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BIG 12 25-26

BYU got the sweep of Utah. Utes continuing their late season swoon and have probably played themselves out of Tourney consideration.

Arizona St. crushed Houston.
 
Kansas St. with a puzzling home loss to Kansas today. KU has climbed up into the utter mediocrity in the middle of the conference.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Kansas St. with a puzzling home loss to Kansas today. KU has climbed up into the utter mediocrity in the middle of the conference.
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Why was the loss so puzzling? Kansas has the better overall record and had already beaten Kansas St. by 22 points last month.
 
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sivad40 said:
Why was the loss so puzzling? Kansas has the better overall record and had already beaten Kansas St. by 22 points last month.
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A lot of oddities in the Big12.

Kansas and Cincinatti winning some surprising games.

BYU and Utah frightenly inconsistent. Even add Oklahoma St to that list.

Texas Tech turning into pretender down the stretch...but still a nice season.

ASU also a nice season under new coach Miller.
 
sivad40 said:
Why was the loss so puzzling? Kansas has the better overall record and had already beaten Kansas St. by 22 points last month.
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K State had a better conference record. I didn't remember the previous lop sided score between them.
 
Watching Colorado and Utah. Pregame, at the quarter break, and now at halftime they're talking about the postseason prospects for these two teams.

I'm sitting here having watched ASU beat both of these teams and in fact swept Utah. To me it's inconceivable that ASU is not in the conversation. The announcers are talking about quad 1 wins.... Colorado has one and Utah has two. I can't help but thinking ASU has beaten these two teams that have quad one wins.

And while this incessant statistical focus on quad one continues I'm still bedeviled by the fact that a 10 conference loss Mississippi State team gets to dance while a 10 win ASU team doesn't.

This time of year is exquisitely, agonizingly tremendous.

Oh, and down in the dirty t looks like the kitties are going to be able to defend their home court against bottom feeder Houston.
 
Utah beat Colorado on the road. That figures in this crazy Big 12 season. Always expect the thing you don't expect to happen.
 
azfan said:
Watching Colorado and Utah. Pregame, at the quarter break, and now at halftime they're talking about the postseason prospects for these two teams.

I'm sitting here having watched ASU beat both of these teams and in fact swept Utah. To me it's inconceivable that ASU is not in the conversation. The announcers are talking about quad 1 wins.... Colorado has one and Utah has two. I can't help but thinking ASU has beaten these two teams that have quad one wins.

And while this incessant statistical focus on quad one continues I'm still bedeviled by the fact that a 10 conference loss Mississippi State team gets to dance while a 10 win ASU team doesn't.

This time of year is exquisitely, agonizingly tremendous.

Oh, and down in the dirty t looks like the kitties are going to be able to defend their home court against bottom feeder Houston.
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The first half of the Arizona / Houston game was the worst 2 quarters of basketball I have watched in a very long time. Years ago a very elderly ex-coach was hosting (i.e. serving as a local contact for one of the teams participating in an in-season tourney) and commented about the team that "they are nice girls that don't play basketball very good". That described both teams in the first half of the game.

As I have said, Arizona always plays hard and has some individual scoring talent. Teams took and largely hit a lot of free throws, that was a good thing. I think there were somewhere around 8 video reviews which didn't help make the game pleasant.

Incidentally, FWIW, Houston's new coach this season is former Kentucky head guy Mathew Mitchell. I had forgotten, but he retired in 2020 due to on-going issues from a concussion suffered in an accident. He is only in his 50's.
 
KnightBridgeAZ said:
The first half of the Arizona / Houston game was the worst 2 quarters of basketball I have watched in a very long time. Years ago a very elderly ex-coach was hosting (i.e. serving as a local contact for one of the teams participating in an in-season tourney) and commented about the team that "they are nice girls that don't play basketball very good". That described both teams in the first half of the game.

As I have said, Arizona always plays hard and has some individual scoring talent. Teams took and largely hit a lot of free throws, that was a good thing. I think there were somewhere around 8 video reviews which didn't help make the game pleasant.

Incidentally, FWIW, Houston's new coach this season is former Kentucky head guy Mathew Mitchell. I had forgotten, but he retired in 2020 due to on-going issues from a concussion suffered in an accident. He is only in his 50's.
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Bad hoops would be what to expect with Arizona, UFC and Houston. At least Cincy, the other member of the bottom four, has some players that can make games spirited although they can't seem to avoid a million bad turnovers each game.
 
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Colorado gave Utah, which looked to be dead in the water after a disastrous late-season swoon, another Q1 win.
 
Oy ... With the q1 wins. ASU swept Utah and beat Colorado. It's increasingly apparent that the Sun Devils barring big wins over Tech and a deep run in the tournament will be left out of the big dance.

The Nebraska win over Washington I think sealed the deal. (Talk about mixed emotions)

Tonight is senior night in Tempe. The graduating transfers Gabby Elliott, Last Tear POA, and Marley W have been impressive. I'm really on pins and needles both for the emotion of the game and more importantly the absolute requirement to beat BYU.

With a victory over BYU ASU will move to 23 victories and 10 wins in conference. Looking back I think the loss on the road to Cincinnati is the killer. The Devils played the best first quarter of the entire season and then Cincinnati came roaring back to win that game.

I know I know the dreaded q1. One would think you would get a little credit for beating these q1 winners but had things turned out differently in Baylor or if somehow we can go on the road and beat Texas Tech to end the season.....
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azfan said:
Watching Colorado and Utah. Pregame, at the quarter break, and now at halftime they're talking about the postseason prospects for these two teams.

I'm sitting here having watched ASU beat both of these teams and in fact swept Utah. To me it's inconceivable that ASU is not in the conversation. The announcers are talking about quad 1 wins.... Colorado has one and Utah has two. I can't help but thinking ASU has beaten these two teams that have quad one wins.
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This is the frustration that ACC and Big 12 teams face. Can anyone say, with certainty, that Arizona State, Oklahoma State, Colorado, and Utah or Clemson, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, and UVA are noticeably worse than Illinois, Oregon, Washington, and Nebraska? No, they can't say that. If they say that they can, they're lying. We have metrics that people refuse to use because either they don't fully understand them, don't know how the committee will interpret them, or want to push a narrative.

Also, the sensationalism generated around a single "big win" has to stop. I still remember when Mississippi State beat LSU (the defending champs) and everyone and their mamas thought that they'd sealed their tournament fate (that they were in no matter what). They made the WBIT, largely because they slumped hard after that one data point. Colorado's win over Texas Tech on Saturday was nice, but now we see a Q2 loss to a reeling Utah team. So they're still on the bubble because they negated a nice Q2 win over TT with that mess against Utah. The Clemson (Duke) and Virginia (@ Louisville) wins are the talk of the town right now, but they won't mean much if those teams don't win out (and I would be surprised if Clemson wins out because they're making their California trip, and only four teams in two seasons have swept the California teams in California: UNC last year and Duke, Louisville, and Virginia Tech this year).
 
azfan said:
The Nebraska win over Washington I think sealed the deal. (Talk about mixed emotions)
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Did it? Because they're still well under 0.500 in the conference (and can't get there) and are still 1-10 in Q1 games (which isn't good).
 
WBBTakeover said:
Did it? Because they're still well under 0.500 in the conference (and can't get there) and are still 1-10 in Q1 games (which isn't good).
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What I meant was Nebraska is currently in given their victory over Washington and the Sun Devils are out given their victory over Houston.

I do have my fingers crossed that someone in the committee will have some sense of perspective and look holistically at the Sun Devils. I also understand the vast limitations of Charlie Creme and the futility of looking at bracketology tea leaves before the conference tournaments.

What's that said and listening to the noise out there at this point it would appear is Nebraska is in an ASU is out. It is certainly my hope that Nebraska gets to stay in as a Husker fan but it is my dream that the Sun Devils dance with Molly this year
 
WBBTakeover said:
This is the frustration that ACC and Big 12 teams face. Can anyone say, with certainty, that Arizona State, Oklahoma State, Colorado, and Utah or Clemson, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, and UVA are noticeably worse than Illinois, Oregon, Washington, and Nebraska? No, they can't say that. If they say that they can, they're lying. We have metrics that people refuse to use because either they don't fully understand them, don't know how the committee will interpret them, or want to push a narrative.

Also, the sensationalism generated around a single "big win" has to stop. I still remember when Mississippi State beat LSU (the defending champs) and everyone and their mamas thought that they'd sealed their tournament fate (that they were in no matter what). They made the WBIT, largely because they slumped hard after that one data point. Colorado's win over Texas Tech on Saturday was nice, but now we see a Q2 loss to a reeling Utah team. So they're still on the bubble because they negated a nice Q2 win over TT with that mess against Utah. The Clemson (Duke) and Virginia (@ Louisville) wins are the talk of the town right now, but they won't mean much if those teams don't win out (and I would be surprised if Clemson wins out because they're making their California trip, and only four teams in two seasons have swept the California teams in California: UNC last year and Duke, Louisville, and Virginia Tech this year).
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Really appreciate this analysis. I largely agree.- Colorado is so similar to ASU it's scary. Both are defense first teams that at times struggle and lack three-point efficiency.

As we saw last night when defense falters the Buffs are ordinary. Also In fairness Utah really came prepared. I was wondering how that game would turn out after the unbelievable 4th quarter in their previous game against BYU when those two teams broke the B12 record for most points combined in a single quarter as Utah scored 33 and BYU 30 as BYU wins to strike fear into the heart of all Sun Devil fans.

In 8 hours we tip at Desert Financial Arena on an emotional senior night with a BYU team that obviously can light it up. I know Molly Miller will have the team prepared and the Devils want revenge for the early season loss up in Provo.

I didn't sleep very well last night as I was running all these scenarios through my head but one thing is very clear.... Tonight is a must win for the Devils.

I also totally concur with you about the impact of a big win down the stretch. One would hope that the committee would take a look holistically and while considering statistics and the q1 issue I think there are other countervailing or important elements that may not be quantified that really should be considered.

From my perspective (obviously biased) the committee should reward a huge turnaround particularly in this day and age of a transfer portal in nil.

I have to smile I think it was this time last year when someone on the board questioned whether I was a real ASU fan ... They speculated I just enjoyed dunking on the nice coach from Delaware 2021 COY in her conference. This year has been an unbelievable ride a great shining blessing. I certainly hope that it will end with a dance and I mean in the Big show.
 
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azfan said:
What I meant was Nebraska is currently in given their victory over Washington and the Sun Devils are out given their victory over Houston.

I do have my fingers crossed that someone in the committee will have some sense of perspective and look holistically at the Sun Devils. I also understand the vast limitations of Charlie Creme and the futility of looking at bracketology tea leaves before the conference tournaments.

What's that said and listening to the noise out there at this point it would appear is Nebraska is in an ASU is out. It is certainly my hope that Nebraska gets to stay in as a Husker fan but it is my dream that the Sun Devils dance with Molly this year
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Nebraska just snapped a six-game losing streak in February. They're "in" because people are overreacting to a one-point win over a Washington team that is okay. I can't imagine that a team being five games UNDER 0.500 and coming off a 6-game losing streak (with at least four of those games being blowouts) will have its entire fortunes decided by a one-point win over a team that most bubble teams could beat. Stanford beat Washington and isn't likely to go dancing this season because they took a pounding in the ACC (the conference that everyone likes to dump on).
 
Oklahoma St. beat Iowa St. on the road. That figures. Maybe Iowa St. isn't back on track w/ Brown's return after all.
 
More fun in the Big12 tonight with Jekyll/Hyde teams as good OSU shows up at Iowa State - now healthy but still inconsistent.

Good BYU making an appearance also in the first half.

This league does deliver entertainment.
 
And Kansas continues their late season surge, knocks of Texas Tech, who is stumbling a bit.
 
...and now pesky Kansas back from the dead, knocking off stumbling Texas Tech.

The whole league might just finish 9-9, requiring many coin flips for tourney seeding. 😁
 
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@azfan while you were busy talking smack about Colorado and Utah, you forgot to worry about BYU. Somehow might be some karma involved here, I'm not quite sure how that works.
 
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