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Yankees should just play 3 vs the Orioles in the Bronx, would make sense travel wise as the Orioles just played 3 games in Fenway.
 
UCfor3 said:
That's kind of the point though. Baseball is not essential. There is a lot of real estate between life must go on and play baseball so we have something to watch on TV. I want life back as much as anyone, but if we continue with half measures this will only extend longer.
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What is essential is irrelevant really. Every job is essential to the people who have those jobs. Baseball players have very short careers. The case for college sports is much weaker, but you still have players who will potentially miss their window.

As @superjohn said, at some point we will need to just accept that this disease is out there and people get it and move on with living normal lives. I don't think we are there yet, but people thinking it is going away, even in places with low spread, aren't being realistic. Whether half measures or full measures, this is still going to extend indefinitely.
 
Pawsox said:
It probably is wishful thinking on my part considering how pitiful the Red Sox starting rotation is this year. It could be a "long" short season for the Sox. I'll just have to reminisce about the 4 series wins in the 2000s!
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Unfortunately pitching is a disaster and will be all year, and the offense is not loaded with enough weapons to cover for it. Not impressed with the managers moves already 3 games in. Ownership is not interested in winning and looking to milk the past.
 
Who thinks it's going away? The states that "got on with their life" are hotspots now. Miles between Connecticut or Europe and what we see in Florida now. Having sports outside a bubble in hotspot states is destined to fail right now. Do the work now and you have a chance later on. It's hard feeling bad for millionaire baseball players missing a year when them playing affects so many people other than themselves. Millions are out of work. Players missing a season barely registers. They will still be insured even without playing unlike other people. I do feel bad for all the minor league players though.
 
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Pawsox said:
Hopefully, Joel Sherman is wrong saying it is cancelled and not just postponed. Big difference between those two words.
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it was originally announced as canceled but they are now using postponed.

 
August_West said:
Do teachers have that option this fall?
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Yes and no.. Depending on having pre-existing conditions and if you're tenured the union has sent us emails saying it's an available option. However, I would imagine the paper trail needed would be extraordinary.

As far as baseball, it was a matter of time. With loose rules pretty much up and down the board, leaving these guys to their own devices it hasn't shocked me to see 3-4 guys pop up as positive per day.

It was fun while it lasted! This weekend was fun as hell being able to flip around on the MLB ticket from game to game all afternoon and evening... Oh well!
 
When u slide over the back fence to go to a strip club, u'r asking for it. Whatever u believe on the guidlines, pro athletes don't have both oars in the water.

With politics re-introduced into pro sports, attendance, even TV watching, will plummet. Krapchick lesson went unheeded.
 
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We need a complete and total lockdown, i.e., no citizens leaving their houses for any reason whatsoever, until midnight madness. #casualfan
 
Look at it this way: ATL plays Miami last week in a scrimmage for a few games. ATL plays the Mets. Miami plays the Phillies. Yanks play Phillies and Mets are in Boston. Symptoms can take 5-14 days to start showing and usually 5-7 days for a positive test. That means just this week alone the Marlins, Mets, Phillies, Braves, Yanks and Boston could’ve been exposed. The season won’t be cancelled now (although I wonder if it would’ve been diff had it been the Yanks or dodgers, Cubs, etc instead of the Marlins), but I give it till mid-August latest.
 
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BGesus4 said:
We need a complete and total lockdown, i.e., no citizens leaving their houses for any reason whatsoever, until midnight madness. #casualfan
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This is the only thing that would work or something very close to this. Manfred did a bad job.
 
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UConnMike04 said:
Look at it this way: ATL plays Miami last week in a scrimmage for a few games. ATL plays the Mets. Miami plays the Phillies. Yanks play Phillies and Mets are in Boston. Symptoms can take 5-14 days to start showing and usually 5-7 days for a positive test. That means just this week alone the Marlins, Mets, Phillies, Braves, Yanks and Boston could’ve been exposed. The season won’t be cancelled now (although I wonder if it would’ve been diff had it been the Yanks or dodgers, Cubs, etc instead of the Marlins), but I give it till mid-August latest.
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Not to derail this thread, but this sort of thing just makes it obvious that kids going back to school is going to be a disaster.
 
Rico444 said:
It is, but to a lesser degree. Lots of at-risk teachers, aides, nurses, and adminstration are going to die if kids go back to school.
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I disagree, I think kids not being in school for this prolonged amount of time is creating a lost generation of kids. They aren't being educated and socialized, physical and sexual abuse is way up. They aren't really dying from the virus but children are by far the biggest casualty of the virus.
 
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superjohn said:
I disagree, I think kids not being in school for this prolonged amount of time is creating a lost generation of kids. They aren't being educated and socialized, physical and sexual abuse is way up. They aren't really dying from the virus but children are by far the biggest casualty of the virus.
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Better lost than dead, brain damaged, organ damaged or heart damaged, no?

We simply dont know enough about this virus but what we are learning is it could be terrifying even for survivors.


You dont have kids, do you?
 
August_West said:
Do teachers have that option this fall?
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No. My wife started back today. This morning was spent in conference room with maybe 100 teachers, poor ventilation, barely 3 feet apart, most without masks. We have done everything possible to avoid the virus, but it’s out of our hands now. If she “opted out” of this year, there is a year penalty before she can return, so you lose 2 years. I’d be ok and try to survive without her salary, but it screws up retirement dates, rehire potential, etc. No testing for teachers, staff or students so I have to believe there were several people in that room with Covid.
 
August_West said:
Better lost than dead, brain damaged, organ damaged or heart damaged, no?

We simply dont know enough about this virus but what we are learning is it could be terrifying even for survivors.


You dont have kids, do you?
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I love people who try to argue that kids going to school is saving lives. No proof. Hey, I just drove in my car and didn’t kill someone. I saved lives. In this pandemic I am more believing that stopping the spreading of this virus saves lives. And that happens in hot zones if kids are NOT in school.
 
August_West said:
Better lost than dead, brain damaged, organ damaged or heart damaged, no?

We simply dont know enough about this virus but what we are learning is it could be terrifying even for survivors.


You dont have kids, do you?
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Where are all the dead and brain damaged kids? The virus has been around for 6 months, we should see evidence by now of all these dead kids, schools have been open in Europe for a while and I still haven't seen evidence from there either.
 
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TXHuskyFan said:
No. My wife started back today. This morning was spent in conference room with maybe 100 teachers, poor ventilation, barely 3 feet apart, most without masks. We have done everything possible to avoid the virus, but it’s out of our hands now. If she “opted out” of this year, there is a year penalty before she can return, so you lose 2 years. I’d be ok and try to survive without here salary, but is screws up retirement dates, rehire potential, etc. no testing for teachers, staff or students so I have to believe there were several people in that room with Covid.
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Thats distressing to hear and I hope for the best for you and your family.

When people point to MLB employees having a "choice" as a way of saving an idiotic sports season in the short term (and I love idiotic sports, thats why we are all here on this message board obviously) I cant help but think that there are actual working people in this world that have NO choice, yet so many think baseball is important. And I have to ask? Why? Covid can kill us . No baseball in 2020 may be unpleasant but we can survive that. I may feel like I wanna die when the UConn men's season is subsequently suspended, but Im not actually gonna die from it, loaded team and first season back in BigEast nonwitstanding.
 
superjohn said:
Where are all the dead and brain damaged kids? The virus has been around for 6 months, we should see evidence by now of all these dead kids, schools have been open in Europe for a while and I still haven't seen evidence from there either.
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We should? Are you sure about that?
 
August_West said:
Thats distressing to hear and I hope for the best for you and your family.

When people point to MLB employees having a "choice" as a way of saving an idiotic sports season in the short term (and I love idiotic sports, thats why we are all here on this message board obviously) I cant help but think that there are actual working people in this world that have NO choice, yet so many think baseball is important. And I have to ask? Why? Covid can kill us . No baseball in 2020 may be unpleasant but we can survive that. I may feel like I wanna die when the UConn men's season is subsequently suspended, but Im not actually gonna die from it, loaded team and first season back in BigEast nonwitstanding.
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I get it, but you can die driving to work. You can die from the flu. You can die from pneumonia or bronchitis. And no, this isn't significantly more risky than those are for most people, and is less risky for other people, including kids. Life isn't risk free. People who want to just keep things closed, even baseball are assigning a level of risk to this disease that it doesn't deserve.

Protect the at risk population, definitely. No 66 year old teacher should be teaching in a classroom, put him or her on zoom, hire a 20 year old to watch the class and hand out assignments. My daughter's school is going to employ a version of that.

Meanwhile I see idiotic things like 6 feet apart in a school room. What? Seriously? Distance is irrelevant in a room that small with 20 people in it. Fortunately the results from Europe suggest that kids don't really spread it to adults easily in a classroom situation.
 
You can't approach the school (or MLB) topic with a binary either/or solution. There isn't a "good" option between not sending kids to school and sending them to school. They can't be unilaterally kept home for another four months on a vague premise of "saving lives" because of the demonstrable educational/social/mental/physical detriment. Similarly, you also can't unilaterally send them all to school and just hope nothing bad happens because of the demonstrable risk of major virus spread.

Therefore, solutions tailored to specific schools and towns need to be what happens. Monetary investments in PPE and temporary barriers are essential. Long overdue physical upgrades to school buildings along with some innovative though should occur (should have already) - along the lines of upgraded HVAC, installation of germicidal UV lights to increase safety in a space. Out-of-the-box thinking of use of space in a school building, scheduling, class-passing.

There's too much square peg into round hole planning going on utilizing dated infrastructure and untenable ideas. Everyone can agree the ultimate goal should be to have all children in school - however, that's not likely safe or possible across the board. That doesn't mean leaders and educators should throw their hands up and say ah screw it we'll do it all online again.

Other countries are effectively sending kids to school, albeit in an adjusted manner. It *can* be done, we just have to decide to invest the thought, money, and time to make it happen.

Not to mention, it should be 100% mandatory across the board in every school district at all grade levels that some element of mental health education is a component of the curriculum. The underlying secondary pandemic that no one is paying attention to right now is a mental health one. The least we can do is start addressing it with our kids.
 
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