B1G media rights deal.

[hoopsfan22]

As the P2 effectively become minor leagues, what will the NFL and NBA do? Just let the P2 continue to make billions? What if the NBA really went all in on the G-League, and passed a rule that if you go to college, then you can't be eligible for the draft until after your junior year of college? Where would the top players go, G-League or college? College basketball could become college baseball with the snap of the NBA's fingers. Why couldn't the NFL do the same thing?

The things that made college sports special, a lot of schools with student-athletes who were involved with the university competing with each other, are going away. If the P2 have their way, there will be a handful of schools with top level talent that they are getting from other schools, and the rest of the schools will be irrelevant. Walk through the Game Theory of that situation. The NFL and NBA can just step in and say "play for us instead".

The NFL isn't going to draft 18-19-20 year olds and pay to develop them until maturity when colleges will do it for them for free while reducing the risk of drafting a bust. Pre-2005 CBA how many high school kids was the NBA drafting? And if not high school, we already have plenty of one and dones. The pro leagues also only have a finite number of slots, so there's a real limit to how many they could say "come play for us instead." I don't think this is an issue because pro leagues are not looking to spend big money to build out a minor league system akin to that of MLB.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Hard-core fans are the market. No one is designing an advertising campaign targeting people who might stop and watch a play as they click through channels looking for Golden Girls reruns.

I agree. My post was in reference to this comment about killing the golden goose by alienating fans. Those teams who are part of the more exclusive club going forward already have the largest and most invested fan bases. They will be even more invested going forward.

Because you might kill the golden goose if you alienate too many fans. Also its not like the rest of the pack will just go away, they will probably form their own division and compete. Maybe they will call themselves amateur college athletics.

 

[CL82]

The tax man also has to prove they aren’t non profit anymore. This isn’t a case where they have the average American that claimed way too much or set up a non profit they take money god themselves. They are huge organizations with many levels of lawyers and very influential alumni/donors (who use donations to universities as a tax shelter). Many would fight that tooth and nail.

I think my money is on the organization that just got the funding to hire 89,000 in shock troops.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The NFL isn't going to draft 18-19-20 year olds and pay to develop them until maturity when colleges will do it for them for free while reducing the risk of drafting a bust. Pre-2005 CBA how many high school kids was the NBA drafting? And if not high school, we already have plenty of one and dones. The pro leagues also only have a finite number of slots, so there's a real limit to how many they could say "come play for us instead." I don't think this is an issue because pro leagues are not looking to spend big money to build out a minor league system akin to that of MLB.

For free? Did you see the title of the thread? Colleges are making billions, and that is money the pro leagues could have for themselves. Not running the minor league themselves is effectively costing the NFL and NBA the value of all the college television contracts.

 

[dayooper]

For free? Did you see the title of the thread? Colleges are making billions, and that is money the pro leagues could have for themselves. Not running the minor league themselves is effectively costing the NFL and NBA the value of all the college television contracts.

No it’s not. Minor leagues are what they are. The draw for college sports is the schools themselves. Minor leagues need support from the majors to get it to work. That’s why we don’t see minor league baseball or hockey on TV. Even the G-League has no traction with NBA fans.

Pro sports see college sports are free training for their players, that’s it. No minor league is going to get $1 billion a year for their broadcast rights. The NFL, NBA and their respective unions all like the basic structure of the system as we see it now.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

No it’s not. Minor leagues are what they are. The draw for college sports is the schools themselves. Minor leagues need support from the majors to get it to work. That’s why we don’t see minor league baseball or hockey on TV. Even the G-League has no traction with NBA fans.

Pro sports see college sports are free training for their players, that’s it. No minor league is going to get $1 billion a year for their broadcast rights. The NFL, NBA and their respective unions all like the basic structure of the system as we see it now.

People watch college sports because it isn't your typical minor league. But if you and the rest of the Big 10 fanboys in this thread are right, and there are only 32 teams in a few years and everyone else is FCS caliber, then the P2 will be a run of the mill minor league. So either no one will care, or the NFL will step in and wipe it out.

Do you really think that everyone will become a Michigan or Ohio State fan if the P2 is successful in wiping out the rest of college football? Because while realignment can go a lot of ways, your fantasy world of the P2 wiping out the rest of college football and getting everyone else's fans is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

 

[billybud]

College ball will go on...

For years now, there has been a vast gulf between the Ohio State's, Michigan's, Alabama's, etc and Akron. Ball State, Toledo, Northern Illinois, Pitt, and on and on...

And the children of a lesser god all played or will be playing this weekend. I enjoyed the Pitt-WVU game and the OK State-CMU game.

The control of linear TV slots will be the short term factor, but as we move more to streaming, there can be a smorgasbord of matches to watch...people can access more games. The marquee matches will always draw more interest as they do now. But interest in Pitt or OK State won't disappear.

Already, there is a super FBS made up of contenders and an FBS that is a super FCS.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

College ball will go on...

For years now, there has been a vast gulf between the Ohio State's, Michigan's, Alabama's, etc and Akron. Ball State, Toledo, Northern Illinois, Pitt, and on and on...

And the children of a lesser god all played or will be playing this weekend. I enjoyed the Pitt-WVU game and the OK State-CMU game.

The control of linear TV slots will be the short term factor, but as we move more to streaming, there can be a smorgasbord of matches to watch...people can access more games. The marquee matches will always draw more interest as they do now. But interest in Pitt or OK State won't disappear.

Already, there is a super FBS made up of contenders and an FBS that is a super FCS.

So Pitt is equal to Akron? Strange take. Pitt is probably the second best team in the conference that has your beloved Florida State. If Pitt is Akron, what does that make Florida State?

 

[billybud]

What does that make Pitt ?...non P2. As is FSU.

Your premise was that P2 will throttle everything else.

I answered.

 

[billybud]

There is a Super FBS already...and Pitt and FSU are not members...

 

[billybud]

And....what we don't know is how NIL shakes out...

If you don't have a big or rich booster base, the future as a potential nat. champ contender is bleak

TV money and conference payouts can't be used for NIL. FSU, as an example, will be pummeled in recruiting by Miami.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

And....what we don't know is how NIL shakes out...

If you don't have a big or rich booster base, the future as a potential nat. champ contender is bleak

TV money and conference payouts can't be used for NIL. FSU, as an example, will be pummeled in recruiting by Miami.

This gives urban area schools a big advantage over rural schools. There are plenty of corporations in cities that could find value in paying players at a Pitt or St. Johns. Who is giving NIL money to Mississippi State?

 

[billybud]

You never know...who would have thought that Barstool would give a 7 digit deal to a high school QB to commit to Jackson State in Jackson, Mississippi. Or Gatorade give another Jackson State athlete an NIL ranked as #11 for football. But being a HBCU does give access to a certain audience.

But, I agree that schools with large fanbases, large audiences and national branding will have more NIL access.

 

[billybud]

Nigel Pack signed a $800,000 deal to play basketball for Miami and Oscar Tschiebwe signed a $2 million deal to play for Kentucky in
2022-23.

St. John's two basketball players with Barstool NILs receive hoodies, workout clothes. St. John may be able to access NIL in the future for their basketball players...but it is still in the wings.

 

[buddy]

There is a Super FBS already...and Pitt and FSU are not members...

Yet Rutgers is! They spent their B1G money well today in beating favored BC!

 

[billybud]

Yet Rutgers is! They spent their B1G money well today in beating favored BC!

Not many celebrate beating BC....but congrats to Rutgers for their one point win.

A hell of a lot of money for a one point win over a sorry team like Boston College that came in last in their conference division last season and hasn't had a winning conference season in years,

 

[billybud]

But...unranked Florida has that SEC money and beat #7 Utah....

 

[buddy]

But...unranked Florida has that SEC money and beat #7 Utah....

I am certainly no fan of Rutgers (except for today), but it is undeniable that their B1G membership has been a great aid to them. Conference money makes a difference, no question.

 

[billybud]

The talent is concentrated...

Anybody watching Oregon getting pasted 49-3 by Georgia can see that.

Georgia lost five defenders to the 1st round draft and looks reloaded..

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The talent is concentrated...

Anybody watching Oregon getting pasted 49-3 by Georgia can see that.

Georgia lost five defenders to the 1st round draft and looks reloaded..

We are in year two of NIL coming off decades of SEC schools blatantly cheating and paying players while other schools more or less played by the rules. The SEC is still going to have an advantage in the short term, but give it a few years.

People keep conflating the school tv revenue with what they are able to pay their players. Those are related, but ultimately two separate buckets.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Nigel Pack signed a $800,000 deal to play basketball for Miami and Oscar Tschiebwe signed a $2 million deal to play for Kentucky in
2022-23.

St. John's two basketball players with Barstool NILs receive hoodies, workout clothes. St. John may be able to access NIL in the future for their basketball players...but it is still in the wings.

Is Barstool the only company paying NIL?

 

[billybud]

Is Barstool the only company paying NIL?

Don't know what you are getting at...but will attempt to answer.

Barstool is the only NIL deal for any St. John's basketball player...two of them get free apparrel. If your aim is (guessing because you don't have a glass head) to say that other NIL sources are funding St. John's Basketball athletes...I can't find "em...Jake Binley and David Caraher are Barstool...

https://nilcollegeathletes.com/deals/david-caraher-joins-barstool-athlete-pro

Jake Binley joins Barstool Athlete program | NIL College Athletes

Jake Binley of the Basketball team for St. John's is now sponsored by Barstool Sports as part of the Barstool Athlete program.

nilcollegeathletes.com

Obviously, nationwide, athletes have deals with multiple NIL sources...Gatorade, for instance.

 

[billybud]

St. John's University | NIL College Athletes

Details on athletes from St. John's University who are being sponsored

nilcollegeathletes.com

 

[nelsonmuntz]

St. John's University | NIL College Athletes

Details on athletes from St. John's University who are being sponsored

nilcollegeathletes.com

According to that site, UMass has more NIL deals than Duke and almost twice as many NIL deals as USC. I think there is a pretty good chance that site's database is not comprehensive.

 

[Rufus]

FOX edges out ESPN on college football opening night

In the season's first skirmish between college football's dominant media powers, FOX came out ahead overall while ESPN won out in the key demographics.

www.sportsmediawatch.com

Here is a good example as to why the B1G is the top conference for media rights. The Penn State vs. Purdue game on FOX had more viewers than the hyped up return of the Background Brawl between Pitt and WVU on ESPN.

The Penn State/Purdue game was nothing particularly special in terms of the matchup, but it still had a larger audience than a key rivalry game that hasn’t been played in over a decade.