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navery12 said:
Well I think that's part of the issue is that if they didn't disclose it to the team (for obvious reasons, namely Nia Long exists). If you met your soulmate at work then you just disclose that to HR and all is well and good. If the reports are true, Ime didn't disclose it to the team. That's the issue and why he's in hot water now
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It was commonplace not more than 20 years ago for staff to hook up after any given Friday Night happy hour. Public accounting was an extension of our college years, except that we worked 6 days/week and dozens of hours of OT in close quarters/proximity for 10+ hours/day during busy season. They heard about intraoffice relationships through the grapevine anyway, but the only reason HR really wanted to know, was for scheduling purposes and to keep the interested parties on different clients, especially if there was a difference in level.

IIRC, what was absolutely frowned upon and grounds for firing is an unreported intimate staff relationship with client personnel. It's an firm independence issue.

This should be a non-story and dealt with internally.
 
Scoe said:
This was simply the Celtics protecting their own brand, fair or unfair that’s the bottom line protecting your own brand, handling it before it became breaking news during the season.
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Not for nothing, but the Celtic brought this upon themselves.
 
August_West said:
And it's stupid.

America was largely populated by bosses marrying secretaries and Doctors marrying nurses. I'm all for sensitivity in regards to harassment in the workplace but now even if you met your soulmate in the workplace it's off limits? Seems pendulum has swung too far. In every company in America. Consensual is consensual.
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Mmhmm mmhmm all them secretaries in early corporate America who didn’t suffer at all from being in the wrong end of power dynamics. You make a salient point
 
It's wild to me that people read a few Tweets and came to the conclusion that the Celtics suspended this dude for a year simply because he slept with a subordinate.

I'd say it's wild for people to be talking about what's excessive without knowing a single damn thing about this but I guess that's just how people are.
 
krinklecut said:
Mmhmm mmhmm all them secretaries in early corporate America who didn’t suffer at all from being in the wrong end of power dynamics. You make a salient point
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What does that have to do with two adults having a consensual relationship with each other?
 
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nomar said:
It's wild to me that people read a few Tweets and came to the conclusion that the Celtics suspended this dude for a year simply because he slept with a subordinate.

I'd say it's wild for people to be talking about what's excessive without knowing a single damn thing about this but I guess that's just how people are.
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People are commenting on what's been reported, that it was a consensual relationship with a coworker.
 
superjohn said:
People are commenting on what's been reported, that it was a consensual relationship with a coworker.
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Right, and that's a pretty stupid thing to do, given the penalty. I thought I made that clear.
 
Griffman said:
But it's ok for Jim and Pam? Michael and Jan? Michael and Holly? Dwight and Angela?
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Andy made a go of it with Erin, but she was so far out of his league. Not sure it would be possible to resist Pam.
 
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superjohn said:
What does that have to do with two adults having a consensual relationship with each other?
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What does August’s original point of the pst relationships of Secretaries and Bosses that you agreed with have anything to do with this situation?
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Do you know who the other "consenting" adult was?
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There's rumors on Twitter but all I've read from Woj and others who have sources is that it was a consensual relationship with a female Celtics employee.

Rumors on Twitter seem to be bosses wife (an employee) and maybe another Celtics employee.
 
superjohn said:
There's rumors on Twitter but all I've read from Woj and others who have sources is that it was a consensual relationship with a female Celtics employee.

Rumors on Twitter seem to be bosses wife (an employee) and maybe another Celtics employee.
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I'm asking because you keep tripling and quadrupling down on this "consensual" thing. I'm sure you know this, but many, many organizations have rules prohibiting relationships between superiors and subordinates, because the power dynamic calls into question the entire nature of "consent" in the first place. That seems to be the dot that other people feel you're not connecting.

I am not expressing any opinion on this and I have no idea who the person is - it could be Brian Scalabrine for all I know- but that seems to be the issue other people are expressing.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
What does August’s original point of the pst relationships of Secretaries and Bosses that you agreed with have anything to do with this situation?
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With the Udoka situation? I don't know and never said that what he posted had to do directly with the Udoka situation. I have no idea if he fell in love with a coworker and they are planning to marry each other. I have no idea other than what's been reported that Udoka had a consensual relationship with a female who works for the Celtics.

I liked his comment because I've known a lot of people over the years who have married their coworkers and office relationships seem to be frowned upon and even grounds for termination now especially if it's a man who has a more prominent/higher salaried position than the woman he is in a consensual relationship with.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
I'm asking because you keep tripling and quadrupling down on this "consensual" thing. I'm sure you know this, but many, many organizations have rules prohibiting relationships between superiors and subordinates, because the power dynamic calls into question the entire nature of "consent" in the first place. That seems to be the dot that other people feel you're not connecting.

I am not expressing any opinion on this and I have no idea who the person is - it could be Brian Scalabrine for all I know- but that seems to be the issue other people are expressing.
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I think that's wrong and why I commented that we're now a nation of Tobys.

Every single report I've seen on this says it was a consensual relationship between Udoka and a female Celtics employee. That's why I keep saying it.
 
superjohn said:
I think that's wrong and why I commented that we're now a nation of Tobys.

Every single report I've seen on this says it was a consensual relationship between Udoka and a female Celtics employee. That's why I keep saying it.
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But the point that you're missing is that the whole area of consent you keep referencing is not as black and white as you claim. If you've paid any attention to the news the last 5 years you should be familiar with how the power dynamic at work affects consent in some situations
 
superjohn said:
I think that's wrong and why I commented that we're now a nation of Tobys.

Every single report I've seen on this says it was a consensual relationship between Udoka and a female Celtics employee. That's why I keep saying it.
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I don't know who Toby is so I don't get the reference.

Now you're just quintupling down on it so I can see it was a waste of time to respond in the first place.
 
Regardless of opinion of whether or not the rules should be in place, not understanding the logic of why those rules exist is befuddling. I would assume the vast vast majority of office relationships are not registering on the list of reasons why these rules exist, but also ppl coerce others into sex all the time based on using their position of power—which is obviously why these rules exist.

Now whether that has any relevance here, no one on this board knows.

Based on what is known, imho a year suspension is outrageous.
 
If the woman is who most people think it is, I feel like her role is not really a subordinate, direct or indirect report to the head coach. This is really crazy.
 
navery12 said:
But the point that you're missing is that the whole area of consent you keep referencing is not as black and white as you claim. If you've paid any attention to the news the last 5 years you should be familiar with how the power dynamic at work affects consent in some situations
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I don't need the news, there's this little thing called lived experience. I know what consent is and don't need some HR weirdo to give their definition of what consent is.

Again, we don't know yet what the Udoka situation is and can only go off the limited details that Woj and others have reported. Woj and every other report I've seen says it was a consensual relationship between Udoka and a female coworker. I think employees should be allowed to have relationships with each other whether they are a man who is higher salaried with a lower salaried woman, higher salaried woman with a lower salaried man and everything in between.

If Udoka was forcing himself on the coworker or threatening her employment obviously he needs to be terminated and that obviously wouldn't be consensual.
 
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Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
If the woman is who most people think it is, I feel like her role is not really a subordinate, direct or indirect report to the head coach. This is really crazy.
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I don’t know who you mean but there was confirmation that it is not the VP Allison Feaster. She was the main person speculated early on. So we really do not know.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
I don't know who Toby is so I don't get the reference.

Now you're just quintupling down on it so I can see it was a waste of time to respond in the first place.
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Quintupling down on what?

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superjohn said:
Quintupling down on what?

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Quintupling down on your complete lack of understanding of consent. And now we're well past that with your additional replies.

I hesitate to even continue to engage with someone who's just so clearly out of touch, but I can't help myself. Nobody is saying whether the Udoka situation is definitively one where there was no consent, forced consent, or actual consent. Just that taking 2 people being in a consensual relationship where power dynamics are at play at face value isn't always accurate. And head coach of an NBA team is certainly one with the potential for a power dynamic

It's one thing to say it shouldn't apply to Udoka, which again is tough to say when nobody knows the facts. But you're just so caught up in your old man, things were better back in my day spiel that you're just completely out of touch with reality here
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
I'm asking because you keep tripling and quadrupling down on this "consensual" thing. I'm sure you know this, but many, many organizations have rules prohibiting relationships between superiors and subordinates, because the power dynamic calls into question the entire nature of "consent" in the first place. That seems to be the dot that other people feel you're not connecting.

I am not expressing any opinion on this and I have no idea who the person is - it could be Brian Scalabrine for all I know- but that seems to be the issue other people are expressing.
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Brian Scalabrine is female? I'll let his wife know. :)

Yeah I don't know why some on here keep fixating on the consensual part of this. It has nothing to do with any of this. The Celtics have a workplace policy. Udoka reportedly violated that policy. Therefore he will be given some penalty based on the Celtics' policy and guidelines. Just like if any other Celtics employee did the same. What's the point of having rules if there are no repercussions for breaking them?

You could argue whether that workplace policy is appropriate, but that's an entirely different issue.
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
If the woman is who most people think it is, I feel like her role is not really a subordinate, direct or indirect report to the head coach. This is really crazy.
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Who is the woman who most people think it is?
 
navery12 said:
Quintupling down on your complete lack of understanding of consent. And now we're well past that with your additional replies.

I hesitate to even continue to engage with someone who's just so clearly out of touch, but I can't help myself. Nobody is saying whether the Udoka situation is definitively one where there was no consent, forced consent, or actual consent. Just that taking 2 people being in a consensual relationship where power dynamics are at play at face value isn't always accurate. And head coach of an NBA team is certainly one with the potential for a power dynamic

It's one thing to say it shouldn't apply to Udoka, which again is tough to say when nobody knows the facts. But you're just so caught up in your old man, things were better back in my day spiel that you're just completely out of touch with reality here
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Woj and every other person who claims to have sources has said it was a "consensual" relationship between Udoka and a female employee. I've repeated that and it's making you yelp.

You sound like a little kid who wants to make words mean whatever you want them to mean. Grow up.
 
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