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BTN is available in HD the Middletown area on Comcast. However it is included in the paid Sports Package add-on. Do you mean that BTN will not be on basic cable until UConn is in the B1G?
What he means is that BTN can only charge a nominal fee to Comcast for coverage (10 cents per subscriber) until UConn is added to the B1G. If UConn is extended an invitation to B1G membership (& accepts-of course) that fee increases (90 cents per subscriber in some B1G member areas. This will put pressure on COX & other entities that don't currently carry BTN to add it to their in state viewing areas at the higher rate. (a.k.a. corporate arm twisting)
 
What he means is that BTN can only charge a nominal fee to Comcast for coverage (10 cents per subscriber) until UConn is added to the B1G. If UConn is extended an invitation to B1G membership (& accepts-of course) that fee increases (90 cents per subscriber in some B1G member areas. This will put pressure on COX & other entities that don't currently carry BTN to add it to their in state viewing areas at the higher rate. (a.k.a. corporate arm twisting)

I know how it works, given what happened with ESPN a few years back (wanting an exhorbinent amt. of $$ / subscriber) as well as the YES Network/MSG and Cablevision and Time Warner...As I said Comcast out of Middletown offers BTN. My question was in regard to going from a paid add-on status to basic cable. I assume that is what he meant.
 
Wow, a 1000 plus post thread optimistically perverting the chances Uconn gets into what will likely be the best overall conference in this realignment mess when all is said and done(revenue, academic and athletic). Unlikely - all that speaks to that is highly Uconn-sided perception and very little national. Read reasonable 3rd party opinions from those not affiliated with Uconn and much of that this info isn't even a spec of what is being considered. Baseline - Uconn is currently a mariginally committed(PP a testament to that) very young football program. They are 122nd ranked research school in the country. Schools like South Florida and Cinci smoke that, so not sure what all the AAU membership confidence is all about. Any chance Uconn gets that is years down the road if it does come. Very unlikely a Big Ten takes a Uconn on top of a risk like Rutgers in believing it helps them with the NYC market. They'll see what comes of Rutgers in seeing that through before adding a Uconn. Rutgers was a risk as an investment to the future/market grasp, but they do satisfy the integrity points as to what Delany has spoken to. Uconn does not.

Uconn ONLY gets into the Big Ten way down the road with an AAU membership, a few whiffs by the Big Ten on first line of targets and seeing some momentum built with football. As much as Uconn is a flagship school to CT, it plays it's hoops in a mall , it's football in an old airport off campus and in a pro sports culture. That's small beans, that's not real collegiate culture. That is not the Big Ten way.

Bottom line, there are much more attractive options out there once the ACC gets further busted up - schools with both better football tradition/programs in college football hotbeds and with more market appeal with appropriate facilities/infrastructure. And there is no reason for the Big Ten to start taking second pickings at this point when they are absolutely in the drivers seat, along with the SEC. They can wait all they want for a Uconn type school because they can have them whenever the hell they want. If we want to use Rutgers as the counter to that, they were a free of charge partner(with a better overall resume) to Maryland in taking the one school they knew would be game to challenge the ACC exit fee.

If Uconn wants to end up in greener pastures, it needs to start picking up it's game. PR/Marketing, a FB coach with a buzz, getting creative/progressive on venues. Start playing games in Foxborough/NYC if asked. It's not like the Rent brings ambience/drawing card. If Uconn wants a trump card to play, it needs to find a way to play itself into becoming THE D1 college football program of the Northeast. Time for the administration to step up - now is your chance to man up at a juncture when real impact can be made.

Uconn has one move and one move only anytime in the near future - that's sliding in as a filler in the ACC, a conference where the hoops value has heavier stock and a conference sitting in insecurity. For Uconn, that is a huge upgrade over it's current situation - it's something to work with. If it gets stuck for any extended time in this new BE hot mess, it will be an uphill battle. 5-7 years down the road in that conference, we may be asking to ditch FB to see if we can salvage our hoops back in the Catholic School league. Let's put the Big Ten stuff to bed - fun to talk about, fun to scour the dredges of optimistic menusche to keep hope alive/drive the pro Uconn rumor mill, but the evidence pointing in opposite direction is ridiculously heavy.
 
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Wow, a 1000 plus post thread optimistically perverting the chances Uconn gets into what will likely be the best overall conference in this realignment mess when all is said and done(revenue, academic and athletic). Unlikely ...fun to talk about, fun to scour the dredges of optimistic menusche to keep hope alive/drive the pro Uconn rumor mill, but the evidence pointing in opposite direction is ridiculously heavy.

No soup for you!
 
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The USS Connecticut has just told RuffRuff to shove it up his Big Lebowski ...
 
Gentlemen, I'd love to be as hopeful and give you credit for diving deep, but logic does not support. Let's just hope the ACC gets ripped off just enough to let us slide in and maintain a semi decent conference long enough whereas Herbst/Manuel can make something of it, buy some time. The university isn't quite ready for Big Ten football anyway - the ACC is about right for now.

I don't care if the CC doesn't have an Old Navy anymore, it's still an old mall. Look throughout the Big Ten and let me know if you see one school that plays both it's hoops and football a considerable distance off campus.
 
To bastardize a line from the Big Lebowski... you're not wrong RuffRuff, you're just an a (for putting your mostly right post in the B1G fantasy thread). I think that Susan Herbst believes UConn will be a better candidate for B1G in ~5 years and that's what she's working towards. She has said (I'm paraphrasing) that working towards AAU is not just a piece of paper that makes everything better, but by working towards that status UConn will have improved itself in meaningful ways. Likewise for improving athletics over the same time period. I do agree that right now we would be a reach at best for the B1G and I don't think Delany makes two long shot bets (us and Rutgers, you might include Maryland and whoever the 4th school is if it's not ND / Texas) in such a short period of time as others are saying / hoping. Now let's say we do all those things and in 5 years the B1G is ready to expand, are we a shoo-in? Not quite, but we would be better off than we are right now. So I think we have to hope Delany decides to lay low for an extended period rather than making a run at UNC /GT / whoever in the next two years.
 
Gentlemen, I'd love to be as hopeful and give you credit for diving deep, but logic does not support. Let's just hope the ACC gets ripped off just enough to let us slide in and maintain a semi decent conference long enough whereas Herbst/Manuel can make something of it, buy some time. The university isn't quite ready for Big Ten football anyway - the ACC is about right for now.

I don't care if the CC doesn't have an Old Navy anymore, it's still an old mall. Look throughout the Big Ten and let me know if you see one school that plays both it's hoops and football a considerable distance off campus.

Playing games off campus sucks; no way around that...it certainly does hurt our overall profile. But that's the only true "logical" argument you raise for B1G exclusion.

And "The university isn't quite ready for Big Ten football anyway"??? Neither are Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota nor Iowa at this point. Connecticut could compete for middle-level B1G bowls virtually immediately (PP/GD notwithstanding)....
 
To bastardize a line from the Big Lebowski... you're not wrong RuffRuff, you're just an a (for putting your mostly right post in the B1G fantasy thread). I think that Susan Herbst believes UConn will be a better candidate for B1G in ~5 years and that's what she's working towards. She has said (I'm paraphrasing) that working towards AAU is not just a piece of paper that makes everything better, but by working towards that status UConn will have improved itself in meaningful ways. Likewise for improving athletics over the same time period. I do agree that right now we would be a reach at best for the B1G and I don't think Delany makes two long shot bets (us and Rutgers, you might include Maryland and whoever the 4th school is if it's not ND / Texas) in such a short period of time as others are saying / hoping. Now let's say we do all those things and in 5 years the B1G is ready to expand, are we a shoo-in? Not quite, but we would be better off than we are right now. So I think we have to hope Delany decides to lay low for an extended period rather than making a run at UNC /GT / whoever in the next two years.

UConn needs a few years to make itself a more attractive candidate to the B1G.

However

IF UConn can get an AAU invite in 2-3 years

AND the B1G can't attract UNC or UVA (assuming they do get GT),

THEN UConn would be the next best available school on the east coast based on Nate Silver's (NYT) analysis (The 2 other available AAU schools on the east coast are: Duke - which wouldn't leave the ACC if UNC was still there and has less fan support than UConn anyway and Tulane which has significantly less fan support than UConn and terrrible athletic programs)
 
Wow, a 1000 plus post thread optimistically perverting the chances Uconn gets into what will likely be the best overall conference in this realignment mess when all is said and done(revenue, academic and athletic). Unlikely - all that speaks to that is highly Uconn-sided perception and very little national. Read reasonable 3rd party opinions from those not affiliated with Uconn and much of that this info isn't even a spec of what is being considered. Baseline - Uconn is currently a mariginally committed(PP a testament to that) very young football program. They are 122nd ranked research school in the country. Schools like South Florida and Cinci smoke that, so not sure what all the AAU membership confidence is all about. Any chance Uconn gets that is years down the road if it does come. Very unlikely a Big Ten takes a Uconn on top of a risk like Rutgers in believing it helps them with the NYC market. They'll see what comes of Rutgers in seeing that through before adding a Uconn. Rutgers was a risk as an investment to the future/market grasp, but they do satisfy the integrity points as to what Delany has spoken to. Uconn does not.

Uconn ONLY gets into the Big Ten way down the road with an AAU membership, a few whiffs by the Big Ten on first line of targets and seeing some momentum built with football. As much as Uconn is a flagship school to CT, it plays it's hoops in a mall , it's football in an old airport off campus and in a pro sports culture. That's small beans, that's not real collegiate culture. That is not the Big Ten way.

Bottom line, there are much more attractive options out there once the ACC gets further busted up - schools with both better football tradition/programs in college football hotbeds and with more market appeal with appropriate facilities/infrastructure. And there is no reason for the Big Ten to start taking second pickings at this point when they are absolutely in the drivers seat, along with the SEC. They can wait all they want for a Uconn type school because they can have them whenever the hell they want. If we want to use Rutgers as the counter to that, they were a free of charge partner(with a better overall resume) to Maryland in taking the one school they knew would be game to challenge the ACC exit fee.

If Uconn wants to end up in greener pastures, it needs to start picking up it's game. PR/Marketing, a FB coach with a buzz, getting creative/progressive on venues. Start playing games in Foxborough/NYC if asked. It's not like the Rent brings ambience/drawing card. If Uconn wants a trump card to play, it needs to find a way to play itself into becoming THE D1 college football program of the Northeast. Time for the administration to step up - now is your chance to man up at a juncture when real impact can be made.

Uconn has one move and one move only anytime in the near future - that's sliding in as a filler in the ACC, a conference where the hoops value has heavier stock and a conference sitting in insecurity. For Uconn, that is a huge upgrade over it's current situation - it's something to work with. If it gets stuck for any extended time in this new BE hot mess, it will be an uphill battle. 5-7 years down the road in that conference, we may be asking to ditch FB to see if we can salvage our hoops back in the Catholic School league. Let's put the Big Ten stuff to bed - fun to talk about, fun to scour the dredges of optimistic menusche to keep hope alive/drive the pro Uconn rumor mill, but the evidence pointing in opposite direction is ridiculously heavy.
what is 'menusche'? does that rhyme with ?
 
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Playing off campus is the only negative variable against Uconn? Um, no, plenty more. Let's start with not being an AAU school - the rest has been beaten to death, not going to get into it. I've been as bummed about this as anyone, have done the couple weeks or so waiting for any positive tweet or morsel of info in Uconn favor to come through in trying to believe. Then Louisville was pulled into the ACC and I've stopped reaching and hoping. Now it feels like politics - trying to sift through the BS arguments to substantiate or dismiss. When you hit that point, one must simplify. It is what it is - hope for the best, but after reading enough from those with educated and unbiased 3rd party stances, it's fairly telling a Big Ten invite is not coming anytime soon. Uconn does not have a compelling resume right now(possible way down the line if the Big Ten doesn't max out and Uconn has it's act together) and there are a variety of better choices in the near term. The Big Ten can take who they want or sit put - they are the hot chick everyone wants to date. Rutgers was the anchor into NYC and Maryland was a strategic move to tip the ACC into combustion. That wasn't as much taking the best options, but setting wheels in motion with two schools that fit the profile all the while knocking over a domino that will allow them to go after the real targets.

I will say this - the one school that chaps me in all of this is BC. They feel like a stubborn ex wife who is ballbusting for the good of no one. If Uconn ever resides in the same conference, the scorn of which Uconn fans should have should make for one hell of a rivalry. If any BC fans actually show up for the game.
 
I don't care if the CC doesn't have an Old Navy anymore, it's still an old mall.
The mall area was replaced by a building that is the tallest residential building between Boston and NYC. What the do you smoke (or inhale)?
 
Take the micro view here - ex mall, center of downtown Hartford, where when I last checked upon heading into to go out after a concert this past summer was reminiscent of Compton. Cop suggested I go back to hotel after a beer at Black Bear given a shooting a week prior. Based on the street clientele, wasnt surprising. It's about as far from an on campus setting as it gets. Does the conversion to a residential building in a horrid city district matter?
 
Playing off campus is the only negative variable against Uconn? Um, no, plenty more. Let's start with not being an AAU school - the rest has been beaten to death, not going to get into it. I've been as bummed about this as anyone, have done the couple weeks or so waiting for any positive tweet or morsel of info in Uconn favor to come through in trying to believe. Then Louisville was pulled into the ACC and I've stopped reaching and hoping. Now it feels like politics - trying to sift through the BS arguments to substantiate or dismiss. When you hit that point, one must simplify. It is what it is - hope for the best, but after reading enough from those with educated and unbiased 3rd party stances, it's fairly telling a Big Ten invite is not coming anytime soon. Uconn does not have a compelling resume right now(possible way down the line if the Big Ten doesn't max out and Uconn has it's act together) and there are a variety of better choices in the near term. The Big Ten can take who they want or sit put - they are the hot chick everyone wants to date. Rutgers was the anchor into NYC and Maryland was a strategic move to tip the ACC into combustion. That wasn't as much taking the best options, but setting wheels in motion with two schools that fit the profile all the while knocking over a domino that will allow them to go after the real targets.

I will say this - the one school that chaps me in all of this is BC. They feel like a stubborn ex wife who is ballbusting for the good of no one. If Uconn ever resides in the same conference, the scorn of which Uconn fans should have should make for one hell of a rivalry. If any BC fans actually show up for the game.

Trust me when I say this, UConn is not as far off from AAU as you might think. The biggest disparity between UConn and AAU schools (and non-AAU schools with a seat at the big conference table) is their endowment amount.
 
You probably know a lot more on that point than me, but all I see there is Uconn ranked 122nd in research nationally behind a plethora of schools ranked higher and not AAU. I always thought this was one of the more important criteria. Anything you can offer clarity on there would be great.
 
You probably know a lot more on that point than me, but all I see there is Uconn ranked 122nd in research nationally behind a plethora of schools ranked higher and not AAU. I always thought this was one of the more important criteria. Anything you can offer clarity on there would be great.

to simply put it, we will be aau in 2014 or 15. so cross that one off your list. lets get ot the others. we have a 9k arena on campus right? and then a 15k one in hartford central to the states population a half our down the highway from storrs? i don't think the b10 is going to say no to a top 10 bball program all time becuase of that. if schools like bc or duke are on there list then this point is a joke to begin with bball size wise.

whats next? stadium size? we can expand any minute now if our ad had vision. that shouldn't hold us back. jd says go to 60, we can but we just need a ad to pull the trigger.

whats next on that list of yours?
 
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You probably know a lot more on that point than me, but all I see there is Uconn ranked 122nd in research nationally behind a plethora of schools ranked higher and not AAU. I always thought this was one of the more important criteria. Anything you can offer clarity on there would be great.

No problem man. The AAU uses a bunch of criteria to determine whether or not a school is "worthy" of an invitation (must be 3/4 member affirmative vote). Criteria used to evaluate university performance include, but are not limited to: research spending, doctoral degree and post-doctoral appointees. UConn measures very favorably in these criteria:

•#40 in the nation in awarded doctoral degrees - UConn is ranked higher than 26 of the 61 AAU members;


•#49 in the nation for doctoral student enrollment - UConn is ranked higher than 23 of the 61 AAU members;


•#77 in the nation for research expenditures - UConn is ranked higher than 10 of the 61 AAU members.


UConn is also in the midst of an unprecedented faculty hiring period that would bring almost 300 new faculty to UConn, and it has been noticed by some important folks:


"The university's hiring strategy runs counter to what is happening at many universities and
colleges​
around the country", according to Gwendolyn Bradley, senior program officer for the American Association of University Professors. "We haven't heard of any other large-scale hiring plans for large
public universities​
or really anywhere," Bradley said. She noted that large public universities have been particularly hard-hit by the recession and tend to be cutting faculty rather than adding."
 
As Herbst said, she wants to focus on research. That will take us over the top. As is, we are in the top 50 for public universities in research. But we really need to work on obtaining a lot more federal research money, need a much larger endowment and much more private support in research.

http://mup.asu.edu/research_data.html
 
After her hiring, UConn President Susan Herbst has dedicated most of her efforts to expanding the university's research profile. UConn has 7 NSF Research Experiences for Undergraduate programs. UConn is already classified as one of 108 RU/VH Research Universities (very high research university) in the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Learning (this list includes public and private universities), but Herbst has continued her efforts. The university recently announced a collaborative effort with Jackson Laboratory with the state of Connecticut to construct a new facility that will allow for unprecedented genetic research to prevent, treat and cure human disease. The university also announced a $7.5 Million partnership with General Electric to focus on the energy industry. UConn will also begin construction on a new Technology Park soon.
 
U.S. News ranked the University of Connecticut the 21st ranked public national university and 63rd ranked university (there is a 5-way tie for 58th ranked and UConn is ranked next) in 2013. The ranking places Connecticut ahead of Purdue, Rutgers, Minnesota, Michigan State, Iowa, and Indiana.

With rankings ahead of several B1G members already, the faculty hiring initiative and focus on research should solidify its academic standing within the B1G. An AAU invite is potentially not that far off and even without AAU, the academics stack up pretty favorably.

UConn needs to elevate its endowment (currently $329M). It's WELL short of many B1G schools, who are at or near $1B...which is a level that Herbst has publicly targeted as wanting to get to.
 
Man, I'm not going to get the laundry list. From a high level:

- maybe we get AAU in 2014, fact remains we are not now. Nebraska received a pass on that, but let's not confuse what Nebraska brings to the table with what Uconn does with regards to football brand. We are not in the top 100 research universities.

- if the ACC opts for Ville when it's getting picked apart why does the Big 10 see value? Is Swofford not as smart as us posters? I know, FSU, BC, etc voted against us, but do your really think that if the Uconn resume was that strong, Swofford wouldn't find a way to compel? Do you really think those meetings are like an episode of the view where they squawk and moan for only selfish interests? I'm sure they are smart, reasonable men who understand the greater good.

- Football program. Uconn is a new program with little tradition, it does not play in a football hotbed of a state from either the recruiting standpoint or the fanaticism. It's a pro sports state. It plays in an undersized off campus facility with zero venue draw whatsoever. Why is Michigan doing their best to play elsewhere? Are Big Ten fans going to be psyched to come out to the Rent, expansion or not? Say what you want about Rutgers, but it's a football rabid state, has on campus facitlities, a strong recruiting base with a higher population, much higher overall enrollment/alumni base with closer access to NYC alumni to get out to.

- geography - big ten has made it's dip into the NYC market with what they hope is high risk, high reward Rutgers. There is no reason to double up there now. Just like the ACC has BC and no need for Uconn until they're desperate, neither does the Big 10 now. This illusion that Uconn helps them corner NYC is hogwash.

- more short term than long, but hoops on probation and they have a dingbat as FB HC. Football is clearly trending south. Those are not strong reasons why any conference would not take a Uconn today given this is more about future investment, but when you weigh it all out with Uconn sitting in pergatory and on a cusp, the current perception does not help.
 
to simply put it, we will be aau in 2014 or 15. so cross that one off your list. lets get ot the others. we have a 9k arena on campus right? and then a 15k one in hartford central to the states population a half our down the highway from storrs? i don't think the b10 is going to say no to a top 10 bball program all time becuase of that. if schools like bc or duke are on there list then this point is a joke to begin with bball size wise.

whats next? stadium size? we can expand any minute now if our ad had vision. that shouldn't hold us back. jd says go to 60, we can but we just need a ad to pull the trigger.

whats next on that list of yours?

Gampel seats at least 10k. it used to seat 8400 until they put seats over the corners in 1996-1997.
 
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You probably know a lot more on that point than me, but all I see there is Uconn ranked 122nd in research nationally behind a plethora of schools ranked higher and not AAU. I always thought this was one of the more important criteria. Anything you can offer clarity on there would be great.

This is true only if you don't count the Farmington medical campus as part of UConn, and count only research conducted in Storrs. But 90% of federal research dollars go for biomedical research. Being #122 with the vast majority of the biomedical research excluded is actually a decent showing.

If you include the medical center, UConn is more like #60-70. That is marginal for the AAU but they are working on building research up further, and some B1G AAU members are lower ranked. We are moving up and it is only a matter of time before UConn joins the AAU. If the B1G wants us in their league and B1G schools support UConn's application, it could happen quickly. If there is no B1G support, it will still happen within 20 years.
 
And it's worth adding on that the very first thing Herbst did, I think even before she officially took office, was to force out the head of the UCHC in Farmington. That guy had really damaged the environment there causing a lot of research faculty to leave. So if they can recruit new faculty and get the grants coming in again that should help the profile.
 
This illusion that Uconn helps them corner NYC is hogwash.

A lot of things called hogwash have happened throughout history. Such as man riding a rocket to the moon, scientists developing invisibility cloaks, and Rutgers being invited to the B1G.
 
I might add that UConn's AAU profile is currently very similar to Nebraska's, which just got kicked out of the AAU. Nebraska had the problem that the AAU refused to count their medical center in Omaha as part of the campus in Lincoln, dropping the Univ of Nebraska way down the research rankings. If they count Storrs separately from the medical center, then UConn's profile is not good. But taken together, the two are close to meeting all AAU standards. Storrs is 36 miles from Farmington, Lincoln 53 miles from Omaha. I think there will be a lot of politics involved in whatever decision is reached.
 
A lot of things called hogwash have happened throughout history. Such as man riding a rocket to the moon, scientists developing invisibility cloaks, and Rutgers being invited to the B1G.

LOL - good point, although I think the likelihood of two hogwash moments coming together simultaneously is pretty unlikely. It would be like landing a man on the moon while landing a man on Mars in the same week.

The AAU info is definitely interesting, thanks. I do believe a must needed feather in the cap if there is going to be consideration by the Big Ten. Herbst seems to be a highly academic minded prez, so all should be comfortable that goal is being strived for with aggression. The question is simply timing/Big Ten plans and then how that factors into how it comes together with the Uconn FB perception. Does Big Ten go 20 deep? That would be a number well beyond what is the most oft talked about goal number of 16. If that large, what does scheduling look like? How much of their current strategy is to muscle ND into the league? I don't see Uconn getting into the Big Ten at 16 teams. I only see if they are willing to go 20 after they first break up the ACC further with a bang, bring in 1st line target schools, then see what ND does and monitor how Rutgers/NYC market plays out. Why move on Uconn any faster?

Let's put it this way, the next big news items that Uconn fans should look forward to in no particular order is the MD exit fee waived/reduced and an announcement of AAU membership. Maybe see Uconn FB sign on a coach with some buzz. It is not a Big Ten invite. Anything else would make zero sense.
 
LOL - good point, although I think the likelihood of two hogwash moments coming together simultaneously is pretty unlikely. It would be like landing a man on the moon while landing a man on Mars in the same week.

Can't really disagree with that. Really all I'm trying to say is that either these conference commissioners/presidents are a bunch of big kids playing with really expensive toys and making silly decisions, or they're strategic geniuses who would whip me at Risk. Either way I don't think anything is off the table and I think UConn is a legitimate candidate. Will they get in anywhere, who knows, but they're a candidate. I only dislike the outright dismissals.
 
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