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Mr. French said:
Truly baffled how anyone, regardless of prior political affiliation, can have that opinion. I know plenty that do, unfortunately some that are very close to me, and it just literally confuses me to no end.

He also said the only way to not BECOME completely embarrassing as a country is to stand pat. Whewwww.
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Mau isn't exactly a thinker.
 
Scoe said:
Yankees should just play 3 vs the Orioles in the Bronx, would make sense travel wise as the Orioles just played 3 games in Fenway.
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That’s about to happen. But baseball scheduling isn’t meant to be like musical chairs.
 
superjohn said:
Mau isn't exactly a thinker.
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What’s crazy is you think you are? You are, the furthest thing from it SJ. Sorry you disagree shows you’re not a good person at all. I feel different so I’m not a thinker? Ok wow then to me you’re a total jerk for not thinking the same as me right? Make some sense dude. For once
 
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Getting back to the baseball season, or whatever you want to call this year. I would hate to be the GMs of the teams that get affected by the virus. Yes, you have a 40 man roster and 30 guys at basically extended spring training that you can call on to replace the guys who are positive.

The hard part gets to be deciding who to bring up. Is the guy on the 40 man roster? If not, who do you drop off of the 40 man? How many options does the player have left before they have to go through waivers? Do I want my top young prospects, who may not be ready to play in the bigs, sent up, which starts their clock for arbitration and free agency? I don't know if MLB has changed these rules for this year or not.

MLB is also going to need a massive spreadsheet to keep track of the ever changing schedule with the postponed games. And just think, this is the first week.
 
mauconnfan said:
Not starting here but let’s go to the guy who won’t remember his name the day after and to those who will pull the strings who care more about ice cream than our country. Again regardless of prior political affiliation it is baffling we would even think to put this moron in office. Wow people are lost!!

I mean I get everyone has a vote and opinion. It’s too bad we really haven’t had a solid candidate in many many years kind of strange. FYI I have no political affiliation. Overall sad state of affairs for our country in so many ways.
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He won’t remember his name the day after what? The election? So is he going to remember his name all the days between now and the election, and then that day he won’t remember? Or he does he not remember each day now?

BTW you saying you have “no political affiliation“ and thinking we got it right in 2016 is the funniest thing you‘ve every posted in almost 30K posts, so kudos.
 
Pawsox said:
Getting back to the baseball season, or whatever you want to call this year. I would hate to be the GMs of the teams that get affected by the virus. Yes, you have a 40 man roster and 30 guys at basically extended spring training that you can call on to replace the guys who are positive.

The hard part gets to be deciding who to bring up. Is the guy on the 40 man roster? If not, who do you drop off of the 40 man? How many options does the player have left before they have to go through waivers? Do I want my top young prospects, who may not be ready to play in the bigs, sent up, which starts their clock for arbitration and free agency? I don't know if MLB has changed these rules for this year or not.

MLB is also going to need a massive spreadsheet to keep track of the ever changing schedule with the postponed games. And just think, this is the first week.
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Add to this they are already thinking of “winning percentage” as a way to figure out playoff teams as many may not get their 60 games in. Crazy year no matter how this one ends. Really hope a small salary team wins for once, why not?
 
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Do they know why the Marlins players tested positive yet? There might be some underlying foolish and avoidable behavior

Furthermore, are they asymptomatic? What if they're all healthy in a few days and nobody else is critically ill because of them? What should be done then?

Seems like just another bump in the road to me, but we should know more soon enough. I'll be looking for facts to help mold my opinion. I'll never look to the press to tell me the truth, they're genetically incapable of doing that.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Yeah I saw the post I just have absolutely no idea what it means.
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I think he's talking about Nancy Pelosi? Just an odd statement overall but I guess because people saw ice cream in her freezer once, and they made a big issue out of it, that means all she cares about is ice cream over country?

It's confusing, but then again I don't let Fox News tell me what fake things to be in an uproar about in order to hide the President's insanity, so I guess that makes it a bit more difficult to decipher when I haven't heard that talking point already this morning.
 
Sweden had the correct approach. They have reached herd immunity, as evidenced by fast dwindling case and death numbers.
 
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alphasigko said:
Sweden had the correct approach. They have reached herd immunity, as evidenced by fast dwindling case and death numbers.
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Not sure if you are joking. Sweden has become the global model of how NOT to handle this virus. They killed a magnitude more people than their direct neighbors who have equally low new cases and new deaths. The estimates say that about 10% of the Swedish population have antibodies. Not anywhere close to the 60-70% needed for herd immunity. It now appears that achieving herd immunity with this virus is at the very least not likely if not feasible altogether. To top it off, Sweden has not seen any economic advantage to keeping things relatively open.
 
Peacefrog said:
Not sure if you are joking. Sweden has become the global model of how NOT to handle this virus. They killed a magnitude more people than their direct neighbors who have equally low new cases and new deaths. The estimates say that about 10% of the Swedish population have antibodies. Not anywhere close to the 60-70% needed for herd immunity. It now appears that achieving herd immunity with this virus is at the very least not likely if not feasible altogether. To top it off, Sweden has not seen any economic advantage to keeping things relatively open.
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You have no clue how many people in Sweden have antibodies.

Sweden's economy has held up better than anyone.
 
alphasigko said:
Sweden had the correct approach. They have reached herd immunity, as evidenced by fast dwindling case and death numbers.
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Sweden has the correct approach to health care and taxes
 
superjohn said:
You have no clue how many people in Sweden have antibodies.

Sweden's economy has held up better than anyone.
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As to part one of your answer, its the numbers reported by Sweden themselves. They probably have a better idea than either of us.

As to the second part of your answer, I believe you're just factually wrong. Saw info I believe in The Economist and two other articles. Their economy did not perform demonstrably better than their neighbors.

Sweden has been an interesting and useful data point. I believe their medical community other than those who own the decision to take no precautionary measures, are admitting it was the wrong approach. Maybe it was worth a try but it didn't work. More sickness. More death. No herd immunity. No economic benefit.
 
Peacefrog said:
Not sure if you are joking. Sweden has become the global model of how NOT to handle this virus. They killed a magnitude more people than their direct neighbors who have equally low new cases and new deaths. The estimates say that about 10% of the Swedish population have antibodies. Not anywhere close to the 60-70% needed for herd immunity. It now appears that achieving herd immunity with this virus is at the very least not likely if not feasible altogether. To top it off, Sweden has not seen any economic advantage to keeping things relatively open.
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realclimatescience.com

Sweden’s Economy Spared

One of the favorite lies of COVID alarmists is that Sweden not locking down didn’t help their economy. Sweden’s light-touch Covid-19 approach spared economy, says SEB chief Another lie is that Swed…
realclimatescience.com
 
alphasigko said:
realclimatescience.com

Sweden’s Economy Spared

One of the favorite lies of COVID alarmists is that Sweden not locking down didn’t help their economy. Sweden’s light-touch Covid-19 approach spared economy, says SEB chief Another lie is that Swed…
realclimatescience.com
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Thank god for socialized health care and 60% top end progressive tax rates, and 30% capital gains taxes. amirite?
 
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alphasigko said:
realclimatescience.com

Sweden’s Economy Spared

One of the favorite lies of COVID alarmists is that Sweden not locking down didn’t help their economy. Sweden’s light-touch Covid-19 approach spared economy, says SEB chief Another lie is that Swed…
realclimatescience.com
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Well, I'm not sure what to make of all that. I am always open to having my mind changed but I simply don't know these sources and the fact that one of them goes with the byline: "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" isn't encouraging . Doesn't sound real credible does it? One of the articles actually supports my statement that antibody levels in Sweden are far too low (even lower than I originally stated) to have herd immunity. Simply having reduced deaths says nothing about having actually reached herd immunity. There are all kinds of ways to get the death rate down ie: masks, social distancing, locking ourselves in our houses forever...

Have you sought out the opposing view? I think we can all agree that The Economist is reputable and pretty impartial. I suggest you see what publications like that have to say. It might change your mind. I also get frustrated with the "mainstream" media and agree that there is often a bias. But unfortunately, the alternative to mainstream is often crazy, wingnut stuff. Someone tried to change my mind yesterday by sending me something from Breitbart for God's sake. Again, the majority of the country's own medical establishment is saying it was a mistake.

*adding some snippets from the BBC. Seems to point to declining cases/deaths due to Swedes increasing social distancing measures like the rest of us, not from herd immunity. Also, shows Swedish economy not demonstrably outperforming its Nordic neighbors:

Are Swedes better at social distancing?
Anders Tegnell says his modelling indicates that, on average, Swedes have around 30% of the social interactions they did prior to the pandemic.

And a survey released this week by Sweden's Civil Contingencies Agency suggests 87% of the population are continuing to follow social distancing recommendations to the same extent as they were one or two weeks earlier, up from 82% a month ago.

How's the Swedish economy doing?
The strategy was not designed to protect the economy either, but the government argued keeping more of society open could limit job losses and mitigate the impact on business.

Research from Scandinavian bank SEB in April suggested Swedes were spending at a higher rate than consumers in neighbouring Nordic nations.

Despite this, various forecasts predict the Swedish economy will still shrink by about 5% this year. That's less than other countries hit hard by Covid-19 such as Italy, Spain and the UK, but still similar to the rest of Scandinavia. Sweden's unemployment rate of 9% remains the highest in the Nordics, up from 7.1% in March.

So, whom to believe? I would love to believe that Sweden has achieved herd immunity but there doesn't seem to be direct evidence that that is the case. I'm hopeful that things like T-cell and B-cell memory can play a big role because even those who have antibodies only keep them for a matter of weeks to a few months. Their economy doesn't seem to be outperforming their neighbors and they drastically cut down social interactions whether mandated or not. One difference that you can point to is that they had 10x the number of deaths. Even if you take out effects of elder care facilities they are way higher. Nobody is challenging that.
 
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