Deflate-gate one year ago, Science proves NFL wrong

[intlzncster]

And no one believes the Pats were the only team tweaking ball PSI levels.

But the thing is, as science has shown, there's zero evidence that the Pats did tweak the balls in the Championship game, other than the vaguely circumstantial pissing habits of a bumbling equipment manager.

And no one believes the NFL had any interest in checking PSI of footballs. It was one of the great no-stories all time in sports.

The best is the utterly hilarious: "the NFL referees forgot the kicking balls and pressure gauges at the hotel before New England Patriots hosted the Kansas City Chiefs. The officials, per Zolak, then required an escort to retrieve the items before the 4:35 p.m. ET matchup got underway."


http://nep.247sports.com/Bolt/Repor...gauges-at-hotel-before-Patriots-game-42892930

 

[intlzncster]

Except for the people who will still swear the Patriots were cheating. I guarantee there are people that still believe that.

At a minimum they should be forced to repeatedly post that they don't believe the science and every other source of information that negates the idea that the Patriots were cheating.

This is so funny to me, when Deflate(Dumb@ss?)-gate was breaking, there was a million and 1 fans clamoring from the rafters about the Patriots "cheating! asterisks! fraud! caught red handed!" etc etc, but when reality reared it's ugly beautiful head, the refrain was: "stop talking about this! I'm so sick of this story! blah blah blah".

Yeah no, Patriots fans aren't going to let you forget that garbage. It's our Patriotic duty.

 

[upstater]

No there wasn't. The rest of your post is irrelevant.

You gotta try to follow along better. If the rest of my post is irrelevant, then you're not following. We're talking about how Dallas, New Orleans and Washington didn't appeal. Why? Because teams don't appeal. So what's really irrelevant is your post. Actually, by saying there wasn't a rule, that reinforces my original point which was that teams don't appeal. If there was no rule violated, they have even less reason to appeal.

But the rule violated by Dallas was the 25% rule which prevent divergences in contracts from year to year for salary cap purposes. It's true the teams also colluded in not dumping contracts in an uncapped year (there was no rule against that) but there was a rule against signing players to big first-year contracts without corresponding later year contracts. Put it this way, the Patriots could have paid Brady that year $35 million. This wouldn't have violated the NFLs collusion to prevent salary dumping in 2010 (no rule against it), but it would have violated the rules against contract variance from year-to-year. Especially if Brady had taken a $7 million contract in his next year.

 

[August_West]

Shouldn't Pats fans be more worried about this weekend in Denver than deflated balls? I would be. It is worrisome. The last time the Pats were in Denver Gronk seemed to have quit before the end of the game. Could've been tired from the altitude, could've been cold, or could've just been throwing a fit in frustration of losing. One thing we know is it wasnt a big deal injury (as evidenced by the video of him and Amendola driving around partying a few days later. ).. No matter which way you slice it, a repeat performance of that will derail Tom Brady's "revenge tour" as you Pats fans (as evidenced by the 1000 faccebook memes I see a day) call it. Will Gronk put the team first this time? Tune in this weekend.

 

[upstater]

"McHale at his best was better than Bird at his best." -upstater "McHale was guarded by 8 guys at the same time. Just watch the series." -upstater

And?

 

[upstater]

My favorite thing was everyone jumping at every little thing (eg the Patriots fumble at an astronomically low rate). 2015: tied for first with only .8 fumbles per game. If you take out special teams fumbles--for some reason, a thorn in the Patriots side in 2015, I'm willing to bet they top the league easily.

It's like the other teams sweeping the visitor locker rooms pregame. Never mind they've never found anything. They waste so much time on this nonsense pregame. Advantage Belichick.

That stat was also easily refuted by the fact that their fumble rate at home was at the league average. Their fumble rate on the road was really really low.

 

[upstater]

Shouldn't Pats fans be more worried about this weekend in Denver than deflated balls? I would be. It is worrisome. The last time the Pats were in Denver Gronk seemed to have quit before the end of the game. Could've been tired from the altitude, could've been cold, or could've just been throwing a fit in frustration of losing. One thing we know is it wasnt a big deal injury (as evidenced by the video of him and Amendola driving around partying a few days later. ).. No matter which way you slice it, a repeat performance of that will derail Tom Brady's "revenge tour" as you Pats fans (as evidenced by the 1000 faccebook memes I see a day) call it. Will Gronk put the team first this time? Tune in this weekend.

Nonsense. Gronk didn't practice all last week because of that same knee injury. He received an injection for it on Friday. The Denver game was a long while ago and he's still injured.

 

[intlzncster]

Shouldn't Pats fans be more worried about this weekend in Denver than deflated balls? I would be. It is worrisome.

Why? We don't have any affect on the game. I was more worried about the Steelers anyway. 1/2 a Roethlisburger worried me more than 2015 Manning.

Can the Broncos win? Sure. But I'm more than happy with the way things are setting up. If the Pats are healthy, particularly on defense (Collins/Hightower/Jones), I love their chances. If not, all bets are off. The Patriots are deep, but there is certain guys they can't live without: Brady/Gronk on offense and Hightower/Collins on defense

The last time the Pats were in Denver Gronk seemed to have quit before the end of the game. Could've been tired from the altitude, could've been cold, or could've just been throwing a fit in frustration of losing. One thing we know is it wasnt a big deal injury (as evidenced by the video of him and Amendola driving around partying a few days later. ).. No matter which way you slice it, a repeat performance of that will derail Tom Brady's "revenge tour" as you Pats fans (as evidenced by the 1000 faccebook memes I see a day) call it. Will Gronk put the team first this time? Tune in this weekend.

Are you kidding me? He was injured in the 3rd quarter. So he quit at the end of the first half? And also got jobbed on a bunch of offensive pass interference calls; that's pretty much the only thing that can stop him sans injury. He's too much of a meat head to quit.

God forbid Gronk parties. If you put up the numbers and performances he does, you get to party however much you want, no questions asked. It's not like he's out doing drugs, getting arrested, raping and beating chicks, or shooting himself in the foot.

 

[sdhusky]

And you twisted that quote. In the same thread, and in the ESPN top 10 SF threads, I wrote about Bird being #2, and the best Celtic. And I even stated repeatedly I wasn't saying McHale was better than Bird. But you did what you always do: twist things.

LOL.

That is an exact word-for-word quote. I didn't twist anything. I quoted you.

 

[superjohn]

And?

I think it speaks for itself. You are heading into Chief territory and I'm not referring to Robert Parish.

 

[intlzncster]

I think it speaks for itself. You are heading into Chief territory and I'm not referring to Robert Parish.

There is a great Chief/Parish/upstater getting high smoking a peace pipe joke in there. I'm not with upstater on the Bird/McHale thing whatsoever.

 

[August_West]

God forbid Gronk parties. If you put up the numbers and performances he does, you get to party however much you want, no questions asked. It's not like he's out doing drugs, getting arrested, raping and beating chicks, or shooting himself in the foot.

Its a bad look. thats all. He's gotta fight for his right to paaaar-tay,
Just like the Dude last weekend, who had a poor 3 year old kid just out of the hospital in with a broken femur and a gofundme started by a family member to help defray medical costs.......................and then goes with his Brother to an all inclusive resort in Mexico to see three Phish shows. A bad look.
The Pats are the 3 year old, Kraft is the gofundme and Gronk is the deadbeat dad. Its a direct correlation.

 

[intlzncster]

Its a bad look. thats all. He's gotta fight for his right to paaaar-tay,
Just like the Dude last weekend, who had a poor 3 year old kid just out of the hospital in with a broken femur and a gofundme started by a family member to help defray medical costs........and then goes with his Brother to an all inclusive resort in Mexico to see three Phish shows. A bad look.
The Pats are the 3 year old, Kraft is the gofundme and Gronk is the deadbeat dad. Its a direct correlation.

Not going to lie, when you first busted out that analogy, I was gonna rip you for it. But the extended description made the joke. hahah

Here's a funny Belichick story on Gronk partying:

"While I was watching a training camp practice in between my own exercises, Coach Belichick was standing right next to me and said, ‘Rob, you are one of the hardest workers I’ve seen, and you’re always working hard when you’re here, but when you’re not here … I don’t know about your craziness off the field, the messing,’” the book says. “I started laughing and told him, ‘The fun stuff makes me grind harder, coach.’ He shook his head as he walked off and said, ‘Whatever works for you.’"

Presumably, that BB philosophy doesn't apply to doing PCP and killing a bunch of people.

 

[Husky25]

It didnt have to do with the total value of the cap since there wasn't one, but it had to do with new contracts not having lump sums in the first year. It was highly technical and had everything to do with the uncapped year. The gist was that there would have to be incremental increases in contracts signed that year by a certain %. And the fines for the Saints were not only cap space but money and draft picks.

Regardless, the whole point of this discussion is that the league wasn't sued. Not even the NFLPA could sue for that because they too signed away their rights.

If this was the case, why did the Skins' offense hinged around paying two players their guaranteed money. Haynesworth and DeAngelo Hall were already on the team. The Saints were not penalized a draft pick for the uncapped year. That was for bounty-____. The Saints punishment for the uncapped year is they did not get a pro rata share (approx. $1.6 million) increase in salary cap that they other 28 teams did.

The NFLPA did not sue because the pot from where the players were paid was made whole by the redistribution of the salary cap taken from the Cowboys ($10M) and Redskins($36M). $46M/28 teams = $1,642,857.14.

 

[HuskyHawk]

And as recently as the Kansas City game, for some reason the Chiefs headsets were broken intermittently during the game. Not the first time Patriot opponents had difficulties with their communications during important games.

But ignore that smoke there is no fire.

This happens at every stadium, and according to the NFL is no more common in Gillette than anywhere else. Please end this jealous nonsense. The practice and work harder than other teams, and play smarter. That's it. Nothing else. Anything else is excuses from fans of teams that don't want to put in the effort or lack the talent.

Here is the list of NFL cheaters. Denver Broncos are #1. Patriots rank 23rd.

 

[Husky25]

You gotta try to follow along better. If the rest of my post is irrelevant, then you're not following. We're talking about how Dallas, New Orleans and Washington didn't appeal. Why? Because teams don't appeal. So what's really irrelevant is your post. Actually, by saying there wasn't a rule, that reinforces my original point which was that teams don't appeal. If there was no rule violated, they have even less reason to appeal.

But the rule violated by Dallas was the 25% rule which prevent divergences in contracts from year to year for salary cap purposes. It's true the teams also colluded in not dumping contracts in an uncapped year (there was no rule against that) but there was a rule against signing players to big first-year contracts without corresponding later year contracts. Put it this way, the Patriots could have paid Brady that year $35 million. This wouldn't have violated the NFLs collusion to prevent salary dumping in 2010 (no rule against it), but it would have violated the rules against contract variance from year-to-year. Especially if Brady had taken a $7 million contract in his next year.

Redskins prepared

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The Redskins inserted a player voidable clause, allowing Haynesworth to end his contract early. Due to Cap rules, the signing bonus following the voidable clause will not prorate through the remainder of the contract.

Haynesworth’s $21 million bonus last April (2011) that was restructured in the manner described above to have the entire amount count in 2010 with no accounting in future years. Thus, for Cap accounting, there is no remaining Cap hit on that money in future years and it allows the Redskins to trade Haynesworth without Cap consequences.

The Redskins did appeal. It was denied.

 

[upstater]

LOL.

That is an exact word-for-word quote. I didn't twist anything. I quoted you.

In fact, I can go back to that thread and bring a quote from me that says I believe Bird is a better payer than McHale. And I said that repeatedly.

 

[upstater]

I think it speaks for itself. You are heading into Chief territory and I'm not referring to Robert Parish.

You're already there. I'm sure you'll welcome me.

 

[upstater]

There is a great Chief/Parish/upstater getting high smoking a peace pipe joke in there. I'm not with upstater on the Bird/McHale thing whatsoever.

Well, if you believe the Goodellian twist jobs of what I said, I wouldn't agree that Bird is better than McHale either, because I never said that.

These guys act like this is some sort of crazy statement, that McHale at his best was better than Bird, but it's not like I'm the only one: Fellow NBA Hall of Famer Charles Barkley said of McHale, "Kevin McHale's the best player I played against because he was unstoppable offensively, and he gave me nightmares on defense."[7]

Barkley played against Bird as well.

During the year I'm referencing, McHale was the NBA Defensive Player of the Year, and 4th in MVP voting behind Magic, Bird, and Michael Jordan.

It is not a stretch at all to say he was unstoppable and played at a higher level than Bird ever played during a portion of that season. It's not even close over their careers, because McHale only came into his own that year. And after that, he broke his foot, played on it, and totally damaged his career. We have no idea how he would have played after that. Then again, Bird hurt his back in 1987 and he wasn't the same player ever again either.

But hey, maybe Chief is waiting for Barkley to show up in the Drummond room.

 

[Mots010]

Why? We don't have any affect on the game. I was more worried about the Steelers anyway. 1/2 a Roethlisburger worried me more than 2015 Manning.

Can the Broncos win? Sure. But I'm more than happy with the way things are setting up. If the Pats are healthy, particularly on defense (Collins/Hightower/Jones), I love their chances. If not, all bets are off. The Patriots are deep, but there is certain guys they can't live without: Brady/Gronk on offense and Hightower/Collins on defense



Are you kidding me? He was injured in the 3rd quarter. So he quit at the end of the first half?

I'm nitpicking, but he was injured with 2:31 left in the game. The 14 point lead had already evaporated to 4 points by then

 

[upstater]

If this was the case, why did the Skins' offense hinged around paying two players their guaranteed money. Haynesworth and DeAngelo Hall were already on the team. The Saints were not penalized a draft pick for the uncapped year. That was for bounty-____. The Saints punishment for the uncapped year is they did not get a pro rata share (approx. $1.6 million) increase in salary cap that they other 28 teams did.

The NFLPA did not sue because the pot from where the players were paid was made whole by the redistribution of the salary cap taken from the Cowboys ($10M) and Redskins($36M). $46M/28 teams = $1,642,857.14.

1. Signing bonus money is extended over the length of the contract. It's guaranteed money, but the rules state it is pro-rated.

2. You're confusing things. My original post on the question of appeals cited the Saints and Bountygate. Not uncapped years.

3. The NFLPA didn't sue because it had signed away the rights to sue over this in CBA negotiations. Just as Kraft and all the other owners did, which was my original point.

But think about it, when you have a player like Brady, why wouldn't you have paid him a ton of money that year? You know he is all about sacrificing pay for the team. You can simply pay him then, and it wouldn't have gone against the collusion against dumping unwanted contracts into the uncapped year. The reason why they didn't do it with Brady was that it was against the contract variance rules put specifically into place for an uncapped year. This wasn't about dumping players but mainly about signing new ones to front-heavy contracts.

 

[intlzncster]

The Redskins did appeal. It was denied.

Side note. Is the NFL appeal process the single dumbest thing ever? Without a guaranteed neutral third party arbiter, what's the point? The NFL never admits it is wrong. When the appeal goes to court, the NFL loses consistently. It's twilight zone stuff.

 

[sdhusky]

In fact, I can go back to that thread and bring a quote from me that says I believe Bird is a better payer than McHale. And I said that repeatedly.

That was the funniest part. You ended up arguing with yourself and seemed to be quite unaware of it.

 

[intlzncster]

These guys act like this is some sort of crazy statement, that McHale at his best was better than Bird, but it's not like I'm the only one: Fellow NBA Hall of Famer Charles Barkley said of McHale, "Kevin McHale's the best player I played against because he was unstoppable offensively, and he gave me nightmares on defense."[7] Barkley played against Bird as well.

I'm not going to jump into the fray, as I don't have enough interest in the argument, but the above statement could simply be Charles talking about the guys he directly faced up against on the court. McHale was a PF and Barkley and him probably went one on one a number of times. I'm willing to bet CB didn't spend a lot of time covering Bird and vice versa.

 

[Husky25]

3. The NFLPA didn't sue because it had signed away the rights to sue over this in CBA negotiations. Just as Kraft and all the other owners did, which was my original point.

But think about it, when you have a player like Brady, why wouldn't you have paid him a ton of money that year? You know he is all about sacrificing pay for the team. You can simply pay him then, and it wouldn't have gone against the collusion against dumping unwanted contracts into the uncapped year. The reason why they didn't do it with Brady was that it was against the contract variance rules put specifically into place for an uncapped year. This wasn't about dumping players but mainly about signing new ones to front-heavy contracts.

The NFLPA had to recourse to sue The Pot from which the players are paid was made whole by distributing the lost cap room by the 'Boys and 'Skins.

In one of the articles I linked, you can find it, it said every team dumped cap money. The most egregious were Wash, Dal, N.O., and Oak.