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Death penalty impact?

I thought the death penalty was two years. Isn't that what SMU got?
 
I wonder if the ACC by-laws has an institutional "moral turpitude" clause or whether they rely on the NCAA.
 
The death penalty is at least a year. SMU got 1 and serious limitations in year 2. Don't remember exactly but I think it included only conference games and no home games. Something like that and they decided it wouldn't work so just cancelled the season effectively extending it to 2 years.
 
Given how close to the season this is dropping and that they're gonna need to nuke the entire BB staff, plus the AD, I wonder if UL decides to death penalty themselves for this season in the hopes that its enough.
 
Personally, I think the NCAA will feel that they've been backed in to a corner and eventually will give 'ville "the death penalty". If this investigation goes as bad as it could go...the NCAA will have major credibility issues. What if the FBI finds that the NCAA missed (or overlooked) obvious issues? My guess is that as this investigation goes along Mark Emmert will feel he heat.
 
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If they Lville get the death penalty, is there any reasonable chance the ACC kicks them out?
 
dwalks93 said:
It could not be a more perfect storm for a death penalty,,,,

An obviously crooked upstart non-academic focused sports factory with 2 legendarily shady head coaches gets caught on tape discussing paying players $1000,000 less than 2 months after being sanctioned by the NCAA for providing hookers to recruits,,,,

The difference on this one will be the legally obtained title 3 wire taps and the FBI. For example, hearing Ray Rice punched his girlfriend wasn't nearly the impact as when one saw the video. How do you think hearing Louisville Assistant coaches talk about paying players will go over? Probably with same incremental effect the Ray Rice video had? The tapes will go public and its hard for the NCAA to slow role findings by the FBI.

The Death penalty is not out of the question for UL...either way Pitino and Jurich are gone
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If the NCAA invokes the death penalty it will be to save their own ass. They're a puppet arm of the P5.
 
I don't know if the NCAA will ever issue another death penalty (especially to a power conference member) but I can easily see a punishment similar to what Kentucky received (citizens of that state must be so proud) in 1989, which ironically led to Pitino coming in as a savior.
 
Palatine said:
I thought the death penalty was two years. Isn't that what SMU got?
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SMU did not get the full death penalty which would have shut down the football program for 3 years. I think SMU football got shut down for 1 year, but the school recognized that they could not really field a football team in year 2, so they shut it down in year 2 as well. And, in their second game back from the death penalty, they beat UConn 31-30 at SMU. In basketball, you can recover from the death penalty quickly, but you can't in football.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I don't know if the NCAA will ever issue another death penalty (especially to a power conference member) but I can easily see a punishment similar to what Kentucky received (citizens of that state must be so proud) in 1989, which ironically led to Pitino coming in as a savior.
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You can recover quickly from the death penalty in basketball, especially if you have the resources, facilities, tradition, and fan base that Louisville has. In this case, it appears that Louisville blatantly broke both laws and NCAA regulations even though they had just been put on NCAA probation. This is the same thing that happened at SMU. If the NCAA is not going to shut down a program for a season or two after breaking laws and NCAA regulations while under NCAA probation, then they may as well abolish NCAA enforcement and the NCAA should just organize tournaments. I think the only way that the NCAA survives this mess is to lower the boom on Louisville.
 
Hoophound said:
This is a big deal. These aren't rumors about a car or some money, but conclusive evidence of huge cash payments. It is as bad as it gets and if it is dealt with without extreme punishment, there is absolutely no reason to have rules. We say this each time a big scandal hits, but this is epic. The NCAA has to come down brutally hard or just throw away the rule book and let everyone do as they please.
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This could be the end of the NCAA and give the P5 cover enough to break away and set up a new system where they pay players openly.
 
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CL82 said:
While on probation for hiring strippers and paying for sex for athletes and recruits, they arranged for another recruit to get paid for joining the team. If they don't get it, the NCAA might as well fold up shop.
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If you are paying recruits $150k, why do you also need hookers?
 
UConnJim said:
You can recover quickly from the death penalty in basketball, especially if you have the resources, facilities, tradition, and fan base that Louisville has. In this case, it appears that Louisville blatantly broke both laws and NCAA regulations even though they had just been put on NCAA probation. This is the same thing that happened at SMU. If the NCAA is not going to shut down a program for a season or two after breaking laws and NCAA regulations while under NCAA probation, then they may as well abolish NCAA enforcement and the NCAA should just organize tournaments. I think the only way that the NCAA survives this mess is to lower the boom on Louisville.
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Plus Factor in coke, hookers and hard cash cause they'll likely do it again. Ask Petrino.
 
zls44 said:
Given how close to the season this is dropping and that they're gonna need to nuke the entire BB staff, plus the AD, I wonder if UL decides to death penalty themselves for this season in the hopes that its enough.
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The only way that happens is if they conclude there is a more severe cost that the NCAA will impose than what they would self impose, and based on history I don't think they'll conclude that.
 
I tried to look up death penalty and all I can find is banishment from competition for 1 year. Their players would transfer without penalty, and they recruit and are back in business the following year, right?
 
jibsey said:
I tried to look up death penalty and all I can find is banishment from competition for 1 year. Their players would transfer without penalty, and they recruit and are back in business the following year, right?
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I would imagine they would be severely limited in scholarships, post season ect for several years after the banishment.

It would probably mean 5 years of being Rutgers.
 
junglehusky said:
The only way that happens is if they conclude there is a more severe cost that the NCAA will impose than what they would self impose, and based on history I don't think they'll conclude that.
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Yes, but I'm thinking of this in a different way.

If the "death penalty" is so taboo, the only other escalation is postseason appearances / scholarships. Maybe you kill one year in entirety to save 5 years of NCAAs (example) in the future?
 
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Based on the way things usually go for UConn, Louisville will probably have to pay back their NCAA credits that now belong to the AAC and UConn will suffer the consequences.:oops:
 
Acc is dumb. They should get in trouble too. That's a thing, right?
No matter what happens to Louisville it will never be good enough imo because of the state of uconn athletics. Pending "the call up".
 
Chely's Home said:
Acc is dumb. They should get in trouble too. That's a thing, right?
No matter what happens to Louisville it will never be good enough imo because of the state of uconn athletics. Pending "the call up".
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RICO is a hell of a law, and could scoop a lot of unsuspecting people up just because they knew about what was happening and they benefited from the criminal activity in some way. I suspect that shredders are working overtime and people are practicing saying "I don't know" in the mirror at ACC offices today.
 
Any chance Louisville voluntarily shuts the program down for a year for the sake of PR?
 
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Guapo said:
Any chance Louisville voluntarily shuts the program down for a year for the sake of PR?
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That may be a good play by Louisville depending on how much support they think they have. Self-imposing the death penalty would take some heat off and show the rest of the NCAA and the ACC that you were serious about cleaning things up.

I hope they fight this. Play the "rogue coach" angle, because that will piss everyone off.
 
Jaybo said:
Honestly how bad could a one year death penalty hurt a school like Louisville?

Not like they're being forced back to the American or conference USA.
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Personally I do not see the NCAA handling down any penalties for the duration that it takes the FBI to bring this through the Federal Courts. We are talking Federal jail time for a large number of people here and I can't see any judge wanting the press surrounding little Mark Emmert's attempt to get control of the NCAA resulting in a mistrial. The other thing is you all are talking about Lville when in fact they have evidence of similar level of corruption at Miami, USC, and Auburn and maybe others. This all before one or more sneaker guys take plea deals and turn in what they know about all the other schools. I honestly feel that the NCAA will be happy to keep their mouth's shut, cooperate with the Feds where they can and be thankful they don't have to hand down "death penalties" to at least 2 ACC schools.
My 2 cents
 
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scoobydoo said:
If you are paying recruits $150k, why do you also need hookers?
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a) because if you already are dumping $150k into a recruit, why scrimp on the hookers? and/or
b) because the $150k bribe took place after the strippergate was shut down.
 
CL82 said:
a) because if you already are dumping $150k into a recruit, why scrimp on the hookers? and/or
b) because the $150k bribe took place after the strippergate was shut down.
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No way this new and used in place of the hookers and coke. The kids were getting all the perks.
 
Edward Sargent said:
Personally I do not see the NCAA handling down any penalties for the duration that it takes the FBI to bring this through the Federal Courts. We are talking Federal jail time for a large number of people here and I can't see any judge wanting the press surrounding little Mark Emmert's attempt to get control of the NCAA resulting in a mistrial. The other thing is you all are talking about Lville when in fact they have evidence of similar level of corruption at Miami, USC, and Auburn and maybe others. This all before one or more sneaker guys take plea deals and turn in what they know about all the other schools. I honestly feel that the NCAA will be happy to keep their mouth's shut, cooperate with the Feds where they can and be thankful they don't have to hand down "death penalties" to at least 2 ACC schools.
My 2 cents
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Too many moving parts to know how things will play out. I've noticed a lot of posters thinking UNC will be getting a slap in the wrist and that this latest scandal increases those odds. I'm thinking the opposite. If I profile Emmert correctly he's a cya guy and will very likely push his NCAA colleagues to make an example of UNC just to keep the Justice Department and the FBI at an arms length away from investigating him and the NCAA. May not work if things get revealed but I see it in character with Emmert.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Too many moving parts to know how things will play out. I've noticed a lot of posters thinking UNC will be getting a slap in the wrist and that this latest scandal increases those odds. I'm thinking the opposite. If I profile Emmert correctly he's a cya guy and will very likely push his NCAA colleagues to make an example of UNC just to keep the Justice Department and the FBI at an arms length away from investigating him and the NCAA. May not work if things get revealed but I see it in character with Emmert.
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If you are talking UNC (I was not) that would make 3 ACC teams getting the death penalty. Do you really see Mark Emmert pulling that off?
 
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