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Plebe said:
I didn't say you were a preschooler. I do assume that you're older than 4. Nor did I say anything about your "thoughts."

It takes a lack of social awareness and/or politeness to take this thread and make it all about *your* team's winning record over UConn in a specific round of the NCAA tournament. I dare say most of us don't need that rubbed in our face.
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I was just responding to what @bballnut90 was talking about wasn’t trying to rub it in anyone’s face.
 
Postseason prospects for SEC women's teams on shaky ground

This hasn’t been a typical season for Southeastern Conference women’s basketball, and the league could feel the consequences when the NCAA Tournament bracket comes out.​
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When the Division I Women’s Basketball Committee offered its early projections of the top 16 NCAA Tournament seeds this week, No. 5 Mississippi State (22-2, 10-1 SEC) and No. 11 South Carolina (18-6, 10-1) were the only SEC teams included. If that’s how the bracket ends up, it would mark the first time since 2011 the SEC had only two of the top 16 seeds.​
 
After thinking about the initial top 16 reveal I've been looking at the four and five seeds for the four regions. This past week has seen a number of upsets and with five to six games remaining before the next reveal it may be overly speculative to comment. But here I go.

Since Charlie Cream began his bracketology the ASU lady devils have ranged from a 3 to a 5 currently residing as a 5. While I personally think the 5 is the correct seed as a fan I'd love to see a four and two home games in Tempe. Rhe Pac-12 tournament this year will be held in Las Vegas in March. Followers of women's basketball have debated the notion of regionals versus placing the final 16 in a single site. This is an interesting debate and one that bears further analysis. The recent outcry over the unbalanced nature of the current bracket would fall away in the event of a central location. As a fan of a program which rarely if ever makes it beyond The Sweet 16 I would love to have a central location allowing me to come and see all the top four seeds.

As far as the Pac-12 in the Massey discussion a real weakness in that analysis is the placement of UCLA. Next to Oregon the team that's most on fire right now. Unfortunately ASU will draw them in the second round of the tournament and after their thrilling last-second victory over the Devils at home I'm not optimistic. This is one of the reasons why I think the eye test is so important. Massey has Cal substantially ahead of UCLA. For those of you watching the Pac-12 games I'm sure you've noticed some of the deficiencies in Kristen Anigwes game on the defensive side of the ball. Her numbers are reminiscent of Megan Gustafson but I think she and Megan share the same problems defensively that will be revealed in the WNBA.several close analystsof the WNBA have Anigwe falling to the Phoenix Mercury. I certainly hope not. While poor coaching may be part of Kristen's issues I think that they're somewhat deeper seated than that and I'm not sure how she fits in a locker room or defensively at the next level.

getting ready to go to the Utah game. This is a big one for the Devils as it looks like there's some cow game will be our only two remaining victories with Oregon Oregon State and Stanford still on the schedule.after the Arizona wildcats completely shut Megan Hough down I believe she was going for 12 from the floor I'm expecting a big rebound game which puts tremendous pressure on our help defense. Both Courtney ekmark and Kianna Ibis will have to have big games looking forward to the last home game I'll be able to see for the Devil's this year
 
azfan said:
After thinking about the initial top 16 reveal I've been looking at the four and five seeds for the four regions. This past week has seen a number of upsets and with five to six games remaining before the next reveal it may be overly speculative to comment. But here I go.

Since Charlie Cream began his bracketology the ASU lady devils have ranged from a 3 to a 5 currently residing as a 5. While I personally think the 5 is the correct seed as a fan I'd love to see a four and two home games in Tempe. Rhe Pac-12 tournament this year will be held in Las Vegas in March. Followers of women's basketball have debated the notion of regionals versus placing the final 16 in a single site. This is an interesting debate and one that bears further analysis. The recent outcry over the unbalanced nature of the current bracket would fall away in the event of a central location. As a fan of a program which rarely if ever makes it beyond The Sweet 16 I would love to have a central location allowing me to come and see all the top four seeds.

As far as the Pac-12 in the Massey discussion a real weakness in that analysis is the placement of UCLA. Next to Oregon the team that's most on fire right now. Unfortunately ASU will draw them in the second round of the tournament and after their thrilling last-second victory over the Devils at home I'm not optimistic. This is one of the reasons why I think the eye test is so important. Massey has Cal substantially ahead of UCLA. For those of you watching the Pac-12 games I'm sure you've noticed some of the deficiencies in Kristen Anigwes game on the defensive side of the ball. Her numbers are reminiscent of Megan Gustafson but I think she and Megan share the same problems defensively that will be revealed in the WNBA.several close analystsof the WNBA have Anigwe falling to the Phoenix Mercury. I certainly hope not. While poor coaching may be part of Kristen's issues I think that they're somewhat deeper seated than that and I'm not sure how she fits in a locker room or defensively at the next level.

getting ready to go to the Utah game. This is a big one for the Devils as it looks like there's some cow game will be our only two remaining victories with Oregon Oregon State and Stanford still on the schedule.after the Arizona wildcats completely shut Megan Hough down I believe she was going for 12 from the floor I'm expecting a big rebound game which puts tremendous pressure on our help defense. Both Courtney ekmark and Kianna Ibis will have to have big games looking forward to the last home game I'll be able to see for the Devil's this year
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Hey @azfan - I have 2 general admission tix each for next weekend's ASU games vs. Oregon State & Oregon. Turns out I'm going to be out of town and can't use them (luckily I'll be in Tucson, so going to the U of A vs. Oregon game Friday night). Tickets are yours if you want them. Or anybody else around here that wants them. I don't want any $$. I can e-mail the original .pdf's. Let me know
 
Thank you so much! Very thoughtful I'm also going to be out of town actually chaperoning my daughter's choir tour California. I have season tickets so I'll be missing both the Oregon state and Oregon score I have my fingers crossed that the devil's can split but I'm not that confident
 
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Plebe said:
Postseason prospects for SEC women's teams on shaky ground
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Thanks for the article link. Upon reading it, the comments by the coaches, indicate posturing and denial. Yes, SEC Coaches, your league is the 5th rank conference and what you call parity, the rest of us call lack of team cohesion and coaching.

Honestly, there’s three coaches I respect in this conference-Schaefer, Staley and Pingeton. The rest are either overrated, overmatched or on the real downside of their career.
I think only MSU and SC deserve top 16 seeds and only Kentucky, A&M and Mizzou with NCAA bids.
 
DefenseBB said:
Thanks for the article link. Upon reading it, the comments by the coaches, indicate posturing and denial. Yes, SEC Coaches, your league is the 5th rank conference and what you call parity, the rest of us call lack of team cohesion and coaching.

Honestly, there’s three coaches I respect in this conference-Schaefer, Staley and Pingeton. The rest are either overrated, overmatched or on the real downside of their career.
I think only MSU and SC deserve top 16 seeds and only Kentucky, A&M and Mizzou with NCAA bids.
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Lots of bubble teams in the SEC: Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas. I know how you feel about those power conference bubble teams ;) but I'd say 2 of these teams, and maybe 3, are likely to make the tournament.
 
Plebe said:
Lots of bubble teams in the SEC: Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas. I know how you feel about those power conference bubble teams ;) but I'd say 2 of these teams, and maybe 3, are likely to make the tournament.
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You realize I have a house on a river in Egypt so I am allowed to live in deNile. :rolleyes:
 
This aint gonna happen.... but... but... but... if Miami wins out... could they rise to a #1 seed?
 
triaddukefan said:
This aint gonna happen.... but... but... but... if Miami wins out... could they rise to a #1 seed?
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LOL ... we're really reaching for some hypotheticals now.

I'd have to say highly doubtful. Unless a couple teams now in the top 6 falter significantly.
 
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JordyG said:
Nope. A #2 seed seems there limit.
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#2 seed in Greensboro and a matchup of twin towers vs Baylor. Talk about subplots @Plebe

imma need to slow down this Miami talk. Gonna mess around and jynx them and have them lose to GaTech and VPI
 
triaddukefan said:
#2 seed in Greensboro and a matchup of twin towers vs Baylor. Talk about subplots @Plebe
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Ha now that is actually quite plausible. Heck, could easily be a #3 or #4 seed in Greensboro even if they don't run the table.
 
Plebe said:
Ha now that is actually quite plausible. Heck, could easily be a #3 or #4 seed in Greensboro even if they don't run the table.
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i think you will end up with a Big 12, ACC, Pac 10, and SEC mix in greensboro
 
triaddukefan said:
i think you will end up with a Big 12, ACC, Pac 10, and SEC mix in greensboro
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Well, unless Maryland or Iowa get sent to Greensboro, that will almost certainly be the case. Doesn't look like any other conferences will be represented in the top 16, other than the AAC :)

Because of geography, Maryland is a team that could easily end up in Greensboro.
 
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Most broadcasters and reporters are always crying about having parity in women's basketball. Well it seems it is here this year. So no matter what happens, their will be more the the normal amount of complaining regarding their seedings for this years brackets. It is my humble opinion that not all four #1 seeds are going to make it to the Final Four this year. There are at least 10 to 12 teams that if they get hot can win it all, but they all have good and bad points. The winner will be the coach that can utilize their teams strong points and mask their deficiencies. Should be an interesting tournament.
 
bballnut90 said:
Someone has to go there and theres no way MSU moves ahead of Louisville/Baylor/Oregon with their best wins being SC and Marquette. MSU is going to be a very difficult matchup for UCONN due to their size and rebounding ability, but beating UCONN in Albany will not be easy. I love Vic, but scheduling a dreadful nonconference slate may end up being costly.

Ironically, if MSU loses once or twice to SC, itll likely move them out of Albany and they may get a more favorable matchup vs Louisville.
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Well that Texas game we thought would really bolster the resume as I think they were #10-12ish then but seems like fhey had 2 starters out so it ended up garnering little attention.
 
There will likely be quite a few additional losses within the top 16 teams. At this point, only Baylor and UConn have a relatively straightforward path to run the table through their respective conference tournaments.

Oregon has a big game on the road tonight vs OSU and the Pac12 conference tournament is no picnic. Either Louisville or ND will have to lose at least one more time in their conference tournament, if not beforehand.

MS St has demonstrated some vulnerability, and they still have a tough battle with a surging SC team on the road in Columbia. Every other top 16 team will likely face one or more tough games.

At this point in the season, I start to look at teams that are trending upward, essentially playing their best basketball of the year. Baylor & Oregon appear to be very solid. SC & Miami are also playing extremely well, along with one other team that has played its best basketball of the season over the last 4 games. That last team is coached by a short Italian guy who invariably has his team firing on all cylinders when the calendar turns to March.
 
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eebmg said:
By the thinnest of Margins, Creme has Louisville and UConn on the top line with ND in the hunt. The implication is a strong ND win over #12 NC State on the road may push UConn to #2(due to comparitively weak schedule)

Louisville remains a No. 1 seed despite loss to Miami
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Either way one will lose in the ACC tourney so I'd say UCONN is pretty much guaranteed the 1 seed.
 
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mbr33ct said:
Just waiting for the critics when that happens..."it's because UConn plays in the AAC".
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Ok, I'll bite, what critics? Let's look at the 6 teams really in discussion for an #1
Baylor-is a lock to get it as only Iowa St and Texas are somewhat talented but neither poses a real threat. I think even if they lose, they will still be a #1.
Oregon-They are probably playing the best of all the teams at the moment and also have the hardest road of the top 6. If they lose, I suspect they keep a #1 but if they fall to a #2 they will still get sent to Portland-no one will complain.
Louisville-As currently sits, they are the #3 seed in the ACC Tournament (kind of crazy but true) so they would have to beat ND in the Semi's and than either Miami, NC State or Syracuse in a Final. They win out, they head to Chicago as #1. They lose, they are a #2, probably in Greensboro
UConn-easiest path of the 6. Headed to Albany as #1.
ND-See Louisville scenario above. IF they lose, they have 4 losses including a loss to UConn so no one will be complaining. If any noise starts to surface, someone mumbles "North Carolina Cheat" nuf ced.
MSU-The only thing standing in their way to an SEC championship is SC. They are most likely a #2 but if something crazy happens to Oregon or Baylor, the could get a #1 and Greensboro, not likely and not much to complain about considering the loss to Mizzou who just lost at home to Tenn.

So, what Critics have a logical complaint about UConn as a #1?
 
DefenseBB, good post. I think the bigger questions are the next 12 seeds, especially seeds 13-16. And then, what regional do seeds 7-16 get placed. The questions surrounding which teams are #1 vs #2 seeds is somewhat uninteresting as you pointed out. If Oregon is #2 seed, they still play in Portland. If UCONN is #2 seed, they still play in Albany. Same for ND & Louisville with respect to the closest regional location.
 
DefenseBB said:
Ok, I'll bite, what critics? Let's look at the 6 teams really in discussion for an #1
Baylor-is a lock to get it as only Iowa St and Texas are somewhat talented but neither poses a real threat. I think even if they lose, they will still be a #1.
Oregon-They are probably playing the best of all the teams at the moment and also have the hardest road of the top 6. If they lose, I suspect they keep a #1 but if they fall to a #2 they will still get sent to Portland-no one will complain.
Louisville-As currently sits, they are the #3 seed in the ACC Tournament (kind of crazy but true) so they would have to beat ND in the Semi's and than either Miami, NC State or Syracuse in a Final. They win out, they head to Chicago as #1. They lose, they are a #2, probably in Greensboro
UConn-easiest path of the 6. Headed to Albany as #1.
ND-See Louisville scenario above. IF they lose, they have 4 losses including a loss to UConn so no one will be complaining. If any noise starts to surface, someone mumbles "North Carolina Cheat" nuf ced.
MSU-The only thing standing in their way to an SEC championship is SC. They are most likely a #2 but if something crazy happens to Oregon or Baylor, the could get a #1 and Greensboro, not likely and not much to complain about considering the loss to Mizzou who just lost at home to Tenn.

So, what Critics have a logical complaint about UConn as a #1?
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The short answer, fans of other schools...no more or less. Isn't that the war cry some say regarding UConn plays in the AAC...and let me add some of these fans/critics are actually UConn fans.
 
eebmg said:
By the thinnest of Margins, Creme has Louisville and UConn on the top line with ND in the hunt. The implication is a strong ND win over #12 NC State on the road may push UConn to #2(due to comparitively weak schedule)

Louisville remains a No. 1 seed despite loss to Miami
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There’s no way at this point ND jumps UConn. They have more losses & loss the head to head. UConn fans want ND to winout at this point because it helps boost our strength of schedule. No chance UConn falls to the #2 line, unless they somehow drop a game.
 
One additional point to be made when it comes to seeding and who goes where. WBB, as much as any other sport, is characterized by layers. SOS is nice, but games vs the very top layer should carry much more weight in WBB imo.

At this point in time the very top layer of WBB includes 6 teams: Baylor, Oregon, Louisville, MS St, ND & UConn. Of those teams, UConn is the only team to play 3 other top teams on their home court, let alone beat one.

There will be a lot of talk about who goes where for the Big Dance. But you can be sure that the last thing that Kim, Kelly, Jeff, Vic or MM want is to end up in Albany as either the #1 or #2 seed.
 
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