Can we sneak into a bye in BET?

[HuskyHawk]

I’ll ask again. Who are they going to lose to?

Forget their 14-8 record. They are 14-5 with Kalkbrenner in the lineup. They’ve beaten Xavier, Providence, and Arkansas when they were healthy and ranked in the top 10. They are undefeated at home. So why would I expect us to win the game in Omaha?

I see losses @PC, @ St. Johns and to Marquette at home. I also think UConn is a 50-50 game in Omaha. They have no depth. Villanova is going to give them a tough game tomorrow, even if they win.

 

[Billy Jack]

I see losses @PC, @ St. Johns and to Marquette at home. I also think UConn is a 50-50 game in Omaha. They have no depth. Villanova is going to give them a tough game tomorrow, even if they win.

Thanks for the reply.

I guess we just disagree on how good Creighton is. No depth? No doubt that their starters get the lion’s share of the minutes, but their rotation goes 7-8 deep. King is a capable backup behind Kalkbrenner. He went for 16 points, 10 rebounds, 3 blocks vs Marquette when Kalkbrenner was out, for example. Together, he and Kalbrenner average 20 points, 10 rebounds, 3.5 blocks, 70% FG%, making their inside game devastating with little to no drop off when Kalkbrenner goes out. Miller is a 6-8 freshman who was a top 75 recruit. He’s the son of former NBA star Mike Miller and plays a lot like his father. He comes off the bench to give them a 3-point threat, hitting 39% of his 3’s. Farabello is a senior who plays 16 mpg and gives them experience off the bench. He’s a career 38% 3-point shooter and 78% FT%. I wouldn’t call that no depth.

Here’s my take on the games you mentioned:

• Creighton over Nova by 13 unless Moore has a coming out party.
• Creighton over UConn by 6
• @ Providence 50-50 pick ‘em
• Creighton wins @ St. John’s by 4
• Creighton over Marquette by 5

I’ll give Nova a better shit at them when they get them at home later this month. Moore will probably have hit his stride by that time and with home court advantage, Villanova has a good shot at winning that game.

 

[auror]

Thanks for the reply.

I guess we just disagree on how good Creighton is. No depth? No doubt that their starters get the lion’s share of the minutes, but their rotation goes 7-8 deep. King is a capable backup behind Kalkbrenner. He went for 16 points, 10 rebounds, 3 blocks vs Marquette when Kalkbrenner was out, for example. Together, he and Kalbrenner average 20 points, 10 rebounds, 3.5 blocks, 70% FG%, making their inside game devastating with little to no drop off when Kalkbrenner goes out.

Then why did they lose 5 straight when Kalkbrenner got mono?

 

[ClifSpliffy]

Thanks for the reply.

I guess we just disagree on how good Creighton is. No depth? No doubt that their starters get the lion’s share of the minutes, but their rotation goes 7-8 deep. King is a capable backup behind Kalkbrenner. He went for 16 points, 10 rebounds, 3 blocks vs Marquette when Kalkbrenner was out, for example. Together, he and Kalbrenner average 20 points, 10 rebounds, 3.5 blocks, 70% FG%, making their inside game devastating with little to no drop off when Kalkbrenner goes out. Miller is a 6-8 freshman who was a top 75 recruit. He’s the son of former NBA star Mike Miller and plays a lot like his father. He comes off the bench to give them a 3-point threat, hitting 39% of his 3’s. Farabello is a senior who plays 16 mpg and gives them experience off the bench. He’s a career 38% 3-point shooter and 78% FT%. I wouldn’t call that no depth.

Here’s my take on the games you mentioned:

• Creighton over Nova by 13 unless Moore has a coming out party.
• Creighton over UConn by 6
• @ Providence 50-50 pick ‘em
• Creighton wins @ St. John’s by 4
• Creighton over Marquette by 5

I’ll give Nova a better at them when they get them at home later this month. Moore will probably have hit his stride by that time and with home court advantage, Villanova has a good shot at winning that game.

miller is mikey miller's son? didn't know that. that guy was great.
Mike Miller was resistant to the idea at first (becoming an agent). He had already finished off a 17-year NBA career, won two rings and earned plenty of spoils. When he became a college assistant coach after he retired, he became pretty good at that too; Miller was considered one of the best recruiters in the country when he left his job at the University of Memphis in June 2020.
he repped paolo, the #1 pick in the draft last year.

uh, oh. logic would say to watch out for miller jr. the odds are high. very high for his prospects.

 

[Billy Jack]

Then why did they lose 5 straight when Kalkbrenner got mono?

First of all, they lost 3 games with Kalkbrenner out of the lineup, not 5.

Why did Providence barely squeak by St. John’s at home and then lose back to back games with Jared Bynum out of the lineup?

Why did Villanova slip so badly this year with Justin Moore out of their lineup?

Take any key player out of a lineup, and that team will feel the effects. It not only puts a lesser player into the starting lineup but it also shortens the bench. In Creighton’s case, they didn’t just lose a key player, they lost their best player. But why am I telling you this? You already know it, so why did you ask the question?

 

[auror]

First of all, they lost 3 games with Kalkbrenner out of the lineup, not 5.

Why did Providence barely squeak by St. John’s at home and then lose back to back games with Jared Bynum out of the lineup?

Why did Villanova slip so badly this year with Justin Moore out of their lineup?

Take any key player out of a lineup, and that team will feel the effects. It not only puts a lesser player into the starting lineup but it also shortens the bench. In Creighton’s case, they didn’t just lose a key player, they lost their best player. But why am I telling you this? You already know it, so why did you ask the question?

He had mono before he actually missed games, which led to other losses.

Because you said they had "little to no drop off when Kalkbrenner goes out." Which you seem to now be disagreeing with.

 

[Kolumbo]

It will take a week for the coroner to pry the smile off my face though.

oo rich for my blood. Gotta respect the place though, $144 for a King Cut Prime Rib, and it serves a Vesper Martini. Sweet.

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[Billy Jack]

He had mono before he actually missed games, which led to other losses.

Because you said they had "little to no drop off when Kalkbrenner goes out." Which you seem to now be disagreeing with.

Let’s not play word games. I was talking about when he goes out for a break DURING a game in which he’s playing, which I thought was clear from the context in which I showed what their combined stats are when they play together.

As for mono, I’ve read that the original thought that he had mono was incorrect. If it was mono, that was the shortest case of mono I’ve ever seen.

As for your claim that his illness caused losses before he actually missed games, he played 30+ minutes in each of the 2 games before he sat out and had double-doubles in both games. So, how exactly was he effected and how was his condition responsible for the losses?

 

[auror]

Let’s not play word games. I was talking about when he goes out for a break DURING a game in which he’s playing, which I thought was clear from the context in which I showed what their combined stats are when they play together.

Literally the line before is "King is a capable backup behind Kalkbrenner. He went for 16 points, 10 rebounds, 3 blocks vs Marquette when Kalkbrenner was out, for example." The context was all encompassing.

Either way, you're just wrong. There is a massive dropoff without Kalkbrenner, even when he is playing in the game. King is raw, especially on the defensive end. He blocks some shots, but he misses assignments, is out of position, gambles for blocks, fouls more, etc.

During Big East play post Kalkbrenner return (so when they were playing together), the defense is 16 points per 100 pos worse with King in the game. That's an absolutely massive dropoff, and not at all consistent with "little to no dropoff". It's the difference between a top 5 defense in the country and an average defense. Not to mention 9 points per 100 better on offense.

 

[Billy Jack]

Literally the line before is "King is a capable backup behind Kalkbrenner. He went for 16 points, 10 rebounds, 3 blocks vs Marquette when Kalkbrenner was out, for example." The context was all encompassing.

Either way, you're just wrong. There is a massive dropoff without Kalkbrenner, even when he is playing in the game. King is raw, especially on the defensive end. He blocks some shots, but he misses assignments, is out of position, gambles for blocks, fouls more, etc.

During Big East play post Kalkbrenner return (so when they were playing together), the defense is 16 points per 100 pos worse with King in the game. That's an absolutely massive dropoff, and not at all consistent with "little to no dropoff". It's the difference between a top 5 defense in the country and an average defense. Not to mention 9 points per 100 better on offense.

Okay. No problem with what you’re posting. “No drpoff” was wrong. Still, I think he’s a capable backup - at least as backups go. And with Kalkbrenner in the lineup, they actually have a decent bench. And after all, what we’re talking about going forward is a healthy Kalkbrenner with King as his backup.

But really you’ve just strengthened my contention that Creighton is a lot better team than their 14-8 record makes them look. If we attribute the 3 losses before Kalkbrenner went out also to mono, then they are 14-2 with a healthy Kalkbrenner in the rotation and their only 2 losses are to 2 ranked teams on the road.

 

[1999GoodSon]

I hope this carting around of cardboard trophies and motivational quotes ends this season. These guys know what's important

And it reeks of Bob Diaco

 

[wheelerdog]

And it reeks of Bob Diaco

I hate to agree, but I agree

 

[MU in MKE]

The answer to this whole thread is pretty clear and is summed up by the chart in the below tweet. UConn is in good position to take at least the 5th spot because they have the most games yet to play against the bottom half of the conference.

 

[1999GoodSon]

I hate to agree, but I agree

And I hated to even say it

 

[August_West]

Okay. No problem with what you’re posting. “No drpoff” was wrong. Still, I think he’s a capable backup - at least as backups go. And with Kalkbrenner in the lineup, they actually have a decent bench. And after all, what we’re talking about going forward is a healthy Kalkbrenner with King as his backup.

But really you’ve just strengthened my contention that Creighton is a lot better team than their 14-8 record makes them look. If we attribute the 3 losses before Kalkbrenner went out also to mono, then they are 14-2 with a healthy Kalkbrenner in the rotation and their only 2 losses are to 2 ranked teams on the road.

 

[Billy Jack]

The answer to this whole thread is pretty clear and is summed up by the chart in the below tweet. UConn is in good position to take at least the 5th spot because they have the most games yet to play against the bottom half of the conference.

Yes, I think there’s little doubt that we will get the 5th spot. Frankly that’s as good as finishing 4th because the team gets a bye either way and they play the same opponent whether they finish 4th or 5th.

 

[Billy Jack]

I just watched that Seinfeld episode the other day! Too funny.

 

[August_West]

I just watched that Seinfeld episode the other day! Too funny.

 

[August_West]

Yes, I think there’s little doubt that we will get the 5th spot. Frankly that’s as good as finishing 4th because the team gets a bye either way and they play the same opponent whether they finish 4th or 5th.

Yes. People talking "ooh we can get the 4" why? whats the difference between that and a 5? Do they want to hang a top 4 BE regular season banner in their moms basement?

 

[Get a Job]

The answer to this whole thread is pretty clear and is summed up by the chart in the below tweet. UConn is in good position to take at least the 5th spot because they have the most games yet to play against the bottom half of the conference.

Doesn't this information show the opposite of what I bolded? It definitely shows that UConn has the fewest Q3 and Q4 games remaining of the top 6 teams.

 

[HitDog]

Yes. People talking "ooh we can get the 4" why? whats the difference between that and a 5? Do they want to hang a top 4 BE regular season banner in their moms basement?

I do think we look better in the whites so I'd rather be the 4

 

[HuskyHawk]

The answer to this whole thread is pretty clear and is summed up by the chart in the below tweet. UConn is in good position to take at least the 5th spot because they have the most games yet to play against the bottom half of the conference.

And As I've been saying, Creighton has the opposite scenario. Most tough games left. Seton Hall has a very tough road as well.

 

[August_West]

I do think we look better in the whites so I'd rather be the 4

Ill accept that answer.

But I do like road blues with Connecticut across the front.

 

[CTBasketball]

Yes. People talking "ooh we can get the 4" why? whats the difference between that and a 5? Do they want to hang a top 4 BE regular season banner in their moms basement?

I think we can sneak into the 4/5 game, Seton Hall’s schedule is a gauntlet the rest of the way. We just need to care of business vs. them and others.

As for dinner reservations, I can get us into Dorsia. Say 8pm Thursday? Sounds great. Perfect. See you then.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I do think we look better in the whites so I'd rather be the 4

Perhaps, but bottom line, the games will be played in the Garden, we are the home team regardless of seed.

 

[wheelerdog]

We still have a very narrow path to the 3 seed. But it requires going 14-6, so.....

 

[navery12]

No major changes to UConn's odds, still most likely to end up a 5

 

[Mike Honcho]

I'm planning to fly in from the west coast on Wednesday and won't be in Manhattan until 5ish likely. The tickets for the first round are sold as 1 correct? Meaning, there aren't individual tickets sold for each of the three games.

Do these sell out? If UConn falls to that 6th spot and plays at 8pm, would I be able to scoop up a ticket last minute pretty easily? Thanks in advance.

 

[Billy Jack]

And As I've been saying, Creighton has the opposite scenario. Most tough games left. Seton Hall has a very tough road as well.

Creighton has 8 league games left, 4 at home and 4 away. The only BE opponents they don’t play in their remaining games are one tough game vs Xavier and one easy game vs Butler. They finish the season vs Georgetown & DePaul.


I don’t see what makes this schedule any more difficult than anyone else’s in the BE.

 

[August_West]

I'm planning to fly in from the west coast on Wednesday and won't be in Manhattan until 5ish likely. The tickets for the first round are sold as 1 correct? Meaning, there aren't individual tickets sold for each of the three games.

Do these sell out? If UConn falls to that 6th spot and plays at 8pm, would I be able to scoop up a ticket last minute pretty easily? Thanks in advance.

Yeah I would imagine the night session will not be horribly hard to get on day 1