As Predicted By Anyone With A Brain, The ACC Is NOT Getting A TV Network

[buckaineer]

A&M left 20 months ago, not years ago. Where there's smoke (and we know there was) there's eventually fire (or at the very least something smoldering in the background). Every time you make a reasonable point you undo it with gross exaggerations and inaccuracies. Every time you describe crazy, biased posters making wild unsubstantiated claims, most readers are thinking "Hey, he's describing himself."

Lastly, I am a UConn fan (there's still a few of us left on this thread), we don't have until 2025. . .

A&M has played two full seasons in the SEC conference in football. They left the BIG 12 prior to that. You aren't making any reasonable points and all you do is exaggerate. You attempting to link something that happened years ago, while blatantly ignoring everything that has occurred since shows that you have no intention of dealing with the reality of the situation. You just desperately want to smear the BIG 12 conference in any way possible.

Strange that you and others here claim to be fans of a school from the Big East, yet staunchly defend the conference that destroyed your conference. You know, the ACC which has the lowest strength of schedule of the major conferences, the lowest payouts of the major conferences, had to add a partial member and another member that completely blew up their supposed criteria for membership, has a school departing right now, and is suing them to try and enforce an enormous (and probably illegal) buyout so that no one else will be able to leave--and this conference again, ripped apart the conference that left UConn in the situation it is in now.

 

[Fishy]

Seriously, mountaineer boy, you're not bright enough to be here and you're smoking the board with stupid. I've already asked you to set sail for another board to pester....

Far better to just go voluntarily than to get the actual boot, isn't it?

 

[buckaineer]

Talk about someone that has no idea what they are talking about.

You apparently live in the world of message boards--and then have the gall to insult people from WVU.

Nope, I have a firm grip on reality, and, I also know folks who for certain know more about this topic than you or I do. My information comes straight from members of the Rams Club (UNC boosters). I am pretty sure that they would know infinitely more about UNC's situation and options going forward than you would. I guarantee it.

I doubt that you know anyone who knows anything about realignment based on the lunacy you've written about here

I did not insult folks from WV. I said WV had left itself out an island. That opinion is not just held by me.

This from the fan of a league with a school on an island in the western Boston suburbs, western NY up state, western PA, soon western KY, Miami, etc.

A bit thin-skinned, aren't you?

It would appear you are a bit thin skinned since every fact about the ACC is an offense to you.

No ACC schools other than Maryland had or now have an offer to go anywhere. Schools can't join conferences because they want to.

Initial offers are not made publically, dude. University and conference leaders have to show extremely high levels of tact and discretion where those situations were concerned. By the time the general public know whats going on, the deal is done. Just like it was with Maryland.

And where did I state initial offers are made publically "dude"? Oh that's right, I did not ever make such a claim. Actually, many moves are made public long before they happen. A&M and Missouri were no secret and there were certainly rumors about Nebraska and WVU before they received official invites as well.

If you honestly believe that UNC-UVA could not join either of those leagues tomorrow by making a simple phone call, them theres nothing I can tell you.

I stated that UNC and UVA would have to approach leagues in order to receive an invitation.

No, FSU didn't have an offer to go anywhere, some of their leaders were interested in hearing what the BIG 12 could offer them, the BIG 12 never offered them anything.

There was never any indication from the BIG 12 that they would be interested in FSU, and certainly not that they'd be interested in Clemson. There were rumors on message boards and nothing more.

I stand corrected here. You are absolutely right. FSU never had an actual offer. There was some general communications between the two, but, that was as far as it went.

UNC and UVA have no standing offers from anywhere. Both the Big Ten and the SEC and also the BIG 12 require schools to approach them for membership. I seriously doubt either Mike Slive or Jim Delaney has spoken to anyone at these schools or others on expansion--that wouldn't happen until those schools were seriously considering switching conferences and had signed non disclosure agreements. Prior to that there are informal talks at a lower level.

Again, people in the know at Carolina say a whole lot different. I'll take their word for it over yours anyday.

You don't know any people that know anything as far as I can tell based on your statements to this point. I won't take your word about anything based on your previous ridiculous statements.

What is ridiculous here is you continuing to misquote me and assign statements to me that I didn't make.

Exactly where did I misquote you, or, assign statements to you? Do you mean the 'anti-ACC narrative' comment?

I said that ACC schools signed off on the increased buyout because at the time no one had offers to go anywhere, but they knew some schools were seriously considering moving such as FSU and Maryland and they didn't want them to go--especially FSU.

And, that POV is incorrect.

No, it isn't a point of view at all. It is exactly what happened. Schools in the ACC didn't want their bread and butter walking out the door, so they voted to increase the buyout to a ridiculous amount so that it would be financially impossible virtually. Unfortunately for them Maryland still left.

I am obviously wasting my time discussing this with you. If you truly believe that nobody in the ACC had offers to go elsewhere when the GOR was signed, well, go right ahead.

If schools in the ACC had offers to go elsewhere--leagues where they could make $100 million or more than in the ACC within just a few years, then those schools would be gone. Look, we have emails from UNC--not your mythical "people in the know", discussing the situation of what actually happened there. We have quotes in the news from FSU, statements from leaders at other ACC schools about their concerns of losing schools or the need for them to keep options open. Statements from the commissioner himself that the league could lose more schools--and you delusional ACC fans want everyone to believe none of this ever happened? Learn to deal with reality.

FSU is obviously a school that would be attractive in multiple conferences, and they drive the financial bus for the ACC's tv deals. If the league loses them then the league will be in big trouble.

 

[buckaineer]

Seriously, mountaineer boy, you're not bright enough to be here and you're smoking the board with stupid. I've already asked you to set sail for another board to pester....

Far better to just go voluntarily than to get the actual boot, isn't it?

I've presented numerous facts and information here and have been met with tons of stupid responses from posters that obviously don't know what they are talking about but have an agenda.

 

[Fishy]

I've presented numerous facts and information here and have been met with tons of stupid responses from posters that obviously don't know what they are talking about but have an agenda.

Actually, no.

We've gone for a few years hosting people from every possible corner and conference. Every one of 'em has been great. Until now...

You're the first one who is just too freaking stupid to be allowed in the sandbox - I don't expect you to realize that you're a moron because, honestly, that's just part of being a moron.

It's nothing personal and it's not your fault - sometimes the slow fish gets to the egg first.

But you still have to go.

 

[buckaineer]

Actually, no.

We've gone for a few years hosting people from every possible corner and conference. Every one of 'em has been great. Until now...

You're the first one who is just too freaking stupid to be allowed in the sandbox - I don't expect you to realize that you're a moron because, honestly, that's just part of being a moron.

It's nothing personal and it's not your fault - sometimes the slow fish gets to the egg first.

But you still have to go.

Obviously you can't debate any of the facts that I've presented, so rather than attempt to do so, you try to attack the messenger.

Not sure what has caused your hatred or your desire to spread lies about the BIG 12 or WVU, but it is truly sad that you actually believe what you post.

 

[Fishy]

Might as well go out crazy.

Bon voyage, lil coal man.

 

[SAMCRO]

buckaineer would have you believe that MIZZOU and aTm left the B12 right around the same time as Chicago left the B1G and Tulane left the SEC.

 

[Pat125]

I think Buckaineer is trying to convince himself more than anyone else, because i don't think he really believes what he is saying.

 

[TerryD]

I think Buckaineer is trying to convince himself more than anyone else, because i don't think he really believes what he is saying.

He believes it. He used to post often on the CSNbbs conference realignment board in 2010/2011 and recently on his "home" board at the Scout/WVU/Big 12 Conference Realignment Board.

He instantly became a huge fan of the Big 12 the minute West Virginia grabbed that lifeline to the Great Plains. It immediately became the greatest athletic league ever known.

He used to visit ACC team sites (FSU, NC State, etc..) in late 2011 and 2012 to troll them when he thought the Big 12 (where WVU had resided all of one year or less at the time) was going to pick off 2-4 ACC teams.

He used to say all kinds of stuff on CSNbbs.

Almost all of it turned out to be wrong.

(4x16 conferences, conference champ only playoffs, no ND/NBC renewal, ND forced into a conference, "power conferences" would tell Jack Swarbrick to sit at the table with the MAC commissioner, the ACC was coming apart, etc..)

He used to insist on the Scout board that the ACC was coming apart and if it weren't, the ACC schools would sign a GOR.

He continually repeated that the ACC was breaking apart and the proof was that the ACC schools would not sign a GOR.

When they did....he was stunned and quiet for a while.

Then.....he insisted it did not happen, it had all kind of loopholes, Louisville and ND could not sign a GOR with a future effective date, etc...

He insists to this day that it is impossible that the ACC schools actually signed a GOR. His intense dislike for the ACC governs all of his posts. You can see that in his posts here.

 

[ZooCougar]

All of the Big 12 fans I know have major buyer's remorse over WVU. They don't really have good sports anymore and academically they offer nothing. Oh an by the way they are a major geographic outlier.

I can't believe the Big 12 will expand east again.

 

[itgoeslike]

A&M has played two full seasons in the SEC conference in football. They left the BIG 12 prior to that. You aren't making any reasonable points and all you do is exaggerate. You attempting to link something that happened years ago, while blatantly ignoring everything that has occurred since shows that you have no intention of dealing with the reality of the situation. You just desperately want to smear the BIG 12 conference in any way possible.

Strange that you and others here claim to be fans of a school from the Big East, yet staunchly defend the conference that destroyed your conference. You know, the ACC which has the lowest strength of schedule of the major conferences, the lowest payouts of the major conferences, had to add a partial member and another member that completely blew up their supposed criteria for membership, has a school departing right now, and is suing them to try and enforce an enormous (and probably illegal) buyout so that no one else will be able to leave--and this conference again, ripped apart the conference that left UConn in the situation it is in now.

My God. . .A&M Leaves for SEC: July 1, 2012 > A&M SEC Season #1: Sept 2012 - Jan. 2013 > A&M SEC Season #2: Sept 2013 - Jan 2014. That's two seasons in 20 months. This is still not debatable.

You have a habit of making grand assumptions about posters. I haven't staunchly defended the ACC. Go back and read my posts. I think ESPN will ultimately pay the $2M in lieu of investing in an ACC network. And my preference for an invite is the B1G, ACC & B12, in that order. Instead of questioning the motives and validity of "opinions" you should simply respond with a lucid rebuttal of your own.

 

[NickyNewark]

Maybe he's worried himself about CR? So I'll give him a pass on this and just take the comments FWTW. I don't think its intentional flaming?

 

[clmssun]

The BIG 12 is as stable a league as there is. TCU and WVU were solid additions to the league and continue to be so, despite your jealousy.

LOL, particularly with respect to TCU

UT and OU are not only currently in the BIG 12, they will continue to be in the BIG 12 by their choice long into the future. To suggest otherwise is pure fantasy based on nothing. Its a ridiculous argument really. Pretending that UT and OU are somehow "different" towards the BIG 12 than Ohio State and Michigan in the B1G, Alabama and LSU in the SEC, USC and Oregon in the Pac 12 or FSU in the ACC. One of the most ridiculous ideas ever that for some reason is continuously repeated by those with 0 knowledge of those schools or the BIG 12 conference. In the BIG 12 all schools have an equal vote, and all schools participate in the decision making process for the league.

Hmmm, B1G with 118 years of collegiality, Pac with 99 years of collegiality, SEC with 82 years of collegiality.... Big XII with 20 years of "collegiality", noting, of course, that 33% of the constituency left after 17/18 years and the modern constituency has only been together for 2 years... noting, of course, that the whole league was formed after the former "Texas" conference disbanded. Good point, buckaineer, UT and OU for the Big XII are "the same" as all those other examples for their respective conferences.

As far as exposure the BIG 12 is a national league with national exposure across the country on the two top major college athletic networks. The conferences markets spread from southern Texas all the way through Iowa, and from the Ohio valley through western PA, down through West Virginia and into the Baltimore/DC corridor. The conference is seen coast to coast and internationally on both its tv partners and via tier three exposure as well.

Because what makes UTx, OU, and KU what they are is their valuable territory from southern Texas to Iowa... Nothing to do with Darrell Royal, Bud Wilkinson, Phog Allen, James Naismith, or AAU academics (at UTx and KU). And that is why the Pac, B1G, and SEC are interested in these schools, so they can get this valuable territory from southern Texas to Iowa.

I for some reason have a misguided hatred of the ACC which seems to be a problem I need to seek help for--my thoughts about the schools and conference aren't based in reality.

Yes, that is what you meant to say.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

"You can't believe everything you make up."

 

[WestHartHusk]

LOL, particularly with respect to TCU



Hmmm, B1G with 118 years of collegiality, Pac with 99 years of collegiality, SEC with 82 years of collegiality.... Big XII with 20 years of "collegiality", noting, of course, that 33% of the constituency left after 17/18 years and the modern constituency has only been together for 2 years... noting, of course, that the whole league was formed after the former "Texas" conference disbanded. Good point, buckaineer, UT and OU for the Big XII are "the same" as all those other examples for their respective conferences.



Because what makes UTx, OU, and KU what they are is their valuable territory from southern Texas to Iowa... Nothing to do with Darrell Royal, Bud Wilkinson, Phog Allen, James Naismith, or AAU academics (at UTx and KU). And that is why the Pac, B1G, and SEC are interested in these schools, so they can get this valuable territory from southern Texas to Iowa.


Yes, that is what you meant to say.

Thank you for responding. I wanted to, I really did, but his points were just so stupid.

On a side note, I have always been a CU fan and have been down to Death Valley a few times. Welcome to the board. (but I would be lying if I wasn't furious at CU over the L'Ville add )

 

[ZooCougar]

Thank you for responding. I wanted to, I really did, but his points were just so stupid.

On a side note, I have always been a CU fan and have been down to Death Valley a few times. Welcome to the board. (but I would be lying if I wasn't furious at CU over the L'Ville add )

In due course, they will regret that shortsighted decision. Schools like UNC and Clemson teach some of the most elite students in their states. Louisville teaches people to become elite bus drivers.

 

[btstimpy]

All of the Big 12 fans I know have major buyer's remorse over WVU. They don't really have good sports anymore and academically they offer nothing. Oh an by the way they are a major geographic outlier.

I can't believe the Big 12 will expand east again.

This is precisely what keeps Jim Delaney up at night regarding Maryland and Rutgers for his members. That's why he talks about needing to focus on using more elbow grease to integrate the new members into the Big Ten. There is another thread with a link to an article where he says this last week. Who knows what the Big Ten fans will think of their new additions in 3 years. Whenever you add outside of your geographic region there is a risk of integrating the cultures to keep the league cohesive. He has to overcome the midwest-east thing.

In the ACC we have the north-south thing going on. Being from Virginia, we're midatlantic and used to dealing with both. But you can see from some of billybud's posts that from a FSU perspective they question why would we want schools near Canada like Syracuse rather than more southern schools. With Boston College all by itself in the ACC there was an island. I think we are filling it in and integrating much better now, and UConn could help if we get to that point.

WVU is an island in the Big XII. There is no doubt about it. UConn would be too. Although the AAC is also geographically spread out, so there will be some experience gained with culture differences in that league.

 

[ZooCougar]

This is precisely what keeps Jim Delaney up at night regarding Maryland and Rutgers for his members. That's why he talks about needing to focus on using more elbow grease to integrate the new members into the Big Ten. There is another thread with a link to an article where he says this last week. Who knows what the Big Ten fans will think of their new additions in 3 years. Whenever you add outside of your geographic region there is a risk of integrating the cultures to keep the league cohesive. He has to overcome the midwest-east thing.

In the ACC we have the north-south thing going on. Being from Virginia, we're midatlantic and used to dealing with both. But you can see from some of billybud's posts that from a FSU perspective they question why would we want schools near Canada like Syracuse rather than more southern schools. With Boston College all by itself in the ACC there was an island. I think we are filling it in and integrating much better now, and UConn could help if we get to that point.

WVU is an island in the Big XII. There is no doubt about it. UConn would be too. Although the AAC is also geographically spread out, so there will be some experience gained with culture differences in that league.

The other major reason the Big 12 may not want additional eastern teams is travel. In football you might go out there every other year. In Olympic sports that apply, once a year. WVU has to make that trip for every conference away game/meet.

It's great if you aren't WVU, so why would they add another eastern team and add more travel to the equation?

Of course UConn is living that dream right now making conference forays into Texas....

 

[Pat125]

In due course, they will regret that shortsighted decision. Schools like UNC and Clemson teach some of the most elite students in their states. Louisville teaches people to become elite bus drivers.

It's not just Louisville. I think UConn would have been a better choice than Pitt and Syracuse. A couple of missed opportunities by the ACC in my opinion.

 

[SouthronCross]

I think Buckaineer is trying to convince himself more than anyone else, because i don't think he really believes what he is saying.

He is like this over on some of the Scout network boards, too.

I should have followed stimpy's advice, and, just ignored him. But, when somebody keeps posting nonsense, and, you KNOW its nonsense, its sometimes difficult to not respond back.

 

[SouthronCross]

Maybe he's worried himself about CR? So I'll give him a pass on this and just take the comments FWTW. I don't think its intentional flaming?

Well, if by the strangest of strange coincidences that Texas decides to vacate the Big 12, his team might...MIGHT...be in trouble.

 

[SouthronCross]

It's not just Louisville. I think UConn would have been a better choice than Pitt and Syracuse. A couple of missed opportunities by the ACC in my opinion.

You are 100 percent correct. The ACC not taking UConn was a huge missed opportunity. Swofford was ready to invite them.

UConn was originally supposed to be paired with Syracuse, not Pitt, to join the ACC. UConn is a perfect match...academically, and, with a strong Olympic sports program. I believe they have untapped potential for football. They've done pretty well whenever they've faced ACC opponents in the past. Plus, they'd give BC a natural regional rival that the league could build upon.

But, FSU and Clemson led a group that refused to vote for them. The four NC schools, UVA, and, Maryland (IIRC), were all in their corner.

As I've said before, I am an optimist, and, I still hold out hope that they will get in. Maybe it is that optimistic side that believes the ACC bowed to pressure from FSU, Clemson, etc, to take Louisville this time around, in exchange for selecting UConn when/if the league goes to 16.

Its of little consolation to our hosts here, but, thats just my take.

 

[billybud]

Most of us Nole guys are OK with the trade of Louisville for Maryland...

Now, we Noles sure can't be academic elitists sniffing that Louisville has lower standards...we would have to leave that to our preppy brethren at UNC, Virginia, and Duke and others better situated to look down their noses and prattle about being southern Ivies.

I am OK with that prattle, by the way (if you also perform on the field). But people aren't watching games, and networks are not paying, because of a school's acceptance rate. If they were, Tulane would be king of the TV with their 26% acceptance rate.

The ACC is viewed nationally as a basketball conference with weak football underpinning. A strong basketball program is a nice addition...but strengthening football may be job 1.

Of course, Coach K and the Dookies didn't agree with that sentiment and many UNC folks didn't as well.

It has become clear that a basketball forward conference may be at a disadvantage. The perfect conference would have a strong football reputation and also have at least three basketball teams that can challenge for the NC in any particular year.

 

[billybud]

The dynamics will change, of course, if Miami comes back on line as a football giant and Virginia, UNC and VT up their game in football....if that happens, an addition of a premier basketball program would be a great get.

I am hopeful that Pitt and Louisville will do well on the gridiron....and, man, if Syracuse could get their football mojo back, the ACC would be flying higher.

This is a down year for ACC round ball....I hope that in future years we see Louisville, Cuse, Duke, UNC, and Virginia maintain in the rankings.