B1G media rights deal.

[Rufus]

And here is something else to consider….

The B1G is likely to go to a ten game conference schedule when additional schools are added.

The SEC is already talking about going to a nine game schedule as a 16 member conference. Will they go to ten games as well as they play catch-up to the B1G when adding more teams?

This does two things - It gives those conferences more money from additional inventory and it creates fewer opportunities for non P2 schools to schedule these teams and get a decent paycheck out of it.

 

[Kolumbo]

I think the new rules will see fewer blue chippers outside of the P2 and Notre Dame. Think about this ---- a hot unknown QB has a standout season at any school not in the P2. Purdue may need a !QB. Mississippi State may need a QB. Purdue and Mississippi State are paying their players $XXX,XXX per year and their players have access to the top NIL deals in the country due to their unprecedented conference media coverage. Is that top QB going to stick around his old school knowing how much money he could be making playing for a B1G or SEC school that wants him? Even the lesser schools in those conferences? Not many will turn that money down.

This is setting up for all schools in the B1G and SEC to have all-star rosters. Even if both conferences have to have schools finish with losing records simply from playing each other, those rosters are going to be stacked.

I get all that but I'm not really sold on that happening. A kid could be having a great year for the Hokies, the Sun Devils, or the Zips. Places like Mississippi State should already be stacked. The Zipper may want to move up and get his arse kicked week in and week out by Alabama and Georgia, but I don't know if a kid is gonna leave Phoenix for MS. Maybe the publicity of winning a lesser conference championship is better than cash today playing for a cellar dweller. I don't know. I still contend none of it makes any sense.

 

[Rufus]

I get all that but I'm not really sold on that happening. A kid could be having a great year for the Hokies, the Sun Devils, or the Zips. Places like Mississippi State should already be stacked. The Zipper may want to move up and get his arse kicked week in and week out by Alabama and Georgia, but I don't know if a kid is gonna leave Phoenix for MS. Maybe the publicity of winning a lesser conference championship is better than cash today playing for a cellar dweller. I don't know. I still contend none of it makes any sense.

If a kid who grew up poor and does not come from money has money handed to him if he joins certain schools, most likely the kid is going to take the money offer.

If a kid is from a wealthy family, maybe he has to think about it a day or two longer than the poor kid, but he will likely come to the same decision.

 

[Kolumbo]

If a kid who grew up poor and does not come from money has money handed to him if he joins certain schools, most likely the kid is going to take the money offer.

If a kid is from a wealthy family, maybe he has to think about it a day or two longer than the poor kid, but he will likely come to the same decision.

 

[huskymedic]

-> “I feel like when we added the two that we added, it made sense. It had a lot of momentum behind it,” Barta said Thursday. “I’ve not yet heard anything that would get me at Iowa — I’m just speaking for Iowa — excited to say, ‘Let’s continue to expand more.’ So, I don’t feel like it’s a hot button. But that’s one person’s opinion. I won’t speak for the conference.

“Whatever upside Iowa will receive from the new TV contract, I’m certainly not going to be interested in supporting additional expansion, if that means Iowa would get less. That’s just one criteria, but that’s an important one.” <-

 

[Rufus]

"Iowa athletic director Gary Barta said it appears there is little interest in further expansion and there will be opposition if it means a revenue drop for membership."

Translation: "Yes, we are adding more PAC-12 schools, but we can't come out and say that right now because we have to negotiate how much money we will pay them. They aren't getting full shares."

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I get all that but I'm not really sold on that happening. A kid could be having a great year for the Hokies, the Sun Devils, or the Zips. Places like Mississippi State should already be stacked. The Zipper may want to move up and get his arse kicked week in and week out by Alabama and Georgia, but I don't know if a kid is gonna leave Phoenix for MS. Maybe the publicity of winning a lesser conference championship is better than cash today playing for a cellar dweller. I don't know. I still contend none of it makes any sense.

How long do people really think the NFL and NBA would allow the P2 to make billions from being a minor league before those two pro leagues would crush college athletics? 100+ football programs and 350 basketball programs is hard to replace. 32 in total? The pro leagues could wipe them out in a year.

 

[metsfan2323]

But that's not Ohio State's or Alabama's problem. If you're the B1G or $EC, why wouldn't you want to separate from the rest of the pack?

Because you might kill the golden goose if you alienate too many fans. Also its not like the rest of the pack will just go away, they will probably form their own division and compete. Maybe they will call themselves amateur college athletics.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Because you might kill the golden goose if you alienate too many fans. Also its not like the rest of the pack will just go away, they will probably form their own division and compete. Maybe they will call themselves amateur college athletics.

So the calculation is increased interest of the hard-core fans of the teams inside the new power sphere vs decreased interest of casual sports fans due to a smaller, more dense sphere.
The calculation is straight forward. It's assigning the value to those variables that is the art and science.
Seems like advertising and promotion has definitely trended towards active participants rather than carpet bombing a larger audience and seeing who is interested in a product.

Seems like "Big Tech" invest billions of dollars trying to target each person's needs and wants rather than just promoting products across their users.

 

[baggerbob]

How long do people really think the NFL and NBA would allow the P2 to make billions from being a minor league before those two pro leagues would crush college athletics? 100+ football programs and 350 basketball programs is hard to replace. 32 in total? The pro leagues could wipe them out in a year.

The NBA, and NFL, and Baseball aren't going to sit by and let these colleges continue to be tax exempt, while they have to pay taxes.
Their will be a day of reckoning very soon for these schools, the tax man comes.

 

[CL82]

So the calculation is increased interest of the hard-core fans of the teams inside the new power sphere vs decreased interest of casual sports fans due to a smaller, more dense sphere.
The calculation is straight forward. It's assigning the value to those variables that is the art and science.
Seems like advertising and promotion has definitely trended towards active participants rather than carpet bombing a larger audience and seeing who is interested in a product.

Seems like "Big Tech" invest billions of dollars trying to target each person's needs and wants rather than just promoting products across their users.

Hard-core fans are the market. No one is designing an advertising campaign targeting people who might stop and watch a play as they click through channels looking for Golden Girls reruns.

 

[dayooper]

The NBA, and NFL, and Baseball aren't going to sit by and let these colleges continue to be tax exempt, while they have to pay taxes.
Their will be a day of reckoning very soon for these schools, the tax man comes.

Will they? If they are show they are nonprofit, will the tax man come? If they show that the money is spent entirely on the program or the general fund, is it really for profit?

The tax man also has to prove they aren’t non profit anymore. This isn’t a case where they have the average American that claimed way too much or set up a non profit they take money god themselves. They are huge organizations with many levels of lawyers and very influential alumni/donors (who use donations to universities as a tax shelter). Many would fight that tooth and nail. Politicians don’t want to ruffle the feathers of those they want to vote for them. Look at the UCLA situation. Then, what is the limit? Do you revoke the non profit designation for athletic departments? Are D2 and D3 athletic departments now taxable? If not, where’s the line?

The NBA and NFL get a free training league they don’t have to pay a dime for. Are they really going to shut that down?

Could the tax man come? I guess, but my guess is that the universities are safe.

 

[hoopsfan22]

Because you might kill the golden goose if you alienate too many fans. Also its not like the rest of the pack will just go away, they will probably form their own division and compete. Maybe they will call themselves amateur college athletics.

The B1G caters to its alumni, and they have a lot of them. We're talking schools with alumni bases of over half a million people, and that quickly adds up. When your schools enroll 40-50,000 (plus whatever they have at branch campuses), you can churn out an army of people to watch games and buy stuff advertised during those games every year. They're not worried about us. No one was watching the rest of the pack anyway. The B1G will have games on every major network except ABC (as of now) and BTN every Saturday from noon until after midnight and multiple games per week in prime time. The golden goose has landed at the B1G headquarters.

For the rest of the pack that doesn't want to participate in the college athletic arms race, maybe it makes sense for those schools to kick the money out of sports, have smaller regional/local conferences with small AD budgets, and implement very strict amateur rules. In that case you might not have the most talented players on the field or court, but at least they will be actual student-athletes.

 

[Kolumbo]

-> “I feel like when we added the two that we added, it made sense. It had a lot of momentum behind it,” Barta said Thursday. “I’ve not yet heard anything that would get me at Iowa — I’m just speaking for Iowa — excited to say, ‘Let’s continue to expand more.’ So, I don’t feel like it’s a hot button. But that’s one person’s opinion. I won’t speak for the conference.

“Whatever upside Iowa will receive from the new TV contract, I’m certainly not going to be interested in supporting additional expansion, if that means Iowa would get less. That’s just one criteria, but that’s an important one.” <-

Give him credit for being honest about his bold-faced greed.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The B1G caters to its alumni, and they have a lot of them. We're talking schools with alumni bases of over half a million people, and that quickly adds up. When your schools enroll 40-50,000 (plus whatever they have at branch campuses), you can churn out an army of people to watch games and buy stuff advertised during those games every year. They're not worried about us. No one was watching the rest of the pack anyway. The B1G will have games on every major network except ABC (as of now) and BTN every Saturday from noon until after midnight and multiple games per week in prime time. The golden goose has landed at the B1G headquarters.

For the rest of the pack that doesn't want to participate in the college athletic arms race, maybe it makes sense for those schools to kick the money out of sports, have smaller regional/local conferences with small AD budgets, and implement very strict amateur rules. In that case you might not have the most talented players on the field or court, but at least they will be actual student-athletes.

As the P2 effectively become minor leagues, what will the NFL and NBA do? Just let the P2 continue to make billions? What if the NBA really went all in on the G-League, and passed a rule that if you go to college, then you can't be eligible for the draft until after your junior year of college? Where would the top players go, G-League or college? College basketball could become college baseball with the snap of the NBA's fingers. Why couldn't the NFL do the same thing?

The things that made college sports special, a lot of schools with student-athletes who were involved with the university competing with each other, are going away. If the P2 have their way, there will be a handful of schools with top level talent that they are getting from other schools, and the rest of the schools will be irrelevant. Walk through the Game Theory of that situation. The NFL and NBA can just step in and say "play for us instead".

 

[hoopsfan22]

As the P2 effectively become minor leagues, what will the NFL and NBA do? Just let the P2 continue to make billions? What if the NBA really went all in on the G-League, and passed a rule that if you go to college, then you can't be eligible for the draft until after your junior year of college? Where would the top players go, G-League or college? College basketball could become college baseball with the snap of the NBA's fingers. Why couldn't the NFL do the same thing?

The things that made college sports special, a lot of schools with student-athletes who were involved with the university competing with each other, are going away. If the P2 have their way, there will be a handful of schools with top level talent that they are getting from other schools, and the rest of the schools will be irrelevant. Walk through the Game Theory of that situation. The NFL and NBA can just step in and say "play for us instead".

The NFL isn't going to draft 18-19-20 year olds and pay to develop them until maturity when colleges will do it for them for free while reducing the risk of drafting a bust. Pre-2005 CBA how many high school kids was the NBA drafting? And if not high school, we already have plenty of one and dones. The pro leagues also only have a finite number of slots, so there's a real limit to how many they could say "come play for us instead." I don't think this is an issue because pro leagues are not looking to spend big money to build out a minor league system akin to that of MLB.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Hard-core fans are the market. No one is designing an advertising campaign targeting people who might stop and watch a play as they click through channels looking for Golden Girls reruns.

I agree. My post was in reference to this comment about killing the golden goose by alienating fans. Those teams who are part of the more exclusive club going forward already have the largest and most invested fan bases. They will be even more invested going forward.

Because you might kill the golden goose if you alienate too many fans. Also its not like the rest of the pack will just go away, they will probably form their own division and compete. Maybe they will call themselves amateur college athletics.

 

[CL82]

The tax man also has to prove they aren’t non profit anymore. This isn’t a case where they have the average American that claimed way too much or set up a non profit they take money god themselves. They are huge organizations with many levels of lawyers and very influential alumni/donors (who use donations to universities as a tax shelter). Many would fight that tooth and nail.

I think my money is on the organization that just got the funding to hire 89,000 in shock troops.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The NFL isn't going to draft 18-19-20 year olds and pay to develop them until maturity when colleges will do it for them for free while reducing the risk of drafting a bust. Pre-2005 CBA how many high school kids was the NBA drafting? And if not high school, we already have plenty of one and dones. The pro leagues also only have a finite number of slots, so there's a real limit to how many they could say "come play for us instead." I don't think this is an issue because pro leagues are not looking to spend big money to build out a minor league system akin to that of MLB.

For free? Did you see the title of the thread? Colleges are making billions, and that is money the pro leagues could have for themselves. Not running the minor league themselves is effectively costing the NFL and NBA the value of all the college television contracts.

 

[dayooper]

For free? Did you see the title of the thread? Colleges are making billions, and that is money the pro leagues could have for themselves. Not running the minor league themselves is effectively costing the NFL and NBA the value of all the college television contracts.

No it’s not. Minor leagues are what they are. The draw for college sports is the schools themselves. Minor leagues need support from the majors to get it to work. That’s why we don’t see minor league baseball or hockey on TV. Even the G-League has no traction with NBA fans.

Pro sports see college sports are free training for their players, that’s it. No minor league is going to get $1 billion a year for their broadcast rights. The NFL, NBA and their respective unions all like the basic structure of the system as we see it now.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

No it’s not. Minor leagues are what they are. The draw for college sports is the schools themselves. Minor leagues need support from the majors to get it to work. That’s why we don’t see minor league baseball or hockey on TV. Even the G-League has no traction with NBA fans.

Pro sports see college sports are free training for their players, that’s it. No minor league is going to get $1 billion a year for their broadcast rights. The NFL, NBA and their respective unions all like the basic structure of the system as we see it now.

People watch college sports because it isn't your typical minor league. But if you and the rest of the Big 10 fanboys in this thread are right, and there are only 32 teams in a few years and everyone else is FCS caliber, then the P2 will be a run of the mill minor league. So either no one will care, or the NFL will step in and wipe it out.

Do you really think that everyone will become a Michigan or Ohio State fan if the P2 is successful in wiping out the rest of college football? Because while realignment can go a lot of ways, your fantasy world of the P2 wiping out the rest of college football and getting everyone else's fans is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

 

[billybud]

College ball will go on...

For years now, there has been a vast gulf between the Ohio State's, Michigan's, Alabama's, etc and Akron. Ball State, Toledo, Northern Illinois, Pitt, and on and on...

And the children of a lesser god all played or will be playing this weekend. I enjoyed the Pitt-WVU game and the OK State-CMU game.

The control of linear TV slots will be the short term factor, but as we move more to streaming, there can be a smorgasbord of matches to watch...people can access more games. The marquee matches will always draw more interest as they do now. But interest in Pitt or OK State won't disappear.

Already, there is a super FBS made up of contenders and an FBS that is a super FCS.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

College ball will go on...

For years now, there has been a vast gulf between the Ohio State's, Michigan's, Alabama's, etc and Akron. Ball State, Toledo, Northern Illinois, Pitt, and on and on...

And the children of a lesser god all played or will be playing this weekend. I enjoyed the Pitt-WVU game and the OK State-CMU game.

The control of linear TV slots will be the short term factor, but as we move more to streaming, there can be a smorgasbord of matches to watch...people can access more games. The marquee matches will always draw more interest as they do now. But interest in Pitt or OK State won't disappear.

Already, there is a super FBS made up of contenders and an FBS that is a super FCS.

So Pitt is equal to Akron? Strange take. Pitt is probably the second best team in the conference that has your beloved Florida State. If Pitt is Akron, what does that make Florida State?

 

[billybud]

What does that make Pitt ?...non P2. As is FSU.

Your premise was that P2 will throttle everything else.

I answered.

 

[billybud]

There is a Super FBS already...and Pitt and FSU are not members...

 

[billybud]

And....what we don't know is how NIL shakes out...

If you don't have a big or rich booster base, the future as a potential nat. champ contender is bleak

TV money and conference payouts can't be used for NIL. FSU, as an example, will be pummeled in recruiting by Miami.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

And....what we don't know is how NIL shakes out...

If you don't have a big or rich booster base, the future as a potential nat. champ contender is bleak

TV money and conference payouts can't be used for NIL. FSU, as an example, will be pummeled in recruiting by Miami.

This gives urban area schools a big advantage over rural schools. There are plenty of corporations in cities that could find value in paying players at a Pitt or St. Johns. Who is giving NIL money to Mississippi State?

 

[billybud]

You never know...who would have thought that Barstool would give a 7 digit deal to a high school QB to commit to Jackson State in Jackson, Mississippi. Or Gatorade give another Jackson State athlete an NIL ranked as #11 for football. But being a HBCU does give access to a certain audience.

But, I agree that schools with large fanbases, large audiences and national branding will have more NIL access.

 

[billybud]

Nigel Pack signed a $800,000 deal to play basketball for Miami and Oscar Tschiebwe signed a $2 million deal to play for Kentucky in
2022-23.

St. John's two basketball players with Barstool NILs receive hoodies, workout clothes. St. John may be able to access NIL in the future for their basketball players...but it is still in the wings.

 

[buddy]

There is a Super FBS already...and Pitt and FSU are not members...

Yet Rutgers is! They spent their B1G money well today in beating favored BC!