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superjohn said:
Woj and every other person who claims to have sources has said it was a "consensual" relationship between Udoka and a female employee. I've repeated that and it's making you yelp.

You sound like a little kid who wants to make words mean whatever you want them to mean. Grow up.
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Yes and what I'm saying is that workplaces have rules for a reason about consensual relationships between subordinates, which is why the Celtics are looking into it.

Not a little kid here, just a grown man who's happy to try and improve the world and get rules created by people with your outdated mindset improved upon
 
navery12 said:
Yes and what I'm saying is that workplaces have rules for a reason about consensual relationships between subordinates, which is why the Celtics are looking into it.

Not a little kid here, just a grown man who's happy to try and improve the world and get rules created by people with your outdated mindset improved upon
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You should tweet Woj and every other reporter and lecture them on what consensual means.
 
superjohn said:
You should tweet Woj and every other reporter and lecture them on what consensual means.
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, this will be my last post to you. I'm not arguing the consensual part, that's not the part of the relationship that's causing an investigation by the Celtics/NBA
 
navery12 said:
, this will be my last post to you. I'm not arguing the consensual part, that's not the part of the relationship that's causing an investigation by the Celtics/NBA
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You have no idea what the Celtics/NBA are investigating and you just spent the past hour telling me I don't know what consensual means.
 
BGesus4 said:
Reasonable take. If I haven’t experienced it, it doesn’t exist.
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What? Navery told me I would know about power dynamics in the workplace if I paid attention to the news for the past 5 years. I said I have lived experience.

If it took the news in the last 5 years to inform anyone about this stuff they've been living under a rock or they're a little kid.
 
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superjohn said:
You should tweet Woj and every other reporter and lecture them on what consensual means.
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You’re using the word to mean that he didn’t force himself on someone. You’re missing the point, deliberately or otherwise. But it’s boring at this point so who cares.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
You’re using the word to mean that he didn’t force himself on someone. You’re missing the point, deliberately or otherwise. But it’s boring at this point so who cares.
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I was just repeating the consensual relationship with a female Celtics employee I read/heard from Woj and others.

I said if he forced himself on her or threatened her employment in any way it's obviously not consensual.

It wouldn't be reported by Woj and others that way if he was using his power over her. It doesn't make it nonconsensual if he has a higher position/salary than she does in the organization no matter how badly some people want that to be the case. Same goes for if she has a higher position/salary than he does in the organization.
 
superjohn said:
I was just repeating the consensual relationship with a female Celtics employee I read/heard from Woj and others.

I said if he forced himself on her or threatened her employment in any way it's obviously not consensual.

It wouldn't be reported by Woj and others that way if he was using his power over her. It doesn't make it nonconsensual if he has a higher position/salary than she does in the organization no matter how badly some people want that to be the case. Same goes for if she has a higher position/salary than he does in the organization.
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Even if he didn't force himself, didn't threaten her employment, and it was considered consensual...

The Celtics, and many large corporate entities could have ruled against the relationship between a superior and a subordinate to protect themselves from the possibility that in any point in time the subordinate may consider it nonconsensual, or that they had to engage in the relationship... because of the power dynamic between the two parties.

You repeating the consensual part based on a tweet and ignoring everything else that goes into it is absurd. And it's been explain to you about 5 times now why.
 
bigknight3 said:
Even if he didn't force himself, didn't threaten her employment, and it was considered consensual...

The Celtics, and many large corporate entities could have ruled against the relationship between a superior and a subordinate to protect themselves from the possibility that in any point in time the subordinate may consider it nonconsensual, or that they had to engage in the relationship... because of the power dynamic between the two parties.

You repeating the consensual part based on a tweet and ignoring everything else that goes into it is absurd. And it's been explain to you about 5 times now why.
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I'm aware of that and think it's wrong which I've said over and over and why I think we're a nation of Toby Flendersons. HR has done such a number on us that people don't even know what consensual means anymore.

You get rid of terrible behavior but telling people they can't develop feelings for/have relationships with the people they spend most of their awake hours with during the week is crazy. Business shouldn't have this kind of moralizing and social politics role.
 
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superjohn said:
You added a lot.
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I just checked in on 3 pages of people explaining to you certain things, and you've taken your enlightened stance and dug deeeeep.

What did you need me to add?
 
Mr. French said:
I just checked in on 3 pages of people explaining to you certain things, and you've taken your enlightened stance and dug deeeeep.

What did you need me to add?
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You have something to say then say it.

Maybe start by expalining why banishing relationships which develop in the workplace is enlightened.
 
Didn't make much sense to me why a consensual relationship would warrant a one year suspension, but this makes more sense now. This dude needs to go to jail. Bonk!

 
superjohn said:
You have no idea what the Celtics/NBA are investigating and you just spent the past hour telling me I don't know what consensual means.
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If you know, tell us. Also, while you are at it, what/who the heck is Toby?
 
aburks41 said:
Didn't make much sense to me why a consensual relationship would warrant a one year suspension, but this makes more sense now. This dude needs to go to jail. Bonk!

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A year suspension is pretty harsh so there has to be more to this story than we currently don't know. Plus why did the Celtics know about this in July and now 2 months later they're suspending him? More details to come.

nesn.com

This Reported Detail Helps Explain Celtics' Ime Udoka Suspension

We still don't know much about the Ime Udoka story, but a new detail could help explain why the Celtics suspended him for an entire season.
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The Athletic is rumored (I don't have a subscription, so I an going on what they are saying on WEEI) to be reporting that while the relationship may have been consensual at one time (Allegedly, both parties admitted to the consensual nature of the relationship in July), Udoka may have began acting inappropriately, whether comments or actions, and had since created a hostile work environment.

This makes more sense, as opposed to hanging one's hat solely on a supervisor/subordinate relationship. Udoka is in basketball operations. His reports are the coaches and players. Tangentially, a case can be made for the training staff and other on-court personnel (i.e. "ballboys/girls"), but say the woman is in marketing? Absent the alleged HWE, HR should not be involved.
 
So it is being leaked there are two women and one is the bosses wife. so there's that-but there was another who turned him down and complained. IF this is true...kind of explains a lot.
 
Madmannsucks said:
So it is being leaked there are two women and one is the bosses wife. so there's that-but there was another who turned him down and complained. IF this is true...kind of explains a lot.
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What boss? One of the owners or Brad Stevens?
 
Husky25 said:
The Athletic is rumored (I don't have a subscription, so I an going on what they are saying on WEEI) to be reporting that while the relationship may have been consensual at one time (Allegedly, both parties admitted to the consensual nature of the relationship in July), Udoka may have began acting inappropriately, whether comments or actions, and had since created a hostile work environment.

This makes more sense, as opposed to hanging one's hat solely on a supervisor/subordinate relationship. Udoka is in basketball operations. His reports are the coaches and players. Tangentially, a case can be made for the training staff and other on-court personnel (i.e. "ballboys/girls"), but say the woman is in marketing? Absent the alleged HWE, HR should not be involved.
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This is what it sounds like to me as well and that obviously wouldn't be consensual as was reported all day yesterday. It sounds like he had a consensual relationship with a staffer, Celtics brass found out about it in July and warned them to stop. The woman stopped and Udoka kept making unwanted advances, sexually harassing her and she went to Celtics brass to complain about it/they knew what Udoka was doing and told him he's done.
 
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superjohn said:
This is what it sounds like to me as well and that obviously wouldn't be consensual as was reported all day yesterday. It sounds like he had a consensual relationship with a staffer, Celtics brass found out about it in July and warned them to stop. The woman stopped and Udoka kept making unwanted advances, sexually harassing her and she went to Celtics brass to complain about it/they knew what Udoka was doing and told him he's done.
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I think a big part of this is also that the Celtics never viewed it as "consensual" since the woman presumably fell under Udoka's management tree. If she was in marketing or some unrelated department, they wouldn't care (until the relationship ended and turned into unwanted advances)
 
aburks41 said:
I think a big part of this is also that the Celtics never viewed it as "consensual" since the woman presumably fell under Udoka's management tree. If she was in marketing or some unrelated department, they wouldn't care (until the relationship ended and turned into unwanted advances)
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Time for the C's press conference...

I am having trouble presuming this without specific knowledge. If the supervisor/subordinate relationship is at play here, it is only one minor aspect. Regardless, It is moot if Udoka created a hostile work environment.
 
superjohn said:
If you would like to join the discussion instead of being Mr. Passive-aggressive then feel free.

I do like the "my bad" expression though. God bless Manute Bol.
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You need ANOTHER person to explain how foolish you've been? Okay.

Let's ignore the fact you refuse to accept that under certain circumstances consent may not matter. You acknowledged the fact that we all have limited details/knowledge about the situation, but still decided you know enough to make broad generalizations about the nation and HR professionals everywhere.

It was a bad take yesterday. It's only even more embarrassing today.

Is that direct enough for you?
 
superjohn said:
Yes, I respect people who engage instead of doing gutless drive-bys.
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I respect people who admit they were wrong. Looks like we're both going to be disappointed today.
superjohn said:
You work in HR?
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No. You unable to admit a mistake?

Is that why you didn't respond to the points you asked for?

This is why you aren't worth responding to on this particular subject.
 
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