Death penalty impact?

[Blaneylover]

I would not dismiss the death penalty here for Louisville.

This case is tailor-made for its application.

The death penalty can be applied if a major violation is committed within five years of the announcement of a previous major violation. In this instance, it was five weeks and the second violation...holy cow. It has everything...the FBI, a level of a lack of institutional control rarely seen outside of prison riots, six-figure payments, steering players to agents, indictments, everything.

This is the Aaron Judge of scandal prospects.

I would say the odds of the death penalty given what we know now are about 60-40. I doubt those odds do anything but get worse for UL.

I agree. Louisville needs to be looked at differently from the other schools involved in this because this news comes on the heals of a different major violation. My question here is, with Pitino going down (and I would assume Bruce Pearl likely to follow) what happens to Sean Miller, Jim Larranaga, Andy Enfield, and the like?

 

[The Viking]

It would be a very aggressive move but what if UConn was on the phone right now with the Duke, UNC and VA presidents trying to talk about letting them replace the Ville.....focus would be back on Academic institutions, basketball and ethics. The ACC/Old BE footprint would be restored.

Where the hell is FSU and Clemson going anyway for the next 20 years?

 

[ctchamps]

If you are talking UNC (I was not) that would make 3 ACC teams getting the death penalty. Do you really see Mark Emmert pulling that off?

This scandal could take years and the NCAA will be under the gun to make a statement now to show it has integrity (even if most of us cynically believe differently). The P5 is very likely vulnerable right now because a vast majority to the TBD shoe company shoes coming off will affect them so they're not about to make a statement in the near future and bolt. Nor is the media willing to support this without seeing how this plays out.

UNC may really regret they stalled imo.

 

[Edward Sargent]

This scandal could take years and the NCAA will be under the gun to make a statement now to show it has integrity (even if most of us cynically believe differently). The P5 is very likely vulnerable right now because a vast majority to the TBD shoe company shoes coming off will affect them so they're not about to make a statement in the near future and bolt. Nor is the media willing to support this without seeing how this plays out.

UNC may really regret they stalled imo.

Interesting perspective. While they can't muck up the waters of the Federal case they sure can make UNC's lives miserable if they want to. Hmm!

 

[jibsey]

It would be a very aggressive move but what if UConn was on the phone right now with the Duke, UNC and VA presidents trying to talk about letting them replace the Ville.....focus would be back on Academic institutions, basketball and ethics. The ACC/Old BE footprint would be restored.

Where the hell is FSU and Clemson going anyway for the next 20 years?

I like this, but is there any chance Louisville gets drummed out of the ACC? Sounds like a longshot.

 

[auror]

I like this, but is there any chance Louisville gets drummed out of the ACC? Sounds like a longshot.

Not unless somehow the info on Louisville's computers that the Feds took implicates their football program, too.

 

[BaZZnBOAT]

UL was already on the decline. Their school is in need of cash badly, which is why the $40m buyout of Pitino would be crushing for them.

They are in danger of losing accreditation which, while unlikely, would be crippling in itself.

Now this entire thing with Rick Pitino, Brian Bowen, and etc., and now Bobby Petrino is rumored to be on his way out.

The university is dying. I wouldn't call it completely out of the question to see some kind of arrangement made to get them out of ACC. It's unlikely, but they are a dying school and I don't think that should go unnoticed.

 

[The Viking]

I like this, but is there any chance Louisville gets drummed out of the ACC? Sounds like a longshot.

I don't think anyone expects it to happen either - I was just wondering if UConn had the balls to be ringing up some presidents of quality schools in the ACC just to "connect" and see how life is...

 

[Edward Sargent]

I don't think anyone expects it to happen either - I was just wondering if UConn had the balls to be ringing up some presidents of quality schools in the ACC just to "connect" and see how life is...

No

 

[Edward Sargent]

No

and it ain't about having "balls" either that stuff just ain't done

 

[Redding Husky]

I don't think there's any chance a school gets the death penalty out of this.

Louisville was already on probation. If the NCAA doesn't use the death penalty here, they need to just take it off the books as a possible punishment.

 

[Redding Husky]

I think the fact that this is Louisville and not UNC or Texas or some other program people actually care about is also important. If this was Texas or Kansas, I would say there is a 10% chance of a death penalty. Louisville is expendable.

Another interpretation is that Louisville is a big program, so WKU should be very, very, nervous.

Someone will pay.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Another interpretation is that Louisville is a big program, so WKU should be very, very, nervous.

Someone will pay.

The NCAA will look ridiculous if they do their normal deflection. Someone big is going to have to get cut down. The two questions are 1) Who?, and 2) how far is down?

 

[Redding Husky]

1) The NCAA has to give Louisville the death penalty. The NCAA's reputation is on the line. That's not a joke. No one respects the NCAA right now, but if the death penalty isn't given, the NCAA will no longer be able to justify its existence. It may disappear.

2) The ACC will not kick out Louisville, and Louisville will survive. But we'll enjoy watching them squirm for several years.

 

[Redding Husky]

I thought the death penalty was two years. Isn't that what SMU got?

SMU's penalty was no football in 1987 and no home games in 1988.

SMU decided to not play in 1988 instead of only playing a short schedule with only away games. I was a grad student there at that time.

SMU was paying some players about $200 per month. From what I read about Louisville, one player got $100,000 and one got $150,000. Unbelievable.

 

[Goat]

I want to know if the FBI is done or whether this is just to start making deals with witnesses for favorable plea bargains.

Coaches, ADs, Presidents, shoe company executives all could be looking at incarceration.

This very well could be the end of the contrivance that is NCAA amateurism. I would be surprised if coaches are just fired and slip off to the NBA. Conference reorganization 2.0 maybe coming.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

I doubt there will be a Death Penalty.

But I had this thought: I believe this investigation is three years old. Three years ago, coach McGee was still providing hookers to players and recruits. I always wondered where that money came from....who fronted that cash. Wouldn't it be funny if the funding came from Addidas? Or better yet, from Addidas through Quick.....

Wonder if the feds will interview McGee.....

 

[huskeynut]

Louisville is on the verge of the death penalty because of the timing of all of this. Practice is supposed to start next week. I don't think they can hire an interm coach until Pitino is fired. Right he's unpaid administrative leave. Jurick is on paid administrative leave. There is a supposed 10 day clause in Pitino's contract that needs to be honored. There are already questions about the board overstepping its bounds.

As to the NCAA and Emmert, they are run by the university/ college presidents and boards, I believe. The financial take for the NCAA last year was close to $1 billion dollars. Does the NCAA put themselves in peril by doing nothing significant? Or do they step up and give the death penalty to Louisville? Their credibility is on the line or at least what's left of it. If they chicken out, it may be the end of the NCAA as we know it.

We don't know all the FBI has in evidence. When it is all known, the NCAA may have no choice.

 

[freescooter]

SMU's penalty was no football in 1987 and no home games in 1988.

SMU decided to not play in 1988 instead of only playing a short schedule with only away games. I was a grad student there at that time.

SMU was paying some players about $200 per month. From what I read about Louisville, one player got $100,000 and one got $150,000. Unbelievable.

i think they also we banned from television for 1-2 years. UL should get something comparable. No team for a year. 18 game schedule for 2 more and no NCAA for 5.

 

[CL82]

and it ain't about having "balls" either that stuff just ain't done

Meh. Too soon and too direct. Their are ways to broach it more diplomatically when the timing is right.

 

[CL82]

SMU's penalty was no football in 1987 and no home games in 1988.

SMU decided to not play in 1988 instead of only playing a short schedule with only away games. I was a grad student there at that time.

SMU was paying some players about $200 per month. From what I read about Louisville, one player got $100,000 and one got $150,000. Unbelievable.

That's the thing isn't it. With all the defections from 'villes recruiting class, they've already had a death penalty of sorts.

 

[ctchamps]

That's the thing isn't it. With all the defections from 'villes recruiting class, they've already had a death penalty of sorts.

Given how long the feds will drag this out the NCAA will probably be prevented from taking any action for quite some time. Louisville and any of the named programs are indeed taking a hit as if they received the death penalty because decent players will avoid going to these programs until things are finally sorted out.

 

[zls44]

The NCAA will look ridiculous if they do their normal deflection. Someone big is going to have to get cut down. The two questions are 1) Who?, and 2) how far is down?

Chicago State

 

[Danzz]

I don't think there's any chance a school gets the death penalty out of this.

The SMU damage was too great and I doubt we'll see a similar penalty.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

Best penalty for Louisville would be no scholarship athletes for a decade. Zero. As long as they are not wothout scholarships, a crooked coach like Pitino could have them back up in no time (look how quickly Penn State football has returned to national prominence). Gotta cripple the program. So ten years without a dime towards athletics.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The SMU damage was too great and I doubt we'll see a similar penalty.

I think Louisville should be very nervous about the SMU example. Every SWC school got busted for cheating at the same time as SMU. The difference with SMU was that it's cheating was more blatant, and it was deemed expendable while Texas and Texas A&M were not.

 

[djct1999]

I think Louisville should be very nervous about the SMU example. Every SWC school got busted for cheating at the same time as SMU. The difference with SMU was that it's cheating was more blatant, and it was deemed expendable while Texas and Texas A&M were not.

I agree, especially at a time where the NCAA is also fighting for survival. If they slap Louisville on the wrist for this, they will lose further credibility and be stripped of any power that is left.

Whats fascinating to me is that this happened in basketball. I always felt the P5 would break away in football but basketball flourished under the NCAA because of the tournament. This discovery can very well blow that up and change the landscape forever. I definitely see athletes, especially in revenue generating sports, getting compensated in the future. This is no problem for Ohio State but could be the end for schools like Villanova, St. Johns, or Providence.

 

[UConnJim]

The SMU damage was too great and I doubt we'll see a similar penalty.

Disagree. SMU football had to completely rebuild after being shutdown for 2 years, one year self imposed as they knew they couldn't compete. What was the real death sentence for SMU football was the collapse of the SWC and the formation of the Big 12 as SMU did not get an invite.

 

[freescooter]

Somebody needs to explain to me how paying players would solve this problem. I suppose if you are paying them huge contracts, basically NBA level, it works but if you are paying something less or comparable to d-league wages (max +/- 26000, lowest $19500) and you get offered $150000 to go to University 6 you still take it. The second problem you have is that in deciding to pay players you have for all intents and purposes created a smallish minor league of teams that can afford to pay. Maybe 60-70. So you've ended the NCAA tournament because the MAAC champ ain't playing a pro team and it isn't paying its guys either. You also have title IX issues. Since you can't treat women differently you need to pay the women's team and if you pay football you need to pay 85-100 women too. What is the going rate for Women's rowing? It has been clear for ages now that revenues don't figure into the equation when it comes to Title IX implications. Some good ol' boys tried that 20 years ago arguing that football deserved more scholarships because it generated more revenues than women's tennis and it was shot down hard.

There are a huge number of other issues but the bottom line is that paying players doesn't begin to address the problem of illegal payments.

 

[CL82]

Best penalty for Louisville would be no scholarship athletes for a decade. Zero. As long as they are not wothout scholarships, a crooked coach like Pitino could have them back up in no time (look how quickly Penn State football has returned to national prominence). Gotta cripple the program. So ten years without a dime towards athletics.

You realize that Louis-vile is pretty much an athletic department with some classrooms for compliance purposes. Killing athletics for a decade kills the school. Not that it isn't deserved.