore facts when they don't fit the narrative.

 

[upstater]

There wasn't a rule in place; the owners agreed to limit spending even though the season was uncapped. That would also be known as collusion.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/montebu...washington-redskins/#2715e4857a0b6ee249b7466a

And c'mon, man, John Calipari was never caught cheating, either. I doubt anyone would call him clean.

Marcus Camby and Memphis. Under his watch. Just like Nochimson and Nate Miles happened under Calhoun's watch. Only in Calipari's case, we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars, but in Calhoun's, Nochimson paid for knee surgery.

 

[upstater]

BTW - the NBA didn't agree. They voted Bird the MVP that season and didn't have McHale in the top 20.

Totally irrelevant to the discussion. Bird was the best, and my favorite player.

 

[upstater]

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/sports/rss/nfl/SIG=13i8s5vra/*http://sports.yahoo.com/news/1-year-after-deflate-gate-ballooned--science-shows-shame-of-it-all-073316233.html

Outside of Pats fans most people believe the Pats were guilty no matter what the science shows.

Most people believe the laws of physics took the day off.

Is this the best argument?

 

[Husky25]

There was a rule on the books that was circumvented.

No there wasn't. The rest of your post is irrelevant.

 

[UChusky916]

UConn's titles are asterisked.

So are the Patriots.

It comes from losers and whiners.

UConn has actually cheated more than the Patriots.

 

[Rico444]

The rule that says you can't give a player a multi-year contract great variance in salary. There are % increases allowed, and you can't go over them.

Where are you seeing this? Every article I've ever read on the subject says there was no written rule, it was an agreement by owners not included in the CBA (WHICH IS COLLUSION).

 

[intlzncster]

I never understood why Kraft rolled over on this, but since Kraft is a 'deek' I can't say I minded him cutting a seven figure check over it.

I think he did it for two reasons: 1. with the idea that Goodell would lay off on punishing Brady (gross miscalculation on his part) and 2. because he has encouraged other owners to fall on the sword for the good of the NFL as a whole. Remember, these guys are businessman first and foremost; they want what will bring them the least controversy, and by extension, the most money as possible. Cracks in their ranks are to be avoided as much as possible.

 

[StoweD210]

You mean the equipment controlled by the NFL? This is the second time this year that we've heard about this. Elsewhere it's been happening repeatedly.

One recent example is that the Seahawks had trouble with their headsets in Minnesota last weekend. For the Patriots Haters, the only explanation can be the Vikings tampered with them, right?

 

[superjohn]

Yet another post which reinforces your habit of statin totally false things. I wrote Bird is better than mcHale in that thread. Dont be an idiot.

"McHale at his best was better than Bird at his best." -upstater "McHale was guarded by 8 guys at the same time. Just watch the series." -upstater

 

[intlzncster]

My favorite thing was everyone jumping at every little thing (eg the Patriots fumble at an astronomically low rate). 2015: tied for first with only .8 fumbles per game. If you take out special teams fumbles--for some reason, a thorn in the Patriots side in 2015, I'm willing to bet they top the league easily.

It's like the other teams sweeping the visitor locker rooms pregame. Never mind they've never found anything. They waste so much time on this nonsense pregame. Advantage Belichick.

 

[intlzncster]

And no one believes the Pats were the only team tweaking ball PSI levels.

But the thing is, as science has shown, there's zero evidence that the Pats did tweak the balls in the Championship game, other than the vaguely circumstantial pissing habits of a bumbling equipment manager.

And no one believes the NFL had any interest in checking PSI of footballs. It was one of the great no-stories all time in sports.

The best is the utterly hilarious: "the NFL referees forgot the kicking balls and pressure gauges at the hotel before New England Patriots hosted the Kansas City Chiefs. The officials, per Zolak, then required an escort to retrieve the items before the 4:35 p.m. ET matchup got underway."


http://nep.247sports.com/Bolt/Repor...gauges-at-hotel-before-Patriots-game-42892930

 

[intlzncster]

Except for the people who will still swear the Patriots were cheating. I guarantee there are people that still believe that.

At a minimum they should be forced to repeatedly post that they don't believe the science and every other source of information that negates the idea that the Patriots were cheating.

This is so funny to me, when Deflate(Dumb@ss?)-gate was breaking, there was a million and 1 fans clamoring from the rafters about the Patriots "cheating! asterisks! fraud! caught red handed!" etc etc, but when reality reared it's ugly beautiful head, the refrain was: "stop talking about this! I'm so sick of this story! blah blah blah".

Yeah no, Patriots fans aren't going to let you forget that garbage. It's our Patriotic duty.

 

[upstater]

No there wasn't. The rest of your post is irrelevant.

You gotta try to follow along better. If the rest of my post is irrelevant, then you're not following. We're talking about how Dallas, New Orleans and Washington didn't appeal. Why? Because teams don't appeal. So what's really irrelevant is your post. Actually, by saying there wasn't a rule, that reinforces my original point which was that teams don't appeal. If there was no rule violated, they have even less reason to appeal.

But the rule violated by Dallas was the 25% rule which prevent divergences in contracts from year to year for salary cap purposes. It's true the teams also colluded in not dumping contracts in an uncapped year (there was no rule against that) but there was a rule against signing players to big first-year contracts without corresponding later year contracts. Put it this way, the Patriots could have paid Brady that year $35 million. This wouldn't have violated the NFLs collusion to prevent salary dumping in 2010 (no rule against it), but it would have violated the rules against contract variance from year-to-year. Especially if Brady had taken a $7 million contract in his next year.

 

[August_West]

Shouldn't Pats fans be more worried about this weekend in Denver than deflated balls? I would be. It is worrisome. The last time the Pats were in Denver Gronk seemed to have quit before the end of the game. Could've been tired from the altitude, could've been cold, or could've just been throwing a fit in frustration of losing. One thing we know is it wasnt a big deal injury (as evidenced by the video of him and Amendola driving around partying a few days later. ).. No matter which way you slice it, a repeat performance of that will derail Tom Brady's "revenge tour" as you Pats fans (as evidenced by the 1000 faccebook memes I see a day) call it. Will Gronk put the team first this time? Tune in this weekend.

 

[upstater]

"McHale at his best was better than Bird at his best." -upstater "McHale was guarded by 8 guys at the same time. Just watch the series." -upstater

And?

 

[upstater]

My favorite thing was everyone jumping at every little thing (eg the Patriots fumble at an astronomically low rate). 2015: tied for first with only .8 fumbles per game. If you take out special teams fumbles--for some reason, a thorn in the Patriots side in 2015, I'm willing to bet they top the league easily.

It's like the other teams sweeping the visitor locker rooms pregame. Never mind they've never found anything. They waste so much time on this nonsense pregame. Advantage Belichick.

That stat was also easily refuted by the fact that their fumble rate at home was at the league average. Their fumble rate on the road was really really low.

 

[upstater]

Shouldn't Pats fans be more worried about this weekend in Denver than deflated balls? I would be. It is worrisome. The last time the Pats were in Denver Gronk seemed to have quit before the end of the game. Could've been tired from the altitude, could've been cold, or could've just been throwing a fit in frustration of losing. One thing we know is it wasnt a big deal injury (as evidenced by the video of him and Amendola driving around partying a few days later. ).. No matter which way you slice it, a repeat performance of that will derail Tom Brady's "revenge tour" as you Pats fans (as evidenced by the 1000 faccebook memes I see a day) call it. Will Gronk put the team first this time? Tune in this weekend.

Nonsense. Gronk didn't practice all last week because of that same knee injury. He received an injection for it on Friday. The Denver game was a long while ago and he's still injured.

 

[intlzncster]

Shouldn't Pats fans be more worried about this weekend in Denver than deflated balls? I would be. It is worrisome.

Why? We don't have any affect on the game. I was more worried about the Steelers anyway. 1/2 a Roethlisburger worried me more than 2015 Manning.

Can the Broncos win? Sure. But I'm more than happy with the way things are setting up. If the Pats are healthy, particularly on defense (Collins/Hightower/Jones), I love their chances. If not, all bets are off. The Patriots are deep, but there is certain guys they can't live without: Brady/Gronk on offense and Hightower/Collins on defense

The last time the Pats were in Denver Gronk seemed to have quit before the end of the game. Could've been tired from the altitude, could've been cold, or could've just been throwing a fit in frustration of losing. One thing we know is it wasnt a big deal injury (as evidenced by the video of him and Amendola driving around partying a few days later. ).. No matter which way you slice it, a repeat performance of that will derail Tom Brady's "revenge tour" as you Pats fans (as evidenced by the 1000 faccebook memes I see a day) call it. Will Gronk put the team first this time? Tune in this weekend.

Are you kidding me? He was injured in the 3rd quarter. So he quit at the end of the first half? And also got jobbed on a bunch of offensive pass interference calls; that's pretty much the only thing that can stop him sans injury. He's too much of a meat head to quit.

God forbid Gronk parties. If you put up the numbers and performances he does, you get to party however much you want, no questions asked. It's not like he's out doing drugs, getting arrested, raping and beating chicks, or shooting himself in the foot.

 

[sdhusky]

And you twisted that quote. In the same thread, and in the ESPN top 10 SF threads, I wrote about Bird being #2, and the best Celtic. And I even stated repeatedly I wasn't saying McHale was better than Bird. But you did what you always do: twist things.

LOL.

That is an exact word-for-word quote. I didn't twist anything. I quoted you.

 

[superjohn]

And?

I think it speaks for itself. You are heading into Chief territory and I'm not referring to Robert Parish.