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fleudslipcon said:
If the selection of the presidential candidates in 2016 is any indication than we might be better off without education. The sad thing is I’m only partly joking.

And for the record @August_West I want to clarify a position I made about climate change which I got the impression bothered you. Perhaps you don’t remember. I bring it up only because the position I took in a debate regarding climate change is consistent with my post in 182. If you don’t recall the gist of that position I won’t say more.
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Fleud I dont remember what I had for lunch.
 
Mr. French said:
The thing about closing things down that people seem to be either not accounting for (my opinion) or just flat out missing as a major point is that too many people in our country have proven to be incapable of safely managing this thing on their own... if everyone was safe and doing the right things to manage it, I'd agree, shutting things down isn't a necessity.

When you have chuckle heads doing whatever they want in the name of freedom, rights or just flat out selfish behavior or lack of understanding the seriousness, then it gets out of control and spreads like wildfire. My opinion is in that specific situation, unfortunately, you need to do what NY and CT has done which is FORCE people to act smartly, in the name of public health.

If I trusted our citizens to do the right things like I used to, and also trusted our federal government to lead people in the right ways ethically and safely, then this is a much different conversation.
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It's back in Spain now. Will be back in other parts of Europe too. Cases rising in MA now. The rest of the northeast will see increases in the late summer and fall. Wait until college opens up and people from all over go to new places.

The idea was 15 days to flatten the curve. It's now over 150 days. Somehow the initial premise: "let's not overwhelm our hospitals" turned into "lets quarantine until this goes away or there is a cure". I continue to believe what I believed then, it has to run through the population. There isn't any other outcome. This will probably be with us for the rest of our lives. Maybe there is a vaccine, but a vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting it, it just helps you fight it off. Already treatment is much better than it was in the spring and is improving. As we get to the point where treatment is a little better still (Nitric Oxide maybe), we need to just shelter the truly at risk and otherwise live normal lives. I'm doing all the "right things", but humans were never designed to live this way. Modern society isn't set up to do this for very long.

NFL players opting out of the season in pretty significant numbers. You can bet the situation with the Marlins is driving that in part.
 
methodology said:
Read post #127. Returning to school could be more detrimental
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Ah yes, the celebrity testimonial. I think a quick google search could yield all sorts of varying opinions on the Psychological implications of long-term remote learning. I see that you at least acknowledge the possibility that we are doing more harm than good for our children.
 
auggie22 said:
Ah yes, the celebrity testimonial. I think a quick google search could yield all sorts of varying opinions on the Psychological implications of long-term remote learning. I see that you at least acknowledge the possibility that we are doing more harm than good for our children.
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I have a 4 year old so I'm living this. She is hurt she can't see/ play with her friend from school.
 
August_West said:
Fleud I dont remember what I had for lunch.
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Well let’s just say I remember your position on the matter and although I didn’t indicate it at the time I am in agreement for the most part with that position.

And if you can’t remember what you had for lunch than it’s obvious you did not go to Arby.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
If the selection of the presidential candidates in 2016 is any indication than we might be better off without education. The sad thing is I’m only partly joking.

And for the record @August_West I want to clarify a position I made about climate change which I got the impression bothered you. Perhaps you don’t remember. I bring it up only because the position I took in a debate regarding climate change is consistent with my post in 182. If you don’t recall the gist of that position I won’t say more.
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The funny thing is that neither the one that took over in 2016 or the one running against were any treats but we did get it right in the situation. The one prior sucked too so it hasn't been a good run for our country but the only way to at least not be embarrassing completely as a country is to stand pat. Sad thing is I am not joking :rolleyes:

As far as Covid man I just like reading everyone's opinion and some of the "facts" thrown out here. I have none because I just don't know anything more than this is the craziest of times in my 60 year run, just totally whacked.
 
Deepster said:
God, what a stupid line of thinking.

You can die driving to work. You can also increase that risk driving recklessly, driving drunk, driving fast or driving blindfolded. Life isn't risk free but you can also MANAGE some risk. Anyone who throws logic to the wind and says "Oh well! I could die driving a car." is a fool.
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You can manage your risk of getting skin cancer to nearly 0 if you never leave your house and stay away from your windows. Of course you arguably would not have a life that is much worth living.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Well let’s just say I remember your position on the matter and although I didn’t indicate it at the time I am in agreement for the most part with that position.

And if you can’t remember what you had for lunch than it’s obvious you did not go to Arby.
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totally didn’t have Arby’s but this time next week I’ll be in a Midwest Arby’s so stay tuned For “ lunch thread with Adub”
 
The states that seem to be getting the worst of it this summer also seem to be the states that were doing the best in the spring. I would wager they will again be the states that are doing the best once the fall rolls around. It really is indoor living in the summer months in those states, and the air conditioned spaces are I think a breeding ground for the spread of respiratory viruses. I think the weather as much as anything else is the culprit.
 
HuskyHawk said:
It's back in Spain now. Will be back in other parts of Europe too. Cases rising in MA now. The rest of the northeast will see increases in the late summer and fall. Wait until college opens up and people from all over go to new places.
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A bit of overstatement and jumping to conclusions. Cases in MA are not actually confirmed to be rising, despite what some alarmists claim. 7-day weighted test positivity has hovered between 1.7% and 2% for over a month, number of hospitalized patients continues to trend down, and 3-day weighted deaths continues slight downward trend for last 30 days.

There's no confirmation that the rest of the northeast "will" see increases later this summer and fall.

As states begin to adopt better public health measure enforcement strategy, the situation can improve. Rather than targeting entire sectors of an economy (shut all gyms, all restaurants, etc.) instead target and shut down those who aren't complying. If there's confirmed evidence via contact tracing that a specific sector is causing large rates of infection, then shut it down.

There's increasing evidence that the upticks in certain parts of the northeast are tied to specific events that aer often private, not broad-range sectors. For instance, these fools who operated a party boat in Boston got a cease and desist order. There's the absurd Chainsmokers concert in the Hamptons. There was a house party on Cape Cod that turned into a cluster.

In states like ours where the numbers were effectively brought down very low, one of the key ways to prevent them from rising are stamping out the individual egregious violations rather than applying one-size-fits-all solutions that have broad economic detrimental impact. They also breed support from the public of public health measures. The outcry up here over the boat party + cease and desist has been overwhelmingly negative for the company, not government officials. Same thing for the Chainsmokers concert. They're getting ripped to shreds on the internet for playing that show.
 
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Are any of the Marlins sick or did they just test positive?

I've checked and haven't seen this covered in any article.
 
Palatine said:
Are any of the Marlins sick or did they just test positive?

I've checked and haven't seen this covered in any article.
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It’s been reported by a MLB beat guy that not all the players are asymptomatic...
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
SMH.
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Truly baffled how anyone, regardless of prior political affiliation, can have that opinion. I know plenty that do, unfortunately some that are very close to me, and it just literally confuses me to no end.

He also said the only way to not BECOME completely embarrassing as a country is to stand pat. Whewwww.
 
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brasssbonanzaa said:
A bit of overstatement and jumping to conclusions. Cases in MA are not actually confirmed to be rising, despite what some alarmists claim. 7-day weighted test positivity has hovered between 1.7% and 2% for over a month, number of hospitalized patients continues to trend down, and 3-day weighted deaths continues slight downward trend for last 30 days.
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Who knows where we go from here. But in MA per the COVID dashboard you linked, there have been 0 deaths related to this under age 20. And looks like 51 deaths under age 40. The average age of death from COVID in MA is 82. On the flip side, we (MA) now have the highest unemployment rate in the country which comes with its own set of problems both economic and health wise. A vaccine will not make this go away. I have no idea what the answer is and if there is a balance. If ONE death is too many from this (and I've lost 2 relatives to this thing) then we are going to be in this state of being for years and years. Hypothetical - what if we completely lock down for like 90 days. The virus dissipates but then in April three kids at UConn (or some large school) test positive and have been at parties, sporting events, classes, lunch, dinner, etc. Do we send everyone home from school or lock them down where they are for 3 weeks?
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
A bit of overstatement and jumping to conclusions. Cases in MA are not actually confirmed to be rising, despite what some alarmists claim. 7-day weighted test positivity has hovered between 1.7% and 2% for over a month, number of hospitalized patients continues to trend down, and 3-day weighted deaths continues slight downward trend for last 30 days.

There's no confirmation that the rest of the northeast "will" see increases later this summer and fall.

As states begin to adopt better public health measure enforcement strategy, the situation can improve. Rather than targeting entire sectors of an economy (shut all gyms, all restaurants, etc.) instead target and shut down those who aren't complying. If there's confirmed evidence via contact tracing that a specific sector is causing large rates of infection, then shut it down.

There's increasing evidence that the upticks in certain parts of the northeast are tied to specific events that aer often private, not broad-range sectors. For instance, these fools who operated a party boat in Boston got a cease and desist order. There's the absurd Chainsmokers concert in the Hamptons. There was a house party on Cape Cod that turned into a cluster.

In states like ours where the numbers were effectively brought down very low, one of the key ways to prevent them from rising are stamping out the individual egregious violations rather than applying one-size-fits-all solutions that have broad economic detrimental impact. They also breed support from the public of public health measures. The outcry up here over the boat party + cease and desist has been overwhelmingly negative for the company, not government officials. Same thing for the Chainsmokers concert. They're getting ripped to shreds on the internet for playing that show.
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I think we are on the same page overall. The point really is that the virus is still around, still can be spread. I think as we go inside when it gets colder, we will see more spread here. That is merely my own opinion. There are people who seem to think if we just lock down it goes away, those are the people I think need to realize that isn't going to happen.

I think Baker has done well to refuse to dial back opening, but instead shut down those who won't follow protocols. But those events still lead to spread, and that spread could go wider. It doesn't take many super spreader events to increase the overall R.

Get to a level of open and safe that we can maintain for the next two years and stay there. That is why I think schools need to open, because I don't think we can keep then shut for two years or more. It isn't viable for kids or parents. Kids in my neighborhood play with their friends. My teen daughter sees two neighborhood friends in person from time to time. I don't believe that to be high risk.
 
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Mr. French said:
Truly baffled how anyone, regardless of prior political affiliation, can have that opinion. I know plenty that do, unfortunately some that are very close to me, and it just literally confuses me to no end.

He also said the only way to not BECOME completely embarrassing as a country is to stand pat. Whewwww.
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Not starting here but let’s go to the guy who won’t remember his name the day after and to those who will pull the strings who care more about ice cream than our country. Again regardless of prior political affiliation it is baffling we would even think to put this genius in office. Wow people are lost!!

I mean I get everyone has a vote and opinion. It’s too bad we really haven’t had a solid candidate in many many years kind of strange. FYI I have no political affiliation. Overall sad state of affairs for our country in so many ways.
 
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Mr. French said:
Truly baffled how anyone, regardless of prior political affiliation, can have that opinion. I know plenty that do, unfortunately some that are very close to me, and it just literally confuses me to no end.

He also said the only way to not BECOME completely embarrassing as a country is to stand pat. Whewwww.
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Mau isn't exactly a thinker.
 
Scoe said:
Yankees should just play 3 vs the Orioles in the Bronx, would make sense travel wise as the Orioles just played 3 games in Fenway.
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That’s about to happen. But baseball scheduling isn’t meant to be like musical chairs.
 
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superjohn said:
Mau isn't exactly a thinker.
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What’s crazy is you think you are? You are, the furthest thing from it SJ. Sorry you disagree shows you’re not a good person at all. I feel different so I’m not a thinker? Ok wow then to me you’re a total jerk for not thinking the same as me right? Make some sense dude. For once
 
Getting back to the baseball season, or whatever you want to call this year. I would hate to be the GMs of the teams that get affected by the virus. Yes, you have a 40 man roster and 30 guys at basically extended spring training that you can call on to replace the guys who are positive.

The hard part gets to be deciding who to bring up. Is the guy on the 40 man roster? If not, who do you drop off of the 40 man? How many options does the player have left before they have to go through waivers? Do I want my top young prospects, who may not be ready to play in the bigs, sent up, which starts their clock for arbitration and free agency? I don't know if MLB has changed these rules for this year or not.

MLB is also going to need a massive spreadsheet to keep track of the ever changing schedule with the postponed games. And just think, this is the first week.
 
mauconnfan said:
Not starting here but let’s go to the guy who won’t remember his name the day after and to those who will pull the strings who care more about ice cream than our country. Again regardless of prior political affiliation it is baffling we would even think to put this genius in office. Wow people are lost!!

I mean I get everyone has a vote and opinion. It’s too bad we really haven’t had a solid candidate in many many years kind of strange. FYI I have no political affiliation. Overall sad state of affairs for our country in so many ways.
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He won’t remember his name the day after what? The election? So is he going to remember his name all the days between now and the election, and then that day he won’t remember? Or he does he not remember each day now?

BTW you saying you have “no political affiliation“ and thinking we got it right in 2016 is the funniest thing you‘ve every posted in almost 30K posts, so kudos.
 
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