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Can Geno teach the motion offense to KO?

So, before I take a bunch of flak for this, just know I'm actually not a huge UCWBB fan. I love all things UConn, but MBB is head and shoulders above the rest. And this is all speculative based on KO leaving.

Would Geno ever consider making the move to men's basketball? Honestly, what else does the guy have left to accomplish in the women's game? He's untouchable in wins, championships, you name it. Why not try the men's game and see how your coaching translates?

Can Geno coach? That's obvious... I don't see that changing all that much in the men's game.

Could Geno recruit for mbb? I think he'd get his fair share of recruits once he proved himself. He's got a winning pedigree and demands excellence. He's got a bit of a cockiness too which I think would do him well on the trail.

We know he can do all those other things that come with managing a big time program, etc.

I have no idea if Geno would even want to try his hand in the men's game... but if he does, there'd be no better time than now. Daily could slide right into HC of WBB with Ralph becoming assistant.

Geno has already cemented himself with the all-time greats. If he failed in the men's game, I don't think it would tarnish his legacy. But if he succeeds, he'd really elevate himself even more for his coaching diversity. He has everything to gain and really not much to lose.

Thoughts?
 
If it was ten years ago I’d be more likely to say yes. He’s gotta be over 60, no? No doubt he’s a hell of a coach, but so much of the job is the network you build over time on the trail. It would be a big adjustment at his age.
 
I know posters get ripped here for suggesting it... but I'd like a serious discussion on why he wouldn't be a good/bad fit or why his coaching would/wouldn't translate.
 
because if it doesn't work out, geno will get ripped apart.
 
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UChusky916 said:
I know posters get ripped here for suggesting it... but I'd like a serious discussion on why he wouldn't be a good/bad fit or why his coaching would/wouldn't translate.
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Men are fully capable of playing the way the women’s teams play. Golden state plays that way. Plenty of men’s coaches have asked Geno for offensive help.

However, the men’s team has never recruited players that fit Geno’s style of play. Uconn (me ) has always preferences athleticism. Geno needs shooters and passers. There are teams in the past that could have run Geno’s system (our last championship team, our final four team), but this one definitely couldn’t. It just doesn’t have the skills needed.
 
I agree that this isn't about coaching X's and O's. People say Geno gets all the best players. That's not quite true. Geno gets the most talented players that are also willing to put the team first, instead of personal accomplishments. Geno recruits McDonald's AA's that are willing to defend, rebound, set screens for 40 minutes while knowing they will never see the rock until their junior year except on a rebound or steal. In Div 1 men's basketball, no such animal exists. Geno coaches a different game. Take pride in the women's team success, and accept that it doesn't translate to the men's side.
 
No doubt in my mind that if Geno could get buy-in, he would be successful. Easier said than done, I know.
 
Danzz said:
The two games are practically different sports. .
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I never understood this belief. I think its the exact same sport just played by women and everything Geno teaches would be 100% transferable to the men's game. In fact the increased passing in today's men's game makes me think some men's coaches went to school on what Geno was doing. Geno was ahead of the curve.

Nobody says women's tennis, golf, or hockey are different sports.
 
UChusky916 said:
I know posters get ripped here for suggesting it... but I'd like a serious discussion on why he wouldn't be a good/bad fit or why his coaching would/wouldn't translate.
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That offense works because the defenders aren’t athletic enough to stop it. They’re not quick enough to recover and get back in position. They don’t jump well enough to block shots or divert shots at the rim. That offense works for women and for old white guys playing pickup at the Y. If it would be effective, men’s teams would run it.
 
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What Geno excels at is setting expectations, recruiting tough players, getting his team to live up to them, while developing players over the course of their career. These are all things KO gas failed miserably at.

That said, this would be a ludicrous idea.
 
Deepster said:
That offense works because the defenders aren’t athletic enough to stop it. They’re not quick enough to recover and get back in position. They don’t jump well enough to block shots or divert shots at the rim. That offense works for women and for old white guys playing pickup at the Y. If it would be effective, men’s teams would run it.
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Dumb and stupid.
 
Greathusky said:
But that is the point.

We are more talented and skilled compared to Monmouth and Columbia yet our stagnant offense negates that advantage.
My last sentence about "playing like girls" was sarcasm but I feel that Geno's offensive flows and sets would work well with the men.

Disclaimer: I have seen threads about the women beating the men which is nonsense but have not seen this topic discussed lately.
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Do you really think that a 13 year NBA veteran isn't familiar with a motion offense?
 
Deepster said:
That offense works because the defenders aren’t athletic enough to stop it. They’re not quick enough to recover and get back in position. They don’t jump well enough to block shots or divert shots at the rim. That offense works for women and for old white guys playing pickup at the Y. If it would be effective, men’s teams would run it.
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This is just wrong. This argument always has been. Have you watched the Spurs? How about the Lakers or Bulls under Jackson?

Your argument would be valid if we were saying that our women's team could execute their offense against a men's college team. But the athletic male defenders, in the men's game, are defending equally athletic offensive players. Therefore, your argument is invalid. Good basketball is good basketball. Do it right and it is good.
 
metsfan2323 said:
Dumb and stupid.
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Try Spot on. This is just ridiculous stuff if anyone believes that O can work for the men. Revisions of it for the men’s game maybe but it only works to perfection when they play crappy teams which is most of the time. It’s a great offense in the women’s game and he’s way ahead of his competition I congratulate him for that.

It ends there
 
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The fact that people still think that the actual offense we run is the problem blows me away.

There are a few variations, but for the most part any basketball team ever has run pretty much the same thing. There is going to be cutting and screening and then if the players are good that will work and if they’re
not it won’t.

Recruiting and making those players good are the two most important aspects of the job. X’s and o’s is very inconsequential comparatively.
 
Deepster said:
So far the argument against me has been:

Bulls with Jordan
Lakers with Kobe and prime Shaq
Warriors with Kevin Durant and the greatest shooter in history

Not sure it had much to do with that “triangle” offense.
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No, the argument against you is that you are dead wrong and too stubborn to admit it.
 
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August_West said:
This is priceless.

You realize that the positionless nova scheme is actually the scheme Ollie wants to run in a perfect world.

So you just argued against yourself.
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Yeah it’s almost the exact same offense, Wright is just way better (than everyone) at teaching it right now. But I would like to get his reaction if we advised him to watch some tape on Geno’s offense.
 
August_West said:
This is priceless.

You realize that the positionless nova scheme is actually the scheme Ollie wants to run in a perfect world.


So you just argued against yourself.
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Are you not reading this thread? I love the motion offense, Deepster says it only works against old white men.

and BTW Ollie has never run an offense anything close to what Jay Wright runs. For God sakes UCONN had a game earlier this year where they didn't get their first assist until late in the second half. KO might talk about it, but talk is cheap.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
Are you not reading this thread? I love the motion offense, Deepster says it only works against old white men.

and BTW Ollie has never run an offense anything close to what Jay Wright runs. For God sakes UCONN had a game earlier this year where they didn't get their first assist until late in the second half. KO might talk about it, but talk is cheap.
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Yeah to get an assist you actually have to make a shot ( from the outside) or catch the ball as an inside cutter.

Since we are able to do neither, you will not see assists hence my perfect world qualifier
 
Deepster said:
And I’m wrong.....because you say so?
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No. Nor are you right because YOU say so. BTW, the Spurs say hi. You forgot them. Oh, and that geeky guy in Boston is doing well.

But, as one person said, the exact offense is not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is the recruiting and coaching.
 
There are probably many offensive variations that are possible when you have players that can make shots, pass and handle the ball. Geno could win in a variety of schemes.
 
Of all the things that Geno does well as a coach, this is #1 and his ability to cover up flaws/weaknesses is #2.

"Our approach has always been, what does this team need for us to be really really good?" Auriemma said. "Even if what we did last year was great. We have a different team this year, how do we add some stuff or tweak some stuff to change our team for the better? We've kind of always done that. We've always managed to not be so locked into one thing that we're going to do that regardless of who we have. That's never been our philosophy. Sometimes it's just a minor thing. Sometimes it's a bigger thing. But we're always looking."

UConn Basketball 2016-17: Geno Auriemma Studies, Absorbs It All, Then Tailors Ideas To Fit Personnel
 
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