Big 12 'likely' to be able to have championship game without expanding, per source

[upstater]

You don't think the PAC12 would go to 14 if that included UT and OU?

They already said no when Texas Tech and OSU were part of the expansion. Maybe they've changed their minds.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

You don't think the PAC12 would go to 14 if that included UT and OU?

The Pac 12 said no to Texas mostly. I don't think any of the SEC, Big 10 or Pac 12 will put up with their BS. The ACC would take Texas if it put the Big 12 out of business.

 

[NYUConn]

What I highlighted was not meant to be a referendum on a particular journalist's integrity. The whole thing sounded like a circle-jerk because of the timing and the word "floated" which was used in the piece. That sounded like a tell to the reader to beware and more of a wish-list than a pending agreement. Not saying it won't work but all leaks have an agenda at play this week and reporters are at the mercy of their sources and the need to deliver content. And from this the echo-chamber takes over to repeat the same narrative.

Fair enough. When we use the term "Mouthpiece " I usually feel like that has a negative connotation, but I hear what you're saying.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Fair enough. When we use the term "Mouthpiece " I usually feel like that has a negative connotation, but I hear what you're saying.

Chuck Carlton is the greatest reporter in the history of reporters. There, happy now?

 

[Fishy]

You don't think the PAC12 would go to 14 if that included UT and OU?

They would do it in one second. Maybe less.

The sticking point was the Longhorn Network.

Without that, done deal.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

They would do it in one second. Maybe less.

The sticking point was the Longhorn Network.

Without that, done deal.

Colorado pissed all over Texas in the Pac 12. Texas is NEVER joining that league. The Pac 12 has a bunch of big, rapidly growing states, and they don't need ANYONE else. They have the Rockies and west all to themselves. They don't even need to be good to be a major. California and its 38 million apathetic fans is their trump card.

If Texas blocks Big 12 expansion, it is over, not just for us, but for the rest of the Big 12. But mostly for us. Texas and Oklahoma will be gone by 2025, and there is no rescue call coming for UConn when there are 8 teams ahead of us scrambling for maybe 2-3 seats on life boats.

We have the third highest subsidy of any athletic program. That is completely unsustainable.

 

[Fishy]

Texas doesn't give a s--- about Colorado and the Pac-12 would euthanize every person on the Boulder campus if it meant welcoming Texas.

Texas and Notre Dame are the two schools who can join any conference with nothing more than a text message.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Texas doesn't give a s--- about Colorado and the Pac-12 would euthanize every person on the Boulder campus if it meant welcoming Texas.

Texas and Notre Dame are the two schools who can join any conference with nothing more than a text message.

That must be why they are in the Pac 12 right now.

 

[Fishy]

Texas can join the Pac 12 whenever they want - they don't want to because of the LHN money.

you are a head case.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

If this vote doesn't go the right way on Friday, the door is closing forever on the P5. This is our last chance.

 

[JSM1970]

What about all the car wash info?

If this vote doesn't go the right way on Friday, the door is closing forever on the P5. This is our last chance.

 

[tzznandrew]

If Texas blocks Big 12 expansion, it is over, not just for us, but for the rest of the Big 12. But mostly for us. Texas and Oklahoma will be gone by 2025, and there is no rescue call coming for UConn when there are 8 teams ahead of us scrambling for maybe 2-3 seats on life boats.

Well, if it shook out that way, no chance there are 8 schools ahead of us. In the Big 12, we'd be ahead of everyone but Kansas.

TCU, Tech, and Baylor all have their own issues, academic or religious, aside from being a distant 3-5 in that state's interest.​

Kansas State is second fiddle in a medium market, same with Oklahoma State. Both are academic disasters.​

Iowa State is AAU, but the B1G already has Iowa, and I can't see the ACC adding them.​

West Virginia has value, and I could see them being ahead of us because of football prowess, but they are a small market with mediocre academics.​

If Texas and Oklahoma go anywhere but the B1G, I'd say Kansas and UConn head that way.

That said, we'd have to make it there with a program that looks like UConn...and that will be a challenge.

 

[junglehusky]

When three different writers print almost exactly the same story, coming out of left field, it is fair to be suspicious. If you are right and the Big 12 gets full deregulation, it will shake college football to its core. I don't see it happening.

LOLZ. Sure I guess you can say three independent writers posting similar things is "suspicious". You could just as easily say it's "consistent".

OMG 97% of climate scientists say climate change is caused by humans! That's so SUSPICIOUS!!!!

 

[nelsonmuntz]

LOLZ. Sure I guess you can say three independent writers posting similar things is "suspicious". You could just as easily say it's "consistent".

OMG 97% of climate scientists say climate change is caused by humans! That's so SUSPICIOUS!!!!

A blogger that I have never heard of, a University of Texas message board moderator, and a Dallas based sportswriter are not exactly a scientific study.

More interesting is why posters like you pick such strange fights.

 

[NYUConn]

A blogger that I have never heard of, a University of Texas message board moderator, and a Dallas based sportswriter are not exactly a scientific study.

More interesting is why posters like you pick such strange fights.

Ah yes, the random blogger who happens to be the manger of the college football section of the little known web site "SB Nation."

Also, I'm sorry you feel like people are picking fights with you, but we are allowed to have different opinions.

 

[Kolumbo]

So based on Friday's vote, the Big 12 will either expand or not. If it expands, it could take UCONN which would basically throw our state into a frenzy of celebration. If it expands and takes one or two AAC schools other than UCONN, we will hit another all-time low, and that seems more likely given CR Rule #1. So do we hope for no expansion for now, meaning we hope the vote goes the Big 12 way? I almost want to see expansion regardless of who the Big 12 takes. Another humiliating kick to the crotch, something will absolutely have to give.

 

[NYUConn]

So based on Friday's vote, the Big 12 will either expand or not. If it expands, it could take UCONN which would basically throw our state into a frenzy of celebration. If it expands and takes one or two AAC schools other than UCONN, we will hit another all-time low, and that seems more likely given CR Rule #1. So do we hope for no expansion for now, meaning we hope the vote goes the Big 12 way? I almost want to see expansion regardless of who the Big 12 takes. Another humiliating kick to the crotch, something will absolutely have to give.

FYI - Pretty certain the amendment vote is today based on what I've been reading. The larger vote I believe is Friday. We'll have a pretty good idea of how this is going to shake out in the next few hours.

 

[amory]

So do we hope for no expansion for now, meaning we hope the vote goes the Big 12 way? I almost want to see expansion regardless of who the Big 12 takes. Another humiliating kick to the crotch, something will absolutely have to give.

Personally, I'm hoping they're forced to expand and either take us or don't. I'd rather roll the dice, even if it means we could end up in an even worse spot.

We need to move. A chance is better than nothing.

 

[UConnMike04]

Personally, I'm hoping they're forced to expand and either take us or don't. I'd rather roll the dice, even if it means we could end up in an even worse spot. We need to move. A chance is better than nothing.

I'm along the lines with this. Even if it means we don't get picked up, at least there would be some movement. Also, I feel like Herbst is on top of this and we have a real shot. As also mentioned, if it's Cincy and Houston or BYU, and we get left out I think that the hell that would break loose after would almost force action from the state legislators, etc.

 

[amory]

Has there been any indication of how Warde will vote, as the AAC representative?

He's in a rather awkward spot, as the conference's interests probably don't align with UConn's interests for this issue.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Ah yes, the random blogger who happens to be the manger of the college football section of the little known web site "SB Nation."

Also, I'm sorry you feel like people are picking fights with you, but we are allowed to have different opinions.

You are right. Chuck Carlton, Chip Brown, and the other guy are the real story today.

 

[junglehusky]

I'm along the lines with this. Even if it means we don't get picked up, at least there would be some movement. Also, I feel like Herbst is on top of this and we have a real shot. As also mentioned, if it's Cincy and Houston or BYU, and we get left out I think that the hell that would break loose after would almost force action from the state legislators, etc.

We have a shot if it's WVU and OU have enough power within the B12. It already sounds like they are not going to carry the day -- i.e. Texas has enough power and/or the other B12 schools are not interested enough in the available candidates to lean towards expansion. Since that appears to be the case, I wouldn't feel confident enough to roll the dice and would feel better about waiting for the next window to open with the B1G or ACC. Granted, that is also a roll of the dice that that window would re-open in the next 5 years rather than 2025.

I don't see what meaningful action the state legislature or governor could possibly accomplish if UConn is left in an AAC without Cincy. That scenario involves the AAC contract getting devalued and is the worst outcome for UConn.

 

[HoopsFan21]

I'm along the lines with this. Even if it means we don't get picked up, at least there would be some movement. Also, I feel like Herbst is on top of this and we have a real shot. As also mentioned, if it's Cincy and Houston or BYU, and we get left out I think that the hell that would break loose after would almost force action from the state legislators, etc.

What kind of action from state legislators? Assuming the other schools feel the same, does it become CT congressmen vs. those from OH, TX, UT, and whatever other states' schools are in play? I recall the last time someone from our government got involved in realignment: didn't do much for us, but said person moved on to being a senator so I guess it worked out for him in the long run.

 

[junglehusky]

I find it unlikely that the other majors will tolerate the Big 12 picking whoever it wants to play in the 13th game. I do think that two 5 team divisions have a fighting chance.

Let's get back to the original question involving these reports. Do you want to go on the record predicting that the compromise will not pass? That's what you seem to be saying.

 

[UConnMike04]

What kind of action from state legislators? Assuming the other schools feel the same, does it become CT congressmen vs. those from OH, TX, UT, and whatever other states' schools are in play? I recall the last time someone from our government got involved in realignment: didn't do much for us, but said person moved on to being a senator so I guess it worked out for him in the long run.

I'm not sure, but I do think that political powers do play a part in this and maybe something can be done to get us into the ACC. They have a spot open and would be able to do 3 pods of 5 if this passes and be able to leave the 16th spot open if ND ever has to join. Doubtful, I know, but would be curious. Maybe Malloy is forced to finally threaten ESPN somehow (who is bleeding money already) and cause them to act on our behalf. Not how I'd want to join a P5, but end of the day who cares?

 

[junglehusky]

 

[amory]

Whole system is disgusting.

P5: "Hey, all of us get 2 votes so we can pass anything we want without any real contention, sound good?"
NCAA: "Whatever you guys say. By the way duckk UConn, right?"
P5: "Oh yeah, for sure."

 

[HuskyHawk]

Arguing about it doesn't change it. We will find out the reality at the same time everybody else does. It will either open to the door to expansion which could (a) include UConn or (b) not include UConn and make the American even weaker or it will shut the door. Let's not pretend that opening the door is automatically good...it might be, we can hope, but it could screw us even further.

Side note: I like Fishy's new avatar. Fish are friends, not food.

 

[upstater]

I still don't understand this 10 team conference championship game thing.

What's the point of having a championship game if the teams have already played?

This is positively screwy.

I can't get my head around it.

And doesn't it diminish the earlier games?

I mean, Michigan is not going to play Ohio State in a conference championship game, and that's how it should be.

What the heck is the B12 doing?

 

[amory]

I still don't understand this 10 team conference championship game thing.

What's the point of having a championship game if the teams have already played?

This is positively screwy.

I can't get my head around it.

And doesn't it diminish the earlier games?

I mean, Michigan is not going to play Ohio State in a conference championship game, and that's how it should be.

What the heck is the B12 doing?

When was the last time anyone in the P5 was worried about if something makes sense, or if it's good for competition?
Their goal is to not expand, and this is a way to not expand.