OT: Baseball is screwed!

[Rico444]

I disagree, I think kids not being in school for this prolonged amount of time is creating a lost generation of kids. They aren't being educated and socialized, physical and sexual abuse is way up. They aren't really dying from the virus but children are by far the biggest casualty of the virus.

You disagree that a lot of adults are going to die? It hasn't been proven that kids don't spread this disease, and as long as that's the case, opening up schools will put a ton of teachers, aides, nurses, administrators, AND older people that live with kids at home in danger.

 

[huskymedic]

Yes, this is already not true. Sorry, I can't recall the source but I was reading an article in the last week or so that was specifically describing instances of children transmitting the disease to adults.

South Korea via NYT?
>>A large new study from South Korea offers an answer: Children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero. And those between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do.<<

 

[Peacefrog]

South Korea via NYT?
>>A large new study from South Korea offers an answer: Children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero. And those between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do.<<

Thanks, that's the one.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Thanks, that's the one.

Here is another one.

German study shows low coronavirus infection rate in schools

Very few of 2,000 school children and teachers tested in the German state of Saxony showed antibodies to COVID-19, a study found on Monday, suggesting schools may not play as big a role in spreading the virus as some had feared.

www.reuters.com

 

[superjohn]

You disagree that a lot of adults are going to die? It hasn't been proven that kids don't spread this disease, and as long as that's the case, opening up schools will put a ton of teachers, aides, nurses, administrators, AND older people that live with kids at home in danger.

I disagree with your assertion that kids at home is less of a disaster than kids at school.

 

[TXHuskyFan]

Correct. Been in the Dallas area 27 years

 

[Dogdeacon]

I'm not following the 'Europe' schools. Which countries exactly are back at school and what were their infection rates prior to re-starting?

Most US company offices aren't comfortable opening at anything >50% yet, and most people don't want to use public transportation. Plus Just like the sports, certain ACHIEVABLE protocols and ENFORCEABLE safety measures have to be in place for opening schools to work without leading to more shutdowns and statistically inevitable bad outcomes. Yet most of those clamoring for schools to OPEN!! don't want to even spend the thought necessary to figure out what is possible and safe. As soon as it gets hard or the possibility of following a plan which may lead to scaling back is laid out, may reactions are 'just live with it' which comes off as an odds playing self-interested response.

I've seen schools (private) with good comprehensive plans for operating, but for public schools what is safe isn't yet possible. Simply changing the wording might help, instead of we have to open schools how about we want to OPERATE schools as productively as possible. This hopefully includes as much in-person learning as plausible, but the goal is teaching children not just sending them to a building. And of course decisions are a super local dependent on conditions on the ground, resources etc..

 

[InTheRed]

I love baseball and I really wanted them to try but I have been enjoying the games with the expectation that they are just a temporary diversion. I have no expectation of a world series champion being crowned. Too many people either believe they wont get it or that it wont do any damage to them for us to control this without a bubble.

 

[Rico444]

I disagree with your assertion that kids at home is less of a disaster than kids at school.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but the amount of spreading that sending these kids back to school will facilitate is not worth it to me. Our country has not controlled this virus like many others has, so comparing what could happen here to what has happened in countries where the virus has much lower numbers is irrelevant.

 

[freescooter]

Where are all the dead and brain damaged kids? The virus has been around for 6 months, we should see evidence by now of all these dead kids, schools have been open in Europe for a while and I still haven't seen evidence from there either.

There have been an admittedly small number but a number none the less of very ill children but as long as it’s someone else’s kid not a problem. Kids over 10 seem to be carriers though. So as long as they don’t have older/sicker parents, grandparent, siblings, teachers, school paras and support staff or others again no problem. Now in the real world...

 

[superjohn]

There have been an admittedly small number but a number none the less of very ill children but as long as it’s someone else’s kid not a problem. Kids over 10 seem to be carriers though. So as long as they don’t have older/sicker parents, grandparent, siblings, teachers, school paras and support staff or others again no problem. Now in the real world...

144 kids died from the flu this season in the US before a single person of any age died from Covid, I'm sure you did your "as long as it's someone else's kid not a problem" routine.

This has always been about protecting old and sick people from the virus, spare me the I don't care about sick children stuff.

 

[UCfor3]

144 kids died from the flu this season in the US before a single person of any age died from Covid, I'm sure you did your "as long as it's someone else's kid not a problem" routine.

This has always been about protecting old and sick people from the virus, spare me the I don't care about sick children stuff.

Healthy people get sick and die from Covid. It has not always been about just protecting old and sick people. Even if it has been about that, the way to do that is by mitigating the spread by any means necessary. Kids in school does the opposite of that. Kids in school in Florida right now has disaster written all over it for a variety of reasons, some not about the kids themselves. I get there are downsides of not sending them to school but the downside of sending them seems so much more catastrophic. Worried about socializing and stunted learning is a legit concern. Child care a legit concern. At the risk of getting a bit dark for a second, potentially dead Mommy or Daddy seems like a worse outcome/concern. Just my opinion like you have yours.

 

[August_West]

144 kids died from the flu this season in the US before a single person of any age died from Covid, I'm sure you did your "as long as it's someone else's kid not a problem" routine.

This has always been about protecting old and sick people from the virus, spare me the I don't care about sick children stuff.

dont go full chud. Please. Youre not that.

Thats like the Tuberculosis meme "why dont we wear masks and quarantine for TB". Its lowest common denominator stuff. You realize that. I know you do.

 

[dogpause]

If baseball is screwed, football and basketball are going to have an even bigger problem.

 

[M.S.G.]

I didn't want to assume, but that's what I figured...

 

[ctchamps]

Here is another one.

German study shows low coronavirus infection rate in schools

Very few of 2,000 school children and teachers tested in the German state of Saxony showed antibodies to COVID-19, a study found on Monday, suggesting schools may not play as big a role in spreading the virus as some had feared.

www.reuters.com

Germany can do this because they are well below the 5% thresh hold, have adequate testing that is more accurate than us and they get test results back quickly. Additionally they have adequate contact tracing to isolate individuals if an outbreak is detected. This country has some areas that have achieved these conditions and they can begin sending children to schools. Alcoa Tennessee is one of those communities. And they are prepared to immediately stop if their numbers go above the threshold. That is not the case with the vast majority of communities in this country.

Some of us continue to blame Covid-19 for the poor state of our economy. That is only partially correct. The handling of this pandemic by our leadership as well as many Americans from all walks of life not taking it seriously has been the primary destructive force.

Our inadequate response to this disease has put us at a serious disadvantage to those countries that have responded with science as opposed to carelessness or politics.

 

[superjohn]

dont go full chud. Please. Youre not that.

Thats like the Tuberculosis meme "why dont we wear masks and quarantine for TB". Its lowest common denominator stuff. You realize that. I know you do.

Not at all, how is that full chud? I'm going off of number of deaths, I'm going off docs and scientists, I'm going off of kids in school around the world. You get hung up on the word flu like Nelson does. It's not refutable, the flu is more deadly for children than Covid is. This is about protecting old and sick people, it's not about protecting kids.

The average age of death is around 80 years old, the overwhelming majority of people who die from it have multiple comorbidities. You're the one who threw out death and brain damage, show me the numbers of deaths and brain damage for children.

It blows my mind how little thought is being paid to the damage being done to kids. 4 out of 10 Chicago kids have received no education. You add that to no socialization, abuse at home, missing meals etc. and it's an enormous disaster. It bothers me that many of the same people fighting for social justice are demanding our schools stay closed. Black and brown kids are the ones who suffer the most, further left behind their peers.

 

[Peacefrog]

On the upside for baseball, Nick Ahmed just ripped a line-drive single to center.

 

[Chin Diesel]

On the upside for baseball, Nick Ahmed just ripped a line-drive single to center.

There is an entire forum for talking actual baseball. Let's keep the baseball talk there. This forum is all about basketball.

 

[methodology]

Healthy people get sick and die from Covid. It has not always been about just protecting old and sick people. Even if it has been about that, the way to do that is by mitigating the spread by any means necessary. Kids in school does the opposite of that. Kids in school in Florida right now has disaster written all over it for a variety of reasons, some not about the kids themselves. I get there are downsides of not sending them to school but the downside of sending them seems so much more catastrophic. Worried about socializing and stunted learning is a legit concern. Child care a legit concern. At the risk of getting a bit dark for a second, potentially dead Mommy or Daddy seems like a worse outcome/concern. Just my opinion like you have yours.

You could also implement year round schooling for couple years to make up for the lost time during this period. IMO the risk of sending kids back to school outweighs the lost learning. And it's not so much the kids safety as it is the teachers, counselors, coaches, parents of kids, grandparents of kids, etc

 

[Peacefrog]

"There is an entire forum for talking actual baseball. Let's keep the baseball talk there. This forum is all about basketball. "

Sure thing boss but maybe re-check the title of this thread. Just trying to inject a little UConn-related positive spin into a thread that has become testy.

 

[TXHuskyFan]

I still don’t understand who will be teaching these kids 4 weeks from now when 10% of the teachers have COVID and the remainder are in quarantine???

 

[BrysonDeMan]

I have elementary-aged kids and I agree with sj.

agreed and there are plenty of stats showing the low risk for kids 10 and under. we've done a month+ at summer camp (indoors and out) with counselors masked and there have been no problems. if done correctly it can work

 

[ctchamps]

144 kids died from the flu this season in the US before a single person of any age died from Covid, I'm sure you did your "as long as it's someone else's kid not a problem" routine.

This has always been about protecting old and sick people from the virus, spare me the I don't care about sick children stuff.

Initially we did not know who was vulnerable and what were the underlying conditions that increased the probabilities of severe illness or death.

We knew from Italy that their hospital systems were overwhelmed and some people were dying because they couldn’t get admitted. Until researchers could have more time to understand the virus the original argument was to “flatten the curve” to avoid overwhelming our medical system.

The northeast demonstrated who was most at risk. Science began refining our knowledge of this disease. We have eliminated some forms of treatment and introduced others. That understanding has been a major contributor to reducing fatalities even amongst the most vulnerable.

If Americans reacted similarly to South Korea, Singapore, Japan, Iceland, Finland, Canada, New Zealand we would not be having this thread. Add Italy and Spain to that list. Instead we are like Brazil and Mexico.

We have models of how to proceed until there are better medical treatments. The southern and western states have demonstrated that placing economy over the requirements to keep this disease under control is the recipe for destroying the economy.

 

[TXHuskyFan]

Probably as made up as all the “pediatricians” advocating sending kids to school during a pandemic, but here is another view that has not been mentioned:

A therapist’s perspective has been absent regarding children’s mental health in the debate to open schools or not. This is posted with permission from a therapist in Maryland, Jean Ann, LCMFT, RPT, CFPT.

As a child and family therapist, I strongly disagree with the arguments that "schools should reopen for children's emotional health". No version of this situation is good for children's mental well-being, so we are choosing between bad situations here. Calls to open up schools are shorted sighted and illogical. Here are some things bad for emotional health about reopening:

- Children experiencing so much more death of their loved ones, friend's loved ones, and community members.

- Having to obey rigid and developmentally inappropriate behavioral expectations to maintain social distancing for hours at a time.

- Restricting their engagement with their peers even though those peers are right in front of them.

- Having to constantly actively participate in cleaning rituals that keep their community trauma present with them

- Somehow having to have the executive functioning within all of this to meet educational standards and possibly experiencing overwhelm, shame, and self-doubt when they reasonably can't

- Being unable to receive age appropriate comfort from teachers and staff when dysregulated from all of this, thereby experiencing attachment injuries daily.

- Lack of any predictability as COVID takes staff members for weeks at a time with no warning while children wonder if that staff will die as well as the looming threat of going to back into quarantine any random day

Returning to school as things are now is NOT better for children's mental health. It is a complete rationalization by people who are uncomfortable with children not engaging in productivity culture. The majority of schooling NEEDS to stay virtual to protect our children and teachers and to make room for the safe return of the populations of students who actually do need to be in person.