As Predicted By Anyone With A Brain, The ACC Is NOT Getting A TV Network

[itgoeslike]

WVU has played two full seasons in the BIG 12 for football. It was back in 2011 when A&M departed, and they began negotiating with the SEC as far back as early 2010. Its now 2014. These things happened several years ago, and as I stated many things have changed in the BIG 12 since that time. New commissioner, new tv contracts, Sugar Bowl, etc., etc. You want to ignore all this to pretend it has relevance to Texas or some stability of the present BIG 12 conference, it doesn't. Schools left, they are gone, and the conference adjusted and has moved on. You should do the same--2025 is a long ways off to continue to try and spin something that is never going to come about.

Texas A&M announced their departure in September 2011 and formally joined the SEC on July 1, 2012. Feel free to use your fingers and toes, but you'll see my time estimates are indeed accurate. There's really nothing to debate.

 

[SouthronCross]

I will tell you why that is. They have no place to go. No one has invited them anywhere. They know however that FSU is their lifeblood and if FSU leaves--and they may have options--then the league is gutted. That is why they were adamant the vote was needed--because they want to keep having FSU prop them up.

LOL...great God Almighty. You are a bigger troll than I ever imagined. This post right here shows that you do not have a clue about CR. None.

Just stop. You are embarassing yourself.

 

[SouthronCross]

Not what I said, you have twisted my words. I said that at the time schools in the ACC voted for an increase in their buyout, they did so because they didn't have an offer to go anywhere else, but knew if they lost FSU and perhaps others they would be in a precarious situation.

If they believed they had offers then no school would have voted for the increase in the buyout without thoroughly investigating the offer. Delaney hasn't offered other schools an invitation from the ACC other than Maryland.

Great God Almighty. You have no idea what you are talking about. None. FSU was not the only ACC school with offers to go elsewhere. At the very least, Clemson would have been asked to join FSU in the Big 12, as the Noles were not going to leave themselves out on an island, like WVU is.

If you'd actually followed CR, you would know that both UNC and UVA have had standing offers go to either the SEC, or the B1G, for years. Both Mike Slive and Jim Delany have spoken to both schools numerous times in the past decade, and, all it'd take is a phone call to either to make it happen. But, both decided to stick with the ACC, and, their historic rivals.

Other schools would obviously have options once the dominos began falling, but, to say that FSU was the only ACC team with a standing offer to go elsewhere is ridiculous.

 

[SouthronCross]

Delany only formally offers a school when he knows their answer is yes before hand. Do you honestly believe that The B1G has not used back channels to gauge the potential interest of schools like UT, UNC, UVA, and GT? If it was ever communicated by either UVA or UNC that they would like to join The B1G they would be in the B1G right now.

Please, stop using facts and logic. And, stop making sense. It disturbs buckaineer's anti-ACC narrative.

Is it not possible that these schools signed both the larger buy out and GOR to stabilize the ACC because they actually want to be in it? Hell I'm a B1G Fan and an East Coast resident so I would welcome just about any ACC Team into the B1G, however I don't want schools who's fan bases are almost universally against it. Other than maybe FSU or Clemson who would likely prefer The SEC, the balance of ACC Schools are in the conference that most appropriately suits them.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. You hit the nail right on the head.

 

[sdhusky]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. You hit the nail right on the head.

UNC needs to be in a conference where they can cheat and get away with it. Don't think their academic bs would fly in the BIG1 or SEC.

 

[Fishy]

UNC needs to be in a conference where they can cheat and get away with it. Don't think their academic bs would fly in the BIG1 or SEC.

You seem to be unfamiliar with the Big Ten and SEC.

 

[whaler11]

Let me get this right. This thread has devolved to the point where people are arguing that North Carolina can't write their own ticket to whatever conference they want?

Hell the Pac 12 might admit them without a 14th.

 

[buckaineer]

Great God Almighty. You have no idea what you are talking about. None. FSU was not the only ACC school with offers to go elsewhere. At the very least, Clemson would have been asked to join FSU in the Big 12, as the Noles were not going to leave themselves out on an island, like WVU is.

If you'd actually followed CR, you would know that both UNC and UVA have had standing offers go to either the SEC, or the B1G, for years. Both Mike Slive and Jim Delany have spoken to both schools numerous times in the past decade, and, all it'd take is a phone call to either to make it happen. But, both decided to stick with the ACC, and, their historic rivals.

Other schools would obviously have options once the dominos began falling, but, to say that FSU was the only ACC team with a standing offer to go elsewhere is ridiculous.

Talk about someone that has no idea what they are talking about.

You apparently live in the world of message boards--and then have the gall to insult people from WVU.

No ACC schools other than Maryland had or now have an offer to go anywhere. Schools can't join conferences because they want to.

No, FSU didn't have an offer to go anywhere, some of their leaders were interested in hearing what the BIG 12 could offer them, the BIG 12 never offered them anything.

There was never any indication from the BIG 12 that they would be interested in FSU, and certainly not that they'd be interested in Clemson. There were rumors on message boards and nothing more.

UNC and UVA have no standing offers from anywhere. Both the Big Ten and the SEC and also the BIG 12 require schools to approach them for membership. I seriously doubt either Mike Slive or Jim Delaney has spoken to anyone at these schools or others on expansion--that wouldn't happen until those schools were seriously considering switching conferences and had signed non disclosure agreements. Prior to that there are informal talks at a lower level.

What is ridiculous here is you continuing to misquote me and assign statements to me that I didn't make.

I said that ACC schools signed off on the increased buyout because at the time no one had offers to go anywhere, but they knew some schools were seriously considering moving such as FSU and Maryland and they didn't want them to go--especially FSU. FSU is obviously a school that would be attractive in multiple conferences, and they drive the financial bus for the ACC's tv deals. If the league loses them then the league will be in big trouble.

 

[buckaineer]

Texas A&M announced their departure in September 2011 and formally joined the SEC on July 1, 2012. Feel free to use your fingers and toes, but you'll see my time estimates are indeed accurate. There's really nothing to debate.

Oh, there is plenty to debate actually. The silly argument that because years ago Texas A & M left the BIG 12, the BIG 12 is now unstable and schools are going to defect? With no evidence whatsoever to support this ridiculous idea other than some of you saying so, or claiming that laarge masses of actual fans at BIG 12 schools want to go elsewhere when there is no evidence to support that?

Like I said, it will be difficult to keep up your act through 2025--and beyond. Wonder what your story will be when the BIG 12 renews its tv contracts for even more revenues over a decade from now?

 

[clmssun]

So, Buckaineer, would WVU like the Big XII to expand? If not, why not?

Why is the Big XII not expanding?

If the Big XII wouldn't/didn't seriously-discuss/informally-offer Notre Dame, FSU, Clemson, or Louisville -- and has no interest in UNC or UVa, either -- whom is/should be the Big XII targeting?

Do West Virginia and Texas Christian offer better demographics than Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, and Missouri? Do you think OU and KU prefer the "new Big XII" or the "old Big XII"?

 

[clmssun]

Oh, there is plenty to debate actually. The silly argument that because years ago Texas A & M left the BIG 12, the BIG 12 is now unstable and schools are going to defect? With no evidence whatsoever to support this ridiculous idea other than some of you saying so, or claiming that laarge masses of actual fans at BIG 12 schools want to go elsewhere when there is no evidence to support that?

Like I said, it will be difficult to keep up your act through 2025--and beyond. Wonder what your story will be when the BIG 12 renews its tv contracts for even more revenues over a decade from now?

It is not "large masses of Big XII schools" that want to go elsewhere, it is OU and KU (which may also include OSU and KSU) who would probably have great interest in conference alternatives (particularly KU/B1G). UTx will always look out for best interest, always ensure they have alternatives, and thus always have alternatives.

I totally agree that Baylor, TTU, TCU, ISU, and WVU are not conference shopping.

 

[buckaineer]

So, Buckaineer, would WVU like the Big XII to expand? If not, why not?

Why is the Big XII not expanding?

If the Big XII wouldn't/didn't seriously-discuss/informally-offer Notre Dame, FSU, Clemson, or Louisville -- and has no interest in UNC or UVa, either -- whom is/should be the Big XII targeting?

Do West Virginia and Texas Christian offer better demographics than Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, and Missouri? Do you think OU and KU prefer the "new Big XII" or the "old Big XII"?

I think that from comments Oliver Luck has made, WVU would like the BIG 12 to expand, but not sure who they would like to expand with. WVU is enjoying its position as the only BIG 12 school in the mid-atlantic/western PA/Ohio Valley corridor as its starting to reap good recruiting benefits.

The BIG 12 had discussions with Notre Dame, as the tv partners indicated early on a Notre Dame inclusion would bring greater than pro rata increases to the conferences. The talks never got to the point of an official invitation from all reports. Louisville obviously was never offered and therefore tried to send in a Senator to get that changed-which failed. FSU discussed openly wanting to talk with the BIG 12, but their then president who has since moved on was concerned about their ability to compete with Texas and slowed down any movement on that front. Clemson was never discussed by the BIG 12 from any news source I've seen. Some news sources stated that the BIG 12 had identified FSU, Clemson and UL as schools they would approach if the Big Ten and SEC grew beyond 14 schools each. I think that of course if UNC and UVA showed interest in the BIG 12 and sought inclusion, the conference would consider adding them. Right now, the BIG 12's membership has decided that expansion is not in their best interest as a whole--that it would not add anything the league doesn't already have and in fact could take away--most mentions are about the fact that in the past the BIG 12 had several higher ranked teams lose in a BIG 12 championship game, and some schools don't want a championship game again--preferring round robin. I don't see the league adding anyone anytime soon, and if they have success in the playoffs, not at all--unless the Big Ten and SEC expand further as the commissioner of the BIG 12 has stated.

I'm not sure what the question about demographics is about? I can't speak for what TCU offers demographically, but WVU has a far reach on that front. Parts of Ohio, a large part of PA, the Baltimore/DC corridor and of course all of WV have lots of media exposure for the school as well as alumni and fans--as do both Charlotte and Atlanta, where WVU does well in ratings. There are also many WV transplants in Florida. WVU has had some of the highest ever ratings for ESPN on a national scale for some platforms so obviously there is national interest in the schools athletics.
Still don't know what is the point of the question is though, the BIG 12 added schools that they felt shored up what they wanted to, and added increased exposure in areas they weren't as prevalent in-much like other conferences did.

As far as OU and KU, each schools leaders have expressed confidence in and continuing to improve the BIG 12 conference as it is today. As far as fanbases, most don't mention the conference changes at all from what I've seen on message boards, realignment doesn't seem of particular interest anywhere in the league. Most fans are quite happy with the round robin play and competing with new members WVU and TCU. Haven't really seen much if any pining to be playing schools like CU, A&M or Missouri. I have seen some fans expressing regret over Nebraska moving on. Overall though there seems to be a disinterest in realignment.

 

[buckaineer]

It is not "large masses of Big XII schools" that want to go elsewhere, it is OU and KU (which may also include OSU and KSU) who would probably have great interest in conference alternatives (particularly KU/B1G). UTx will always look out for best interest, always ensure they have alternatives, and thus always have alternatives.

I totally agree that Baylor, TTU, TCU, ISU, and WVU are not conference shopping.

OU and KU aren't showing any interest in moving to any other league. I've seen their boards as well, and I sure don't see many of their fans pining for other conferences.

The only reason schools change conferences is for the opportunity to make more revenues. Previously, the Big 12s revenues were lower than some leagues. That has changed dramatically. Nebraska in the Big Ten will be making less money than old BIG 12 compatriots for years to come.

No one in the BIG 12 is considering moving anywhere.

 

[specialisthusky]

I've never seen a more warped view of the big 12 than the one portrayed in this thread. Holy smokes.

 

[WestHartHusk]

OU and KU aren't showing any interest in moving to any other league. I've seen their boards as well, and I sure don't see many of their fans pining for other conferences.

The only reason schools change conferences is for the opportunity to make more revenues. Previously, the Big 12s revenues were lower than some leagues. That has changed dramatically. Nebraska in the Big Ten will be making less money than old BIG 12 compatriots for years to come.

No one in the BIG 12 is considering moving anywhere.

You really have your head in the sand if you don't think a lot of OU and KU fans want out. The OU board is all but begging to get out and KU very recently was close enough to being left out of the P5 that they had to think about joining the Big East. You don't forget that.

 

[buckaineer]

I've never seen a more warped view of the big 12 than the one portrayed in this thread. Holy smokes.

You are right, all the posters here making up fantasies about the BIG 12 being doomed and schools wanting out of the conference--all in a thread about the ACC getting its network--which doesn't pay them anything extra--it is an extremely warped view of the BIG 12, I agree.

 

[buckaineer]

You really have your head in the sand if you don't think a lot of OU and KU fans want out. The OU board is all but begging to get out and KU very recently was close enough to being left out of the P5 that they had to think about joining the Big East. You don't forget that.

What OU board is all but begging to get out? Looking at the Oklahoma Scout board--no mention of realignment. Looking at Oklahoma rivals? Again no realignment thought. Look at landtheives and there is one thread about realignment with posters from all over the country and various different conferences. If you are taking that one thread as speaking for the Oklahoma Sooners fanbase when most of the posters there aren't even OU fans then you are delusional. As for KU, it was several years ago that some schools were leaving or considering leaving the BIG 12. You may have missed it, but Texas and Oklahoma didn't leave. They stayed and have since been at the forefront of rebuilding and strengthening the conference. Kansas considered options back at that time, and have moved on from that time, continuing to build and strengthen the BIG 12 conference.

You have your head in fantasyland if you actually believe that Oklahoma, Kansas, or any other school in the BIG 12 is considering going anywhere.

 

[clmssun]

You are right, all the posters here making up fantasies about the BIG 12 being doomed and schools wanting out of the conference--all in a thread about the ACC getting its network--which doesn't pay them anything extra--it is an extremely warped view of the BIG 12, I agree.

The thread was started by someone misconstruing (on the basis of misunderstandings conveyed by BC and SU bloggers) that the new WatchESPN folder filters equate to new, no-equity networks.

It is not a truthful, logical, factual statement that this new WatchESPN interface serves as, or precludes the existence of, a network. When ACC officials make such declaration, then it will be truthful, logical, and factual. Please cite such a statement if it has been made.

I will wait for you to cite that statement from ACC officials; in the meantime, read this:
http://allsportsdiscussion.com/2014...fect-the-possibility-of-an-acc-cable-network/

 

[WestHartHusk]

First, your league has already hemorraghed teams lately and replaced Missouri, A&M, Nebraska and Colorado with TCU & WVU - that is not stable. And second, just because UT and OK are currenlty in the league, don't think the other schools aren't acutely aware that their futures are subject to the whims of those two universities. And third, the conference has exposure in three states: Texas, Oklahoma and Iowa - that is is. That is terrible exposure for schools want to market themselves, not just athletically, to a broader swath of the country.

But what do I know, I am just a fan of a Big East school who has never seen instability up close and personal.

 

[SouthronCross]

Talk about someone that has no idea what they are talking about.

You apparently live in the world of message boards--and then have the gall to insult people from WVU.

Nope, I have a firm grip on reality, and, I also know folks who for certain know more about this topic than you or I do. My information comes straight from members of the Rams Club (UNC boosters). I am pretty sure that they would know infinitely more about UNC's situation and options going forward than you would. I guarantee it.

I did not insult folks from WV. I said WV had left itself out an island. That opinion is not just held by me.

A bit thin-skinned, aren't you?

No ACC schools other than Maryland had or now have an offer to go anywhere. Schools can't join conferences because they want to.

Initial offers are not made publically, dude. University and conference leaders have to show extremely high levels of tact and discretion where those situations were concerned. By the time the general public know whats going on, the deal is done. Just like it was with Maryland.

If you honestly believe that UNC-UVA could not join either of those leagues tomorrow by making a simple phone call, them theres nothing I can tell you.

No, FSU didn't have an offer to go anywhere, some of their leaders were interested in hearing what the BIG 12 could offer them, the BIG 12 never offered them anything.

There was never any indication from the BIG 12 that they would be interested in FSU, and certainly not that they'd be interested in Clemson. There were rumors on message boards and nothing more.

I stand corrected here. You are absolutely right. FSU never had an actual offer. There was some general communications between the two, but, that was as far as it went.

UNC and UVA have no standing offers from anywhere. Both the Big Ten and the SEC and also the BIG 12 require schools to approach them for membership. I seriously doubt either Mike Slive or Jim Delaney has spoken to anyone at these schools or others on expansion--that wouldn't happen until those schools were seriously considering switching conferences and had signed non disclosure agreements. Prior to that there are informal talks at a lower level.

Again, people in the know at Carolina say a whole lot different. I'll take their word for it over yours anyday.

What is ridiculous here is you continuing to misquote me and assign statements to me that I didn't make.

Exactly where did I misquote you, or, assign statements to you? Do you mean the 'anti-ACC narrative' comment?

I said that ACC schools signed off on the increased buyout because at the time no one had offers to go anywhere, but they knew some schools were seriously considering moving such as FSU and Maryland and they didn't want them to go--especially FSU.

And, that POV is incorrect.

I am obviously wasting my time discussing this with you. If you truly believe that nobody in the ACC had offers to go elsewhere when the GOR was signed, well, go right ahead.

FSU is obviously a school that would be attractive in multiple conferences, and they drive the financial bus for the ACC's tv deals. If the league loses them then the league will be in big trouble.

On this, we can agree. Especially with football being the breadwinner.

 

[btstimpy]

There is a town just east of Hartford that still has some rattlesnakes. When I lived there I spent about 11% of my time on high alert watching for them.

I let someone talk me into biking in the woods and damned if there wasn't a 2 foot long rattler coiled in the middle of the damn trail.

While I hightailed it, the psycho I was with got closer to take pictures.

When you see a handle *eer don't engage. Just back away quickly and be on your way. They will head back to their outcrop soon enough.

Whaler11, your rattlesnake has fascinated several more posters. It's craziness.

 

[bingethinker]

LOL...great God Almighty. You are a bigger troll than I ever imagined. This post right here shows that you do not have a clue about CR. None.

Just stop. You are embarassing yourself.

He's having a good time at our expense at this point. Lol

 

[itgoeslike]

Oh, there is plenty to debate actually. The silly argument that because years ago Texas A & M left the BIG 12, the BIG 12 is now unstable and schools are going to defect? With no evidence whatsoever to support this ridiculous idea other than some of you saying so, or claiming that laarge masses of actual fans at BIG 12 schools want to go elsewhere when there is no evidence to support that?

Like I said, it will be difficult to keep up your act through 2025--and beyond. Wonder what your story will be when the BIG 12 renews its tv contracts for even more revenues over a decade from now?

A&M left 20 months ago, not years ago. Where there's smoke (and we know there was) there's eventually fire (or at the very least something smoldering in the background). Every time you make a reasonable point you undo it with gross exaggerations and inaccuracies. Every time you describe crazy, biased posters making wild unsubstantiated claims, most readers are thinking "Hey, he's describing himself."

Lastly, I am a UConn fan (there's still a few of us left on this thread), we don't have until 2025. . .

 

[buckaineer]

The thread was started by someone misconstruing (on the basis of misunderstandings conveyed by BC and SU bloggers) that the new WatchESPN folder filters equate to new, no-equity networks.

It is not a truthful, logical, factual statement that this new WatchESPN interface serves as, or precludes the existence of, a network. When ACC officials make such declaration, then it will be truthful, logical, and factual. Please cite such a statement if it has been made.

I will wait for you to cite that statement from ACC officials; in the meantime, read this:
http://allsportsdiscussion.com/2014...fect-the-possibility-of-an-acc-cable-network/

To the contrary, there is 0 evidence that this ACC network isn't all that will become of the often predicted ACC network. It speaks volumes that the conference hasn't so much as mentioned it when virtually everything that happens is officially announced by that conference. The ACC writers at Syracuse and Boston College were right to do so. It is a concern for the league their schools are in.

It is absolutely truthful, logical, factual that they see this as an ACC network created by ESPN that may in fact preclude the conference from getting anything else. You claim it isn't, but present 0 evidence to back up this claim.

 

[buckaineer]

First, your league has already hemorraghed teams lately and replaced Missouri, A&M, Nebraska and Colorado with TCU & WVU - that is not stable. And second, just because UT and OK are currenlty in the league, don't think the other schools aren't acutely aware that their futures are subject to the whims of those two universities. And third, the conference has exposure in three states: Texas, Oklahoma and Iowa - that is is. That is terrible exposure for schools want to market themselves, not just athletically, to a broader swath of the country.

But what do I know, I am just a fan of a Big East school who has never seen instability up close and personal.

The BIG 12 is as stable a league as there is. TCU and WVU were solid additions to the league and continue to be so, despite your jealousy.

UT and OU are not only currently in the BIG 12, they will continue to be in the BIG 12 by their choice long into the future. To suggest otherwise is pure fantasy based on nothing. Its a ridiculous argument really. Pretending that UT and OU are somehow "different" towards the BIG 12 than Ohio State and Michigan in the B1G, Alabama and LSU in the SEC, USC and Oregon in the Pac 12 or FSU in the ACC. One of the most ridiculous ideas ever that for some reason is continuously repeated by those with 0 knowledge of those schools or the BIG 12 conference. In the BIG 12 all schools have an equal vote, and all schools participate in the decision making process for the league.

As far as exposure the BIG 12 is a national league with national exposure across the country on the two top major college athletic networks. The conferences markets spread from southern Texas all the way through Iowa, and from the Ohio valley through western PA, down through West Virginia and into the Baltimore/DC corridor. The conference is seen coast to coast and internationally on both its tv partners and via tier three exposure as well.

You for some reason have a misguided hatred of the BIG 12 and WVU which seems to be a problem you need to seek help for--your thoughts about the schools and conference aren't based in reality.