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Colorado Post Game Thread

JohnFSilver said:
Fouling is the issue. That is defense and moving feet. 28 free throws for Colorado and 51% shooting.

Hard to win when all you do is foul.
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You can't fix all at once but defense, rebounding and leadership are the biggest issues. Not sure what order, but when all four cupcakes drove at will against us that should have been a huge red flag for what was to come, so maybe it's defense. Planning to outscore everyone isn't a good plan at tournament time.

We could use some KEA level moxie so, if AN has it, a good start would be with him getting more time and, if Abraham is as good a defender as we've been told, maybe he gets more time and somebody else gets less time. Take our lumps now, play those that give the greatest upside for the long term and build for the tournament.
 
Colorado was a 10 seed last year, didn't they beat 7 seed Florida and go out to Marquette in a close one in round 2? Are they really that bad??
 
Palatine said:
Hate to say it but it is the truth. We needed Karaban today and he didn't show up.

Not saying, he isn't a great player. Hopefully this game is an outlier. But this is the type of game that a great player wins for you. Not today. If you want to be an all American, you win this game for your team.
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He is a great player, but is not a take over the game kind of a player. It is going to be difficult to find a combination of players on the squad who will allow Alex to be great. I don’t think it’s gonna be an overnight fix. The retool is a massive undertaking, greater than we all expected, and maybe staff too. Victims of excessive exuberance right now. After Maui, everyone is just going to have to accept who we are, and where we are and work from there rather than who we were and what we want to be.
 
Travelman6 said:
Colorado was a 10 seed last year, didn't they beat 7 seed Florida and go out to Marquette in a close one in round 2? Are they really that bad??
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all their best players either are in the NBA or entered the portal, brand new team
 
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Scrutineer said:
While DC cleaned up any mess from poor defense by last year's guards, I think you're discounting the impact of Steph's defense compared to McNeeley. Steph could be counted on to shut down the best guard/wing on opposing teams and is looking like he'll be doing the same in the NBA for a long time.

When your best offensive player gets stopped repeatedly they become a non-entity and it frustrates the whole team. McNeeley hasn't shown (yet) that he'll be doing anything close to that. In his defense (pun intended), he's still adjusting to the speed and athleticism of the college game but Steph was a great defender from day one, with or without DC in the game.
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Steph exactly as you described. Andre the lockdown 6-6 defender the year before. We may have the 6-6 (or 6-7) athlete on the bench with Abraham. Got to begin getting him minutes to put out some of these perimeter fires. If we can consistently shut down the other teams premier scorer or distributor we seem to have a lot of offensive firepower to pick up the slack and Abraham has shown he can score as well in the limited minutes he has played.
 
Have we talked about how much of a prayer that Colorado player's layup was yet? He didn't even look at the hoop, just tried to draw contact and it went in.
 
Palatine said:
Hate to say it but it is the truth. We needed Karaban today and he didn't show up.

Not saying, he isn't a great player. Hopefully this game is an outlier. But this is the type of game that a great player wins for you. Not today. If you want to be an all American, you win this game for your team.
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Almost like he’s the best stretch 4 in the country. But if you ask for him to be the 1A All American for your team it’s probably not going to lead to a championship caliber team like some have been saying.

Solo was always suppose to be the 1A guy. But we spent the offseason having him prove he should be a starter rather than preparing him to be that.
 
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Mike Honcho said:
Have we talked about how much of a prayer that Colorado player's layup was yet? He didn't even look at the hoop, just tried to draw contact and it went in.
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Everything that could’ve went against us did. Weird happenings. We will be fine.
 
Lambeau said:
For now, I'm thinking:
1-Diarra 20 Nowell 10 Mahaney 10
2-Ball 30 Ross 10
3-McNeeley 30 Stewart 10
4-Karaban 30 Stewart 10
5-Reed, Jr 30 Samson 10
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I don't know if you'll be right, but you get an A+ from me for spelling everyone's name right. :)
 
TheHorde said:
So does someone get punished for that? And maybe not start tomorrow? We shall see.
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These plays all have options. Diarra had an option to not handoff, drive the basket and he would have McNeeley or a lane to the rim. He didn’t make a good read and was stuck on perimeter. He should have handed it to Karaban.
 
connVA said:
I think Dan Hurley needs to seriously reconsider his approach of not calling fouls in practice to get the players acclimated to the BE. The logic makes sense in theory but this team doesn’t seem to understand what they can and can’t get away with out of conference.
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This.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
We don’t have anyone that can shake their man. Besides the fouling that’s our biggest issue, we are slow and finesse, but that rarely works.
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Not true. Nowell has a different gear. Liam can separate from his defenders, and so does HD and Stew. That they are not doing it is the mystery.
 
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upstater said:
There are players who will learn and get better.

There are others.

Also, I've seen Solo Ball drive plenty of times. It usually doesn't end well. This isn't the kids forte.

He's a mix of Rodney Purvis (driving) and Rashad Anderson (shooting), but he looks like he may eventually be a better defender than both of them.
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Hi hits like Mays and runs like Hayes!
 
AllHusky said:
He is a great player, but is not a take over the game kind of a player. It is going to be difficult to find a combination of players on the squad who will allow Alex to be great. I don’t think it’s gonna be an overnight fix. The retool is a massive undertaking, greater than we all expected, and maybe staff too. Victims of excessive exuberance right now. After Maui, everyone is just going to have to accept who we are, and where we are and work from there rather than who we were and what we want to be.
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Alex can't just beat a good defender one-on-one. He doesn't have speed, so he needs impeccable ball handling and some deception in his moves, ability to go both left and right, as well as ability to finish over/through contact. Still a work in progress in that regard. Still, he's a savant on the court with passing and understanding the offense. He's a solid outside shooter and rebounder and is proving to be a shot blocker at 6'9".

Kobe used to say he only had four moves. Alex needs at least two "go to" moves that can reliably get off a makeable shot or draw a foul. Pump fakes, jab steps, fallaways, etc.
 
It's ok, nothing a long walk on the beach can't fix !!
 

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Pmac923 said:
The start times, the gym, the refs, the travel. We’ve played 2 morning basketball games. I’m not saying we’ve played well but let’s not say the season is over because of games in Maui.
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buddy said:
Gonzaga will win by 30
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Horse crap
 
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superjohn said:
The highlights show over and over him doing all the things you say he doesn't do. Lolz
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He gets in the lane and is nasty once he’s there. Sniper outside.
Nowell + Thomas = Points
Can he defend?
 
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Positives
We shot well from deep and I thought we would win when we did.
We didn't turn the ball over a lot but had some hurtful live ball mistakes.
We ultimately assisted pretty well
We showed fight from a big late game deficit
Solo Ball tasted a big shot
Nowell got started
Reed game 1 was big
Stewart game 1 was big
Hurley responded on the fly to give Mahaney bench time
With all the negatives we could have won both games

Negatives
Our coach showed he hasn't mastered self control
Johnson & Mahaney are lost and Ross is just frantic right now
We have perfected fouling

General Points
Our 2 foul 'rule' needs to be player specific - Alex finished with 2, Diarra w/3, Stewart w/2, Ball 1
Don't pull guys for long stretches that can play with fouls , center on the other hand, is a foul problem,
I don't understand the long leash for Ross if Stewart is playing well
Still count me disappointed we didn't we didn't seek another 5 fouls in the post from a journeyman guy with bulk
In general, with a couple exceptions, I thought we earned most of the fouls they called
We could have used a game against a 200ish team pre Maui
 
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