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Ah got it it.At rush hour?
I could get to Izod from New Haven in 1 1/2 hours. In no traffic.
Ah got it it.At rush hour?
I could get to Izod from New Haven in 1 1/2 hours. In no traffic.
You not part of the NJ UConn demographic. The out-of-state UConn demographic is 40-35 and younger (UConn started to gain both athletic and academic national notoriety from 2000 onward). The UConn NJ demo is not the demographic that hangs UConn flags outside of their homes in Ridgewood and throws a UConn sticker on the back of their car, at least not yet. They are still in young NY commuter cities. The dynamic has changed. Several (at least 10) students from my NJ HS went to UConn and have moved back to NJ. I have several friends from UConn in the mid-2000's that were also from NJ. Times have changed. We are certainly not PSU in terms of NJ presence, but we at least slightly move the needle at this point, and the IZod center showing demonstrates that.
Without any statistical data to back it up, here is the similarity and difference between UConn in NJ and Rutgers in CT. In each state, there are significant numbers of transplants and alumni, but not enough to move the meter in any real respect. However, given that all of UConn's games are shown in at least most of Jersey, and UConn is a national brand and a winner in hoops, it would be silly to think there aren't a significant number of younger consumers who have become UConn fans because you can watch basically every game on TV and they win and send players to the NBA (and WNBA).
So you can tell me all you want about what flags you see, but without data you are not going to get me to believe that some kids in North and Jersey aren't growing up as UConn fans where they can watch all the games of a national competitive basketball team.
Without any statistical data to back it up, here is the similarity and difference between UConn in NJ and Rutgers in CT. In each state, there are significant numbers of transplants and alumni, but not enough to move the meter in any real respect. However, given that all of UConn's games are shown in at least most of Jersey, and UConn is a national brand and a winner in hoops, it would be silly to think there aren't a significant number of younger consumers who have become UConn fans because you can watch basically every game on TV and they win and send players to the NBA (and WNBA).
So you can tell me all you want about what flags you see, but without data you are not going to get me to believe that some kids in North and Jersey aren't growing up as UConn fans where they can watch all the games of a national competive basketball team.
Think what you want to think.....but having lived all over NJ for all but a few years.....I can tell you UCONN's presence is so miniscule that it doesn't move the needle at all.
Does Duke move the needle in NJ?
Look, I'm not saying uconn carries any more weight in NJ than Duke does. But it is foolish to assume that a popular bball brand a few miles from your border cannot find 10,000 fans from among your population. Duke seems to be doing ok without shuttling people from Durham.
If you think there are 10,000 NJ residents that are UCONN fans, then you are simply wishful thinking.
If you think there are 10,000 NJ residents that are UCONN fans, then you are simply wishful thinking.
If you think there are 10,000 NJ residents that are UCONN fans, then you are simply wishful thinking.
It certainly would not surprise me. That's 0.00000125 of the population, Not a particularly huge number. In my circle the percentage is much higher than that.If you think there are 10,000 NJ residents that are UCONN fans, then you are simply wishful thinking.
It certainly would not surprise me. That's 0.00000125 of the population, Not a particularly huge number. In my circle the percentage is much higher than that.
Another anecdotal observation - My kid plays AAU ball here. I can tell you coaches at tournaments are shouting out UConn or Connecticut to designate plays regularly. I can't remember hearing Rutgers but given their BBall prowess I guess that's understandable. As I said, I see UConn gear regularly around here. That may not be the case in South Jersey.
I was coaching a U8 rec basketball team last night with the head coach who is a Rutgers Alumni and who named the team 'Rutgers' just to annoy me. At the end of our scrimmage, I noted that if each player (10 per team, 2 teams) brought both of their parents to a game, the attendance at our game could rival Rutgers. I got a nasty look back; but, no argument.
On a more serious note, if UConn doe snot move the needle at all in NJ, why did UConn's appearance at the RAC in January 2014 sell out the RAC for the first since 2012?
http://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball...earing_hoops_sellout_at_rac_for_saturday.html
I live upstate(Capitol District) NY(20 yrs) and lived in NYC for 22 yrs the 1st 21 I resided in my home state of NJ and still consider myself and take pride in state even 40 yrs later..NYC and N.NJ are interchangeable and share culture(same with Philly and S. Jersey)....being real the same can't be said about Connecticut even though they also share a border(about it)...in other words WE ARE NYC. I like and feel an affinity for UConn but someone seems to have a complex? For some inexplicable reason we see FF county as one of us and the rest of Connecticut as part of Boston or New England(were mid-atlantic). Its hard to believe so many here are envious when most of us have moved on and even pull for you!?! Isn't being associated with Mass/Boston and you're hoops natty's enough that you want to claim NYC/NJ too? Be who you are. New Englander's (excepting FF cty)with popularity in NYC but it ain't you're home but your certainly good neighbors.At least that's my heartfelt feeling and i don't think i'm far off?Let me take a stab at it for phillydave:
Because everyone who lives in NJ is in love with all things NJ first, particularly the state U - even though the school name is confusing and the campus could be mistaken for any other highway rest stop on the pike.
The second most important thing to a jersey resident is everything else in life, unless it has to do with the state of Connecticut. Then our hatred establishes primacy. Thus the attendance spike.
Regardless, it is impossible for me to believe that anyone outside of my hideous state regards Rutgers as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the seventies and eighties, a loser program with a flamboyant mascot.
It just does not make sense that everybody does not see our sleeping-giantness with each demonstration of Rutgers class and victory. Our track record on the field and generosity in giving away free sporting tickets thus earning no revenue should speak for itself.
Our trophy case and awesome proximity to NYC is a tremendous source of pride for even the most temporary NJ resident. That is why it is impossible to imagine anyone rooting for UConn even though there is probably a eload of people in NJ that are from CT. And they win at things and we don't.
And if I was being honest with myself, I would have to acknowledge that a NJ native living in CT don't have the same affinity for old state because there is very little other than a defunct mtv reality show of which to be proud.
Sorry, stopped reading when you said Cuse was a basketball school...In my opinion, I think this will happen, at some point, in the next 10-15 years. The NCAA Tourney is a $1B revenue generator...for the NCAA (not the conferences). If the P5 completely split from the NCAA (like they're moving towards anyway), how long will it take for them to figure out that a P5-only tournament that features their programs can generate the same kind of payout without giving it to the NCAA? The mega-fanbases in the P5 would drive ratings through the roof. And while the P5 hoops tourney would lose the "Cinderella appeal" charm of the NCAA Tourney, it wouldn't matter because the P5 has conquered just about every large DMA in the country. CR is all about money, not protecting the charm or true rivalry aspects that used to make college athletics so fun to watch.
The good news for UCONN is that if/when this hoops split happens, and the focus shifts from football to basketball, our P5 value skyrockets. The P5 can surely ink a lucrative TV deal without UCONN. But with UCONN in the mix, not only does the new P5 tourney gain penetration into the huge northeast markets that UCONN helps carry (NYC, Boston, Hartford/New Haven = ratings = $$$), but it also brings more credibility to the P5 tourney because UCONN is a national powerhouse and contender in most seasons. Let's say UNC wins the 2022 P5 championship going 22-8 that season and UCONN, while playing in a mid-major Big East conference, goes 28-2 and wins the NCAA Tourney. Because of UCONN's history and elite status as a basketball blue blood, there would potentially be quite a few pockets of fans in the country that would claim UCONN was better than UNC that year. The P5 would have to acquire as many "blue blood" elite names as possible for their tourney to bring validity to declaring its champion the "best". To gain access to this tournament, UCONN *has* to continue playing football to get a P5 invite.
I understand that UCONN is a basketball school and always will be. That's fine. There is a fit for that inside the P5 (look at Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Syracuse, Indiana, etc) as long as the football programs are competitive every now and again and the basketball programs continue to deliver ratings. I think UCONN can get back to that point - hell, we were at that point in 2011 when we had a BCS football team and 2 hoops national championships.
I also understand that our fanbase, for whatever odd reason, seems to be fragmented between basketball (and even men's vs. women's basketball) and football. I will never in 1,000 years understand the reason for this. But I do realize that the "hoops first" fans probably hold some sort of resentment towards the football program for its struggles and the idea that it is football holding us back from a P5 conference. I just don't, for the life of me, understand why our fans would want to dump football now and go back to playing in a mid-major Big East conference. The payout there is roughly $5M/yr. In other words, not even enough to cover paying our head coach's salaries. So what coach are we going to have to let go because we can't continue to fund that program, long-term? Ollie makes $3M/yr. Geno makes $2M/yr. One, or both, would have to go. And who would we bring in at for $1M/yr to coach in a mid-major conference? Further more, how long would we keep him until a P5 school with 4-10x more money than UCONN can come in and double/triple/quadruple their salary and lure them away? Imagine the ire of every UCONN fan of losing a Kevin Ollie type to Boston College or Syracuse or Rutgers simply because they can pay a salary that we can't even come close to matching. That's what will happen if we moved back to the Big East.
Stay the course. Sports are cyclical. Football will improve. When it does, our P5 value improves instantly. We already have shown we can really help deliver NYC/NJ. Hopefully we will show in 2016 that we can help deliver Boston with a strong fan showing at Gillette against UMASS. We just need football to win a few games and keep doing what we're doing by investing heavily in research. We are still in Year 2 of the 3-5 Year B1G Plan.
I don't really want to but it would be disingenuis of me to claim you're far from right..W.Va has about a similar NJ presense but that don't mean UConn's not popular..heck I like em and I'm also an RU fan who follows UConn next and thinks they got a crummy shake in CR!! They have a bigger following than a third of P5 schools as is but FB started late and I guess some nitwits think they still have dues to pay...their wrong....check out the trophy case at UConn.If you want to think that UCONN has a presence in NJ.....go for it. You'd be very wrong....but have at it.
I lived in NJ for 42 years up until a few years ago, in towns in Monmouth County (Central Jersey) Ocean Country (Central/South) Middles e x County (Central NJ) and Bergen County (North Jersey) and I didn't know a single UCONN fan or alum. I never saw people wearing shirts or flying flags outside their homes. There may be a few fans , but you'd have to be on the lookout all year long to find one.
Just like Rutgers is insignificant in the state of Connecticut, UCONN is equally insignificant in the state of NJ.
That is the reality.
I'm just giving my opinion pj as I see it...I'm no expert...I'm a fan of you guys too remember.Nicky, we're happy to be on the New England side of the New England/New York cultural divide ... but we're not going to cede NYC sports fans to Rutgers! Keep your game face on because UConn wants those fans!
Let me take a stab at it for phillydave:
Because everyone who lives in NJ is in love with all things NJ first, particularly the state U - even though the school name is confusing and the campus could be mistaken for any other highway rest stop on the pike.
The second most important thing to a jersey resident is everything else in life, unless it has to do with the state of Connecticut. Then our hatred establishes primacy. Thus the attendance spike.
Regardless, it is impossible for me to believe that anyone outside of my hideous state regards Rutgers as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the seventies and eighties, a loser program with a flamboyant mascot.
It just does not make sense that everybody does not see our sleeping-giantness with each demonstration of Rutgers class and victory. Our track record on the field and generosity in giving away free sporting tickets thus earning no revenue should speak for itself.
Our trophy case and awesome proximity to NYC is a tremendous source of pride for even the most temporary NJ resident. That is why it is impossible to imagine anyone rooting for UConn even though there is probably a eload of people in NJ that are from CT. And they win at things and we don't.
And if I was being honest with myself, I would have to acknowledge that a NJ native living in CT don't have the same affinity for old state because there is very little other than a defunct mtv reality show of which to be proud.
That's the thing about CR I hate most....creating jealousy and animosity between like minded,similar and equally deserving school's on the whole because of backroom policies and politicking by smaller less deserving privates who happen to have the "old" nepotistic Tammany Hall type "deals" going for them rather than true representative region covering state schools that the people really want to see. Certain schools would be on the outside looking in if it (CR) were done in a democratic fair way(peoples vote) with sunshine law's. Greed over fair reasonable moves is not acceptable.....I'm of the belief UConn's admin's already know where their landing but can't speak on it similar to the pre B1G announcement at RU whilst still negotiating a partner school(UConn/UVA)"wishful thinking" or (UConn/VT)"possible" andUConn/ Kansas"most likely". Something will break before the next B1G TV negotiations!?!
You seriously include UConn's years in the College Division/1-AA levels in the all-time record to feel good about Rutgers? I hope you are shining that famous fencing championship trophy from 1948, whenever it was. And as for Rutgers being the birthplace of football....Auggie, let me get this straight.
You, as a UCONN football fan, actually have the balls to call ANY OTHER PROGRAM including Rutgers a loser football program, despite the fact that UCONN, unlike Rutgers, has an all-time losing record in football....has had more losing seasons than winning seasons (also unlike Rutgers) has had three straight losing seasons, and has been to only 5 bowls in your history?
You calling Rutgers a losing program despite the fact that RU is playing in their 9th bowl in 10 years today....and despite the fact that RU is 20-10-1 against UCONN all time....is just priceless....and really makes you look ignorant.
But at least you got a few childish digs in against NJ. I'm guessing you're either an immature college kid, or your an adult who still needs to do a lot of growing up.

You seriously include UConn's years in the College Division/1-AA levels in the all-time record to feel good about Rutgers? I hope you are shining that famous fencing championship trophy from 1948, whenever it was. And as for Rutgers being the birthplace of football....
http://gocrimson.com/information/history/traditiontimeline
May 14, 1874-First Football Game
Football makes its Cambridge debut when Harvard accepts a proposal from McGill University for a two-game series at Jarvis Field, now the site of the Harvard Law School. Harvard wins the opener, 3 goals to 0, and the schools battle to a 0-0 draw the following afternoon. The contests lead directly to the present intercollegiate game of football.
June 4, 1875-Sharp-Dressed Men
Harvard plays its first intercollegiate football game, hosting Tufts at Jarvis Field. Just as historic is that Harvard is outfitted in formal uniforms, believed to be the first time a team has been so identified. The squad is adorned in the newly-chosen school colors, with a uniform of white shirts and pants, with crimson trimming and crimson hose.
Must be fun to tout imaginary stories. Don't worry, the truth will catch up. Especially when UConn gets into the B1G. We have Walter Camp's grave and "The Game" in CT.![]()
Dave, saying the same think over and over again on another team's forum does not strengthen your point. It does, however, make you annoying. Seriously, make your point then move on.And you have no data that backs up UCONN having a presence in NJ.
What, a few hundred UCONN alums in a state of over 8 million?
You want to say that a few kids want to go to UCONN because of your hoops success, have at it. But the number is so small it is an insignificant blip. Not sure why you are offended. It is what it is. I lived in NJ all of my life save the last few years. Notre Dame has a big presence. PSU has a big presence. Even Villanova has a presence in Monmouth County.
UCONN does not have a presence. I don't count a handful of kids as a needle-mover. You apparently do.
You seriously include UConn's years in the College Division/1-AA levels in the all-time record to feel good about Rutgers? I hope you are shining that famous fencing championship trophy from 1948, whenever it was. And as for Rutgers being the birthplace of football....
http://gocrimson.com/information/history/traditiontimeline
May 14, 1874-First Football Game
Football makes its Cambridge debut when Harvard accepts a proposal from McGill University for a two-game series at Jarvis Field, now the site of the Harvard Law School. Harvard wins the opener, 3 goals to 0, and the schools battle to a 0-0 draw the following afternoon. The contests lead directly to the present intercollegiate game of football.
June 4, 1875-Sharp-Dressed Men
Harvard plays its first intercollegiate football game, hosting Tufts at Jarvis Field. Just as historic is that Harvard is outfitted in formal uniforms, believed to be the first time a team has been so identified. The squad is adorned in the newly-chosen school colors, with a uniform of white shirts and pants, with crimson trimming and crimson hose.
Must be fun to tout imaginary stories. Don't worry, the truth will catch up. Especially when UConn gets into the B1G. We have Walter Camp's grave and "The Game" in CT.![]()