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I think the staff was probably banking on Samson and Hasson making a huge leap on their 5th year. They could've gotten anyone they wanted for the C and PG spot from the portal. It looks like this was a huge miss sadly.
Think about what Hurley cost this team with that technical. We steal that Memphis game and probably get to the final playing Michigan St. and either UNC or Auburn. Then you have a whole different feel to this team. They are feeling good and it sets a tone for the season. Instead, we walk out of Maui playing Memphis, Colorado, and likely Dayton with maybe 0 wins. We get nothing in the NET with those games. Clearly, the worst preseason tourney since the 2000 Maui when they lost to Dayton and left beating Chaminde and Louisville. One stupid mistake by an otherwise great coach could cost them their season.
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Late to the thread again. The following has probably been mentioned:
Let me start with the good with a little needs improvement mixed in:
Ball has a nice 3 Pt stroke. Good to see he's not afraid to let em rip. He needs to continue to take 3s, but has to work on attacking the basket and finish more often and/or draw contact. Improved passing is needed as well.
McNeeley is the real deal. If he didn't miss time due to injury, we probably keep the momentum and win this game. He's just going to get better.
Nowell looks like one of the the two lead guards we need, with Mahaney taking on the Joey Cal role if he can figure out how to contribute and not be a liability. You could tell the moment looked a tad big for Nowell shooting wise, likely due to a lack of PT leading up to today.
Diarra made a lot of nice plays, but shouldn't be the player taking the last two shots with the game on the line. I do like that he wasn't afraid to take them, but try to look for a teammate as a first or second read. He's made some big late shots for us, but today didn't happen.
The not so good:
The team can't defend without fouling. This needs to be fixed. It's fixable and hope they figure it out sooner than later. Loosely related, can't wait till they play in front of BE refs where they normally let them play. Looks like perimeter breakdowns are leading to putting teammates in bad foul situations, though many fouls are simply on the ball ones.
Karaban has come up big in most of our games this season, but not today. If he had even an okay shooting day we win. He'll be fine this year, but we needed a few of his 3s to fall today to pull out the W.
Reed Jr looked great and was getting better each game, but no today. He couldn't stay on the floor. Teammates couldn't get him the ball when he was on the floor.
Johnson can't defend without fouling. Hope the staff can coach him up and he is able to learn. Lots of ball to be played, but little sign of him getting it. Though I'm not sure all of them were fouls, but many of the legit ones look avoidable. Maybe they need to tie one of his hands behind his back in practice to get through to him. He needs to show improved defense BBIQ. His lack of rebounds is often the result of trying to help out on D when at times he should be battling for solid defense rebounding position.
Ross, I still think he's going to be a special player, but it looks like the stage right now looks a tad too big for him. He's missing his 3s and doesn't seem to be as assertive attacking the basket. It will come, but he's further away than those who have seen his potential thought.
Stewart continues to look like a big game player. Hurley needs to continue to find him minutes and ways that maximize his abilities.
As noted above, coach up Mahaney in the Joey Cal mode for now, till he proves he deserves more PT than a few spot minutes. He continues to be a liability. Let's hope he figures it out and proves to his coaches that they made the right decision to bring him here.
In addition to taking 2 losses, they've squandered resume building opportunities by losing these first two games. I'm sure I'm speaking for everyone, but missing the opportunity to see them face a top 10 team is very disappointing.
Let me start with the good with a little needs improvement mixed in:
Ball has a nice 3 Pt stroke. Good to see he's not afraid to let em rip. He needs to continue to take 3s, but has to work on attacking the basket and finish more often and/or draw contact. Improved passing is needed as well.
McNeeley is the real deal. If he didn't miss time due to injury, we probably keep the momentum and win this game. He's just going to get better.
Nowell looks like one of the the two lead guards we need, with Mahaney taking on the Joey Cal role if he can figure out how to contribute and not be a liability. You could tell the moment looked a tad big for Nowell shooting wise, likely due to a lack of PT leading up to today.
Diarra made a lot of nice plays, but shouldn't be the player taking the last two shots with the game on the line. I do like that he wasn't afraid to take them, but try to look for a teammate as a first or second read. He's made some big late shots for us, but today didn't happen.
The not so good:
The team can't defend without fouling. This needs to be fixed. It's fixable and hope they figure it out sooner than later. Loosely related, can't wait till they play in front of BE refs where they normally let them play. Looks like perimeter breakdowns are leading to putting teammates in bad foul situations, though many fouls are simply on the ball ones.
Karaban has come up big in most of our games this season, but not today. If he had even an okay shooting day we win. He'll be fine this year, but we needed a few of his 3s to fall today to pull out the W.
Reed Jr looked great and was getting better each game, but no today. He couldn't stay on the floor. Teammates couldn't get him the ball when he was on the floor.
Johnson can't defend without fouling. Hope the staff can coach him up and he is able to learn. Lots of ball to be played, but little sign of him getting it. Though I'm not sure all of them were fouls, but many of the legit ones look avoidable. Maybe they need to tie one of his hands behind his back in practice to get through to him. He needs to show improved defense BBIQ. His lack of rebounds is often the result of trying to help out on D when at times he should be battling for solid defense rebounding position.
Ross, I still think he's going to be a special player, but it looks like the stage right now looks a tad too big for him. He's missing his 3s and doesn't seem to be as assertive attacking the basket. It will come, but he's further away than those who have seen his potential thought.
Stewart continues to look like a big game player. Hurley needs to continue to find him minutes and ways that maximize his abilities.
As noted above, coach up Mahaney in the Joey Cal mode for now, till he proves he deserves more PT than a few spot minutes. He continues to be a liability. Let's hope he figures it out and proves to his coaches that they made the right decision to bring him here.
In addition to taking 2 losses, they've squandered resume building opportunities by losing these first two games. I'm sure I'm speaking for everyone, but missing the opportunity to see them face a top 10 team is very disappointing.
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Read a few scouting reports. His game is being really fundamentally sound. He's not a mega athlete, not super explosive. Does a lot of things well, nice tall guard.
He’s also going to be playing against men next year, not high school kids. If I recall correctly you were overhyping current players against tomato cans. Close your eyes and imagine if he can do what he’s doing in that video against defenders 5 inches taller and 30lbs heavier.
Pretty sure we heard this same stuff about a kid from Bristol Central HS and everyone said he wouldn’t help out until his Jr year at best. How did that work out? Please stop with the negative thoughts on a kid who isn’t even here yet.
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Board seems very dramatic- two tough losses by 3 points & people are acting like this ain’t a tournament team. Think this team will be just fine & at this point will surprise most of you how much they accomplish. In Hurley we trust- members please take your own advice over the years & trust in the process/Hurley.
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Did you watch the Memphis game? Tarris Reed might have been the best player on the court.
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might be only time I agreed with him, but after reading this thread, Cooley isn't wrong
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In the end, it doesn't really matter what hate is generated against UConn except for how it may affect the refs. Dan does look like a psycho at times when Kimani has to restrain him. Late in the Colorado game it appeared that Dan wanted to get to the ref to fight. I love Dan but he needs to temper his behavior.
And currently, the team is not playing that beautiful basketball with numerous passes and cuts like they did last year. Far too much dribbling.
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Mid-season roster addition, eh.
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On Christmas Day I imagine!
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Who cares - its what happens when you come off repeat national championships in dominant fashion. It’s a good thing. The team should use it as extra motivation to right the ship and make them all these Uconn haters eat crow again. It’s just November.
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I'm not gonna repeat what's probably already been said 50 times already, but I just want to add the no-call when McNeeley got mugged where the CO player was blatantly grabbing his right arm as he tried to get the rebound was complete BS. If the refs call that, we probably win yesterday.
Then again, we should have played better so that 1 or 2 missed calls by the refs wouldn't have affected the outcome. Regardless, the last couple days have sucked (and now we play a very good Dayton team that took UNC and Iowa St to the wire). Totally possible we go 0-3 in Maui but I still believe this team can right itself in time for the tourney. But not gonna be a relative cakewalk like last season.
Also, silver lining: we are still undefeated in Big East play!
Then again, we should have played better so that 1 or 2 missed calls by the refs wouldn't have affected the outcome. Regardless, the last couple days have sucked (and now we play a very good Dayton team that took UNC and Iowa St to the wire). Totally possible we go 0-3 in Maui but I still believe this team can right itself in time for the tourney. But not gonna be a relative cakewalk like last season.
Also, silver lining: we are still undefeated in Big East play!
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I forgot any 3 is a good 3
Things i'd like to see but hey I'm old school.
1. Stay on your feet when defending. You leave your feet you are going to get nailed most of the time. concept of verticality is over rated.
2. Don't chase cutters over screens, our bigs are going to commit fouls all by themselves, expecting them to help constantly means they will be using up their fouls for sure. Take the cuts away - no face cuts, or just get over the top of the screens.
3. Keep the ball in front of you if you are guarding it. A lot of matador defense being played.
4. You have to make 3's but too much influence on it for me. You have to be able to get the ball to the rim. It's not that every official in the country hates us we just aren't putting enough offensive pressure on our opponents.
1. Stay on your feet when defending. You leave your feet you are going to get nailed most of the time. concept of verticality is over rated.
2. Don't chase cutters over screens, our bigs are going to commit fouls all by themselves, expecting them to help constantly means they will be using up their fouls for sure. Take the cuts away - no face cuts, or just get over the top of the screens.
3. Keep the ball in front of you if you are guarding it. A lot of matador defense being played.
4. You have to make 3's but too much influence on it for me. You have to be able to get the ball to the rim. It's not that every official in the country hates us we just aren't putting enough offensive pressure on our opponents.
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There was no play. Diarra got the inbound, didn’t even look at Karaban coming back to the ball, McNeeley half-heartedly cut to the hoop to open up space (no opening), so Diarra took a step back 3
It feels like the design was for Diarra to pitch it back to Karaban who would get a Stewart screen and attack the hoop with Solo in the corner. But it can’t be a broken play since nobody even tried to run a play
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Diarra is good at driving the ball. He should’ve 100% taken it to the rim and at least given himself a chance to get fouled. Or an easier to make pull up jumper.
There’s no way a very contested step back 3 down by 1 with that much time on the clock was the right play. No excuse for that. As a 6th year senior.
After the heroics from yesterday the play probably should’ve been Solo’s anyways.
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Yeah, if we need a last second shot, I'm giving Solo the ball. He's fearless.
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I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is sarcasm. If Hurley doesn’t win another NCAA game here he’s already earned his money.
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Steph Curry’s career 3 point percentage is 42.6%, and he is viewed as the top gunner in the game. These two teams shot over 50% for the GAME. I know that our defense has been weak. I know that our defense must improve going forward. But can it be that these two teams have shot their w—— against us? Memphis beat MSU but only shot 34.5% from 3. It is incredibly rare for a team to shoot over 50% from 3. We had two teams in back to back games. Let’s settle down, this is beginning to look like just plain old bad luck.
Also, it seems to me that this dilemma has an easy fix: first, don’t double the bigs. Stay with your man on the perimeter. We saw what happened against Purdue, right? If their center scores 30 on 20 shots, let him. That’s 20 2 point shots instead of 10 made 3’s. If we played that kind of “stay in your lane” defense I do not believe we lose against Memphis or Colorado. And second, replace Aidan with Nowell. It is obvious that Nowell cannot be exploited like Aidan.
I do not believe that this current situation is hard to fix. But it will require a game plan change because, as we all know, we don’t have DC down in the paint any more.
Also, it seems to me that this dilemma has an easy fix: first, don’t double the bigs. Stay with your man on the perimeter. We saw what happened against Purdue, right? If their center scores 30 on 20 shots, let him. That’s 20 2 point shots instead of 10 made 3’s. If we played that kind of “stay in your lane” defense I do not believe we lose against Memphis or Colorado. And second, replace Aidan with Nowell. It is obvious that Nowell cannot be exploited like Aidan.
I do not believe that this current situation is hard to fix. But it will require a game plan change because, as we all know, we don’t have DC down in the paint any more.
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Expecting Mahaney to be Spencer or anything close is a mistake.
Expecting Diarra to be Newton or anything close is a mistake.
Mahaney should get better based on his record. Diarra isn't going to get measurably better. I think at times he thinks he has to fill Newton's role. He doesn't. Hurely needs to adjust the offense so that he doesn't.
While Bilas has been talking up Diarra's defense like a blind date's personality. The words have consistently be paired with live action of him getting burned on the court.
Johnson seems a lost cause. Not sure he even knows what a foul is. Unlike some of the other calls, Johnson is definitely fouling at a ridiculous rate.
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While DC cleaned up any mess from poor defense by last year's guards, I think you're discounting the impact of Steph's defense compared to McNeeley. Steph could be counted on to shut down the best guard/wing on opposing teams and is looking like he'll be doing the same in the NBA for a long time.
When your best offensive player gets stopped repeatedly they become a non-entity and it frustrates the whole team. McNeeley hasn't shown (yet) that he'll be doing anything close to that. In his defense (pun intended), he's still adjusting to the speed and athleticism of the college game but Steph was a great defender from day one, with or without DC in the game.
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I think you’re discounting my specific mention of “at this juncture in the season”.
Steph was injured and not even playing at this time last year. He missed games vs Indiana, Texas, and Kansas. His first game back he had 3 points 1-3 fg and 4 rebounds in just 10 minutes.
I know what Steph brought to the table. He went on to be the #4 overall pick. Still, he didn’t, and didn’t need to have the impact 5-7 games into his freshman season that McNeeley has had to provide.
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