B12 - If we accept invite, in 10 years what is the outcome?

[Deleted at users request]

I would still jump on a (possibly) sinking ship, if my boat was already at the bottom of Long Island Sound, which is where we currently are. Right next to the rusted remains of the ConnFLict trophy.
And the Big 12 is hardly a sinking ship. Sounds like hoops-fan gaslighting.

Which school is going to be the football flag bearers for the conference? Oklahoma State? Texas Tech? TCU, a school that a few years ago was a Mountain West team?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Which school is going to be the football flag bearers for the conference? Oklahoma State? Texas Tech? TCU, a school that a few years ago was a Mountain West team?

I think a more accurate description would be TCU, a school that beat B1G champion Michigan in the college football playoffs.

 

[king conn]

There’s a very strong chance we go there and hurt the basketball program by becoming middle of the pack

We have literally been a middle of the pack team since we joined the Big East, right up until this year's NCAA tournament

 

[metsfan2323]

The competitive disadvantages of that conference has been outlined in this thread as well as the competitive advantages we currently have that we would be giving up. Giving up those advantages and taking on those disadvantages while going to a good basketball conference for everyone else to have home field advantage is exactly why it’s a fear.

There’s a very strong chance we go there and hurt the basketball program by becoming middle of the pack while also being a bottom tier football team in an irrelevant conference with some extra money in our pocket until the next deal.

There’s a reason the Big 12 commissioner did not take the TV rights to the open market where he could’ve made more money. He wasn’t chancing exposing the value of a conference with no Texas or Oklahoma.

I assume you are talking about recruiting, do you want to know what will help recruiting? Being in a high profile national conference will help recruiting. Having boatloads of money to keep our great coach will help recruiting.

 

[Deleted at users request]

I think a more accurate description would be TCU, a school that beat B1G champion Michigan in the college football playoffs.

Yup which led to the lowest rated and least watched game of the CFP and BCS era.

They were a Big 12 team that was treated like a Cinderella relevancy wise.

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[baggerbob]

Are we sure the Big 12 would make the boat? Things are setting up for there to be two super conferences. Big Ten and SEC.

Texas and OU carried the Big 12. They knew it and that’s why they left. We would be jumping on a sinking ship football wise.

There are going to have to be at least 60 teams in major college football.
You have to have teams that lose or you have no viewers.
Plus if too many schools get left out you have anti-trust, which none of these schools want to challenge.

 

[Deleted at users request]

I assume you are talking about recruiting, do you want to know what will help recruiting? Being in a high profile national conference will help recruiting. Having boatloads of money to keep our great coach will help recruiting.

Hurley already makes good money that’s not an issue. Our recruiting is already great.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Yup which led to the lowest rated and least watched game of the CFP and BCS era.

They were a Big 12 team that was treated like a Cinderella relevancy wise.

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Perhaps, but they've been in the B-12 longer than Xavier and Creighton have been in the BE yet I don't recall any of your posts attempting to belittle them as basketball schools. Does your source of criticism apply only where it helps your position?

Additionally, in one of their last years in the MWC, TCU made it to the Rose Bowl (no small task) and the computer rankings (which played a role in selecting participants in the BCS championship game until the power conferences eliminated them to prevent non P-5 schools from finishing top two) ranked TCU #1 overall before and after the bowl games.

 

[Sole]

I assume you are talking about recruiting, do you want to know what will help recruiting? Being in a high profile national conference will help recruiting. Having boatloads of money to keep our great coach will help recruiting.

The big 12 is not going to help our recruiting…we are recruiting as good as any school in the country right now in the the big east…I think the big 12 will hurt our recruiting

 

[metsfan2323]

Hurley already makes good money that’s not an issue.

LOL!!!!!!

 

[Deleted at users request]

Perhaps, but they've been in the B-12 longer than Xavier and Creighton have been in the BE yet I don't recall any of your posts attempting to belittle them as basketball schools. Does your source of criticism apply only where it helps your position?

Additionally, in one of their last years in the MWC, TCU made it to the Rose Bowl (no small task) and the computer rankings (which played a role in selecting participants in the BCS championship game until the power conferences eliminated them to prevent non P-5 schools from finishing top two) ranked TCU #1 overall before and after the bowl games.

They aren’t the flagbearers for the conference.

The OBE schools are still here and hold prestige. Villanova and UConn with St John’s and Georgetown as sleeping giants. They have nationally relevant programs in big markets. Philly, DC, and New York. It’s actually a good balance of schools with prestige and history with schools who are competitive.

The Big 12 football wise does not have that. This move is about the money football brings in right? It’s very short sighted if so as they have no nationally relevant programs to help their value moving forward. TCU can be as good as they want, nobody will care. The ratings prove that.

 

[Deleted at users request]

LOL!!!!!!

He makes 5.5 mill now. Which makes him tied for top 5 highest paid coaches in college basketball and the highest paid amongst the new generation of coaches.

Only people who make more are Calipari, Izzo, and Bill Self. Very elite company. What’s funny?

Edit: Ed Cooley might make more at around 6 mil at Georgetown. Another school not making football money. Why do we need the Big 12 to pay our coach again?

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[metsfan2323]

He makes 5.5 mill now. Which makes him tied for top 5 highest paid coaches in college basketball and the highest paid amongst the new generation of coaches.

Only people who make more are Calipari, Izzo, and Bill Self. Very elite company. What’s funny?

Edit: Ed Cooley might make more at around 6 mil at Georgetown. Another school not making football money. Why do we need the Big 12 to pay our coach again?

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Double it, that's what it will take down the road to keep him if things go like we hope they will. Coach K ended his career at 12.5.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Straight up, if we went to the Big 12 it would be a short sighted desperation move to possibly save football. Basketball doesn’t need the money and we are in a tremendous position long term that the Big 12 doesn’t help advance there.

Again, our best bet is to stay put and let Jim Mora work his magic. He has an easy schedule so if he can get us an 8-10 win team in 2 years it puts us in very prime position to have a much better long term solution in the Big Ten. Who’s been kicking themselves for picking Rutgers over us because they wrongly thought it would give them the NY market. Which we still have for them.

Also, wouldn’t we also help with the Boston market? There’s a lot of reasons for the Big Ten to fit us into the last 4 teams they’ll be looking to add to get to 20.

 

[Sole]

Double it, that's what it will take down the road to keep him if things go like we hope they will. Coach K ended his career at 12.5.

I don’t think it’s about money with Hurley

 

[metsfan2323]

I don’t think it’s about money with Hurley

Even taking your hopes and wishes into account, I would prefer to be in the league with the fat TV contract so we can match any offers that come Hurley's way.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Double it, that's what it will take down the road to keep him if things go like we hope they will. Coach K ended his career at 12.5.

Saying we’re in a bad position because you’re projecting we won’t be able to pay him as much as the greatest college coach of all time in 6 years is taking the goal posts and putting them outside the parking lot.

Point was, we pay Hurley very well as is. Money isn’t an issue for basketball currently. That’s what you were laughing at.

 

[metsfan2323]

Saying we’re in a bad position because you’re projecting we won’t be able to pay him as much as the greatest college coach of all time in 6 years is taking the goal posts and putting them outside the parking lot.

So is saying the B12 might eventually implode, both sides of a debate can paint a worst case scenario.

Pointing out that we might not be able to match a Kentucky offer with Big East money is not really going out on much of a limb.

BTW Ed freaking Cooley makes close to 6 million a year.

 

[August_West]

There are 35 million reasons Connecticut needs to move. The case is closed, it's a no brainer if you get the invitation you go.
There is no telling how long the NCAA has control of the basketball tournament.
If they ruffle the wrong feathers the football schools will start their own and invite the good basketball schools to join them.

You know nothing John snow, in fairness neither do I.

 

[Bongo Fury]

Straight up, if we went to the Big 12 it would be a short sighted desperation move to possibly save football. Basketball doesn’t need the money and we are in a tremendous position long term that the Big 12 doesn’t help advance there.

Again, our best bet is to stay put and let Jim Mora work his magic. He has an easy schedule so if he can get us an 8-10 win team in 2 years it puts us in very prime position to have a much better long term solution in the Big Ten. Who’s been kicking themselves for picking Rutgers over us because they wrongly thought it would give them the NY market. Which we still have for them.

Also, wouldn’t we also help with the Boston market? There’s a lot of reasons for the Big Ten to fit us into the last 4 teams they’ll be looking to add to get to 20.

So what you are saying the Big East revenue covers Hurleys salary? Big 10 is not interested

 

[UConn Dan]

You know nothing John snow, in fairness neither do I.

ADubs and anyone else that’s poopoo-ing this move, if we go to the Big 12 can you come to terms with it and still give our teams 100?

Change is hard. It may be odd at first but I think we gotta keep moving for survival longterm.

 

[Deleted at users request]

So is saying the B12 might eventually implode, both sides of a debate can paint a worst case scenario. Pointing out that we might not be able to match a Kentucky offer with Big East money is not really going out on much of a limb.

The Big East has 2 of the top 5 highest paid coaches already.

No conference is paying the new generation of coaches more.

Big 12 isn’t going to implode. But it’s not going to be the long term money maker people think it will be. There’s TV rating numbers and you can see how the commissioner handled negotiations to prove that. If we’re talking about football at least.

I’m not all that worried about staying in the Big East and seeing if something better comes along.

 

[Deleted at users request]

So what you are saying the Big East revenue covers Hurleys salary? Big 10 is not interested

It is right now. Georgetown is doing the same for Cooley’s salary. This doesn’t seem like a basketball issue.

The Big Ten isn’t interested because we’ve had arguably the worst football program in D1 for a few years now. If Jim can turn that around it may chance. We have the other qualifiers to fit.

 

[buddy]

The Big East has 2 of the top 5 highest paid coaches already.

No conference is paying the new generation of coaches more.

Big 12 isn’t going to implode. But it’s not going to be the long term money maker people think it will be. There’s TV rating numbers and you can see how the commissioner handled negotiations to prove that. If we’re talking about football at least.

I’m not all that worried about staying in the Big East and seeing if something better comes along.

The next event will likely be the ACC breakup and that won't be for a decade. I suspect the Big 12 will add more eastern teams from that conference leftovers. At least UConn will have a seat and be in a better position that it is now. If UConn doesn't get in now, there is no guarantee that they will be called up later, when other ACC teams become available.

 

[noeynox]

Thank you.

These Football NPC's are rough to take seriously, except @noeynox he's a good Uconn fan who wants the best for the right reasons. Everyone else has been duped.

Always said you were among the smartest posters on the boneyard. This post only confirms it! I will believe this happens when President Maric takes the podium, but I'm willing to get high on the hopium.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

They aren’t the flagbearers for the conference.

The OBE schools are still here and hold prestige. Villanova and UConn with St John’s and Georgetown as sleeping giants. They have nationally relevant programs in big markets. Philly, DC, and New York. It’s actually a good balance of schools with prestige and history with schools who are competitive.

The Big 12 football wise does not have that. This move is about the money football brings in right? It’s very short sighted if so as they have no nationally relevant programs to help their value moving forward. TCU can be as good as they want, nobody will care. The ratings prove that.

No they aren't, we are, but after us those two (and Marquette) are the only programs that have a realistic sot at accomplishing much on a national level this upcoming season. Additionally, schools that will be in the B-12 after Texas and Oklahoma depart who have finished the season in the top ten more recently than Georgetown or St John's has in basketball are Texas Tech, TCU, Houston, Oklahoma St, Kansas St, UCF. Additionally, Baylor, Kansas & BYU have finished in the top 15 during that time While it obviously isn't the SEC, the B-12 isn't close to as low of a level as you are attempting to state.

St John's and Georgetown are sleeping giants? How long did you chuckle after typing that? I had to take a break from typing to get my breath back as it was equal to some of Richard Pryor's best lines ever. They're sleeping giants like the super caldera at Yellowstone is a dormant volcano.

If the television audience that a school brought in for a championship or near championship game is one of the yardsticks to measure national relevance, it would be quite hypocritical of you to not also include the most recent final four games. Hell, lets look at regular season television audiences of the B-12 vs the BE in men's basketball. I imagine you'll find some excuse as to why certain things are only relevant when they support your cause but,...

I get it, you, A-Dub and about eleven other people believe the only thing that matters is keeping men's basketball in the Big East, the rest of the athletic department, the rest of the school for that matter be damned. The thing is we are slowly, steadily falling into a deeper hole financially and the day where the school's leadership, following a mandate by state politicians will no longer be able to support the athletic department at the level they currently do. I know that you, A-Dub and the other eleven are blindly believing that the state will always come through, even when the number jumps to $65 million, $75 million, $85 million annually but the short sighted vision is believing that the state politicians will somehow be able to justify $45k+ annual costs for in state students while the athletic department is being subsidized at a massive level.

 

[Deleted at users request]

The next event will likely be the ACC breakup and that won't be for a decade. I suspect the Big 12 will add more eastern teams from that conference leftovers. At least UConn will have a seat and be in a better position that it is now. If UConn doesn't get in now, there is no guarantee that they will be called up later, when other ACC teams become available.

UConn should always have a seat because conferences want the #1 team in the #1 and #9 tv markets in the country. It’s just about football getting it’s ish together for them to bring us on.

 

[noeynox]

It was a genuine question. I haven’t followed football in years because I can’t stomach watching teams I like be bad.

I watch Michigan football in the meantime which clogs my perspective on who is a good team or not. When I said cupcakes I was referring to everyone else on the schedule. Not NC State, Duke, and Tennessee. But Tennessee should be a step above the 2 others this year.

This is the type of front running I can't stand. (No offense to this poster). But "I'm a fan of UConn BB, Michigan FB, the KC Chiefs, the Michael Jordan Bulls. "I can't watch UConn BB because they're bad." These are the type of fans that would drop the men's bb team after a prolonged drought. The FB fans on this board, if they don't have seasons will still show up a couple times a year. The FB fans support all the teams of the school.

 

[Bongo Fury]

It is right now. Georgetown is doing the same for Cooley’s salary. This doesn’t seem like a basketball issue.

The Big Ten isn’t interested because we’ve had arguably the worst football program in D1 for a few years now. If Jim can turn that around it may chance. We have the other qualifiers to fit.

Georgetown is a private university and does not required to disclose finances. Have to imagine they have a large endowment. Big 10 is not interested in UConn not just their football.

 

[Deleted at users request]

No they aren't, we are, but after us those two (and Marquette) are the only programs that have a realistic sot at accomplishing much on a national level this upcoming season. Additionally, schools that will be in the B-12 after Texas and Oklahoma depart who have finished the season in the top ten more recently than Georgetown or St John's has in basketball are Texas Tech, TCU, Houston, Oklahoma St, Kansas St, UCF. Additionally, Baylor, Kansas & BYU have finished in the top 15 during that time While it obviously isn't the SEC, the B-12 isn't close to as low of a level as you are attempting to state.

St John's and Georgetown are sleeping giants? How long did you chuckle after typing that? I had to take a break from typing to get my breath back as it was equal to some of Richard Pryor's best lines ever. They're sleeping giants like the super caldera at Yellowstone is a dormant volcano.

If the television audience that a school brought in for a championship or near championship game is one of the yardsticks to measure national relevance, it would be quite hypocritical of you to not also include the most recent final four games. Hell, lets look at regular season television audiences of the B-12 vs the BE in men's basketball. I imagine you'll find some excuse as to why certain things are only relevant when they support your cause but,...

I get it, you, A-Dub and about eleven other people believe the only thing that matters is keeping men's basketball in the Big East, the rest of the athletic department, the rest of the school for that matter be damned. The thing is we are slowly, steadily falling into a deeper hole financially and the day where the school's leadership, following a mandate by state politicians will no longer be able to support the athletic department at the level they currently do. I know that you, A-Dub and the other eleven are blindly believing that the state will always come through, even when the number jumps to $65 million, $75 million, $85 million annually but the short sighted vision is believing that the state politicians will somehow be able to justify $45k+ annual costs for in state students while the athletic department is being subsidized at a massive level.

I’m not talking about how good football teams are. They can be as good as they want, they still won’t be relevant enough for tv. Even the Big 12 commissioner knows this come on.

It’s not hypocritical because the Final Four ratings were bad for the same reason. Nobody cared about SDSU and FAU. No matter how good they were. Just like a TCU playing against Georgia. It’s actually the same thing!

Media is going to care a lot more about how Cooley and Pitino do for Georgetown and St John’s this year than if TCU will make it back to CFP.